Done Better than Expected - That will be £1.7bn then - WTF!
Discussion
Four Litre said:
Done better than expected "f
k you pay me!" - That will be 1.7 Billion then and you've got one month to pay.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...
If he caves on this one - he really is a fking moron. So we say 'No deal' whats can they really do about it??
The EU is simply finishing the job that Adolf couldn't.k you pay me!" - That will be 1.7 Billion then and you've got one month to pay.http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...
If he caves on this one - he really is a f
king moron. So we say 'No deal' whats can they really do about it??Edited by Four Litre on Thursday 23 October 23:11
The quicker we tell them to poke it the better.
Shame we didn't "recalculate" in 2011
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/may/13/uk...
My grandfather told me never to trust the French. He fought against the Germans but respected them, but not the French
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis...
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2011/may/13/uk...
My grandfather told me never to trust the French. He fought against the Germans but respected them, but not the French
So yes we may pay £10billion to be a member of the EU - but 50% of our exports are with the EU.
The question is if we were not part of the EU how much would our trade drop by AND how much would it cost to trade there -- is the net net to our advantage or not?
What other areas does it impact?
1. Nissan, Honda JLR etc have based themselves in the UK because we are part of the EU take that away watch their. Investment drop and potentially pull out
Replicate that for other companies
2. Financial powerhouse globally - why are they here? history yes, access to EU yes, UK at the top table key with USA China Japan etc.
The biggest issue the UK has is that no one tells the public what the benefits are - its just like the Scottish vote we had to educate them what the benefits of the Union is currently and what its becoming in the future. We all need the same for the EU.
End of the day its a trading partner we benefit by this as we the EU are in high competition with India China Brazil etc its to all of our benefits to be there.
The question is if we were not part of the EU how much would our trade drop by AND how much would it cost to trade there -- is the net net to our advantage or not?
What other areas does it impact?
1. Nissan, Honda JLR etc have based themselves in the UK because we are part of the EU take that away watch their. Investment drop and potentially pull out
Replicate that for other companies
2. Financial powerhouse globally - why are they here? history yes, access to EU yes, UK at the top table key with USA China Japan etc.
The biggest issue the UK has is that no one tells the public what the benefits are - its just like the Scottish vote we had to educate them what the benefits of the Union is currently and what its becoming in the future. We all need the same for the EU.
End of the day its a trading partner we benefit by this as we the EU are in high competition with India China Brazil etc its to all of our benefits to be there.
Welshbeef said:
1. Nissan, Honda JLR etc have based themselves in the UK because we are part of the EU take that away watch their. Investment drop and potentially pull out
1) I think you'll find that Jaguar and Land Rover were here before the EU existed 2) I don't see anywhere near as many Hondas and Nissans on the continent as in the UK. Mainly French and German metal
Nothing looks as dodgy as the 2nd and 3rd most well off states charging the one that's doing the best right now a nice big tax bill. Can't imagine any of the small states are best please, if there's money going round wouldn't it be better to pay it to the states that need it? Does Germany need extra money? Me thinks not.
Camoradi said:
1) I think you'll find that Jaguar and Land Rover were here before the EU existed
2) I don't see anywhere near as many Hondas and Nissans on the continent as in the UK. Mainly French and German metal
They were but they have continued to invest in new production lines here - and also they are now in China with the Evoque production line. 2) I don't see anywhere near as many Hondas and Nissans on the continent as in the UK. Mainly French and German metal
French people and German people and actually Spanish and Italian do seem to be very nationalistic on their vehicle purchases. But the fact is if they were outside the EU the trade treaties they would have to circumnavigate would be tricky/costs.
Welshbeef said:
So yes we may pay £10billion to be a member of the EU - but 50% of our exports are with the EU.
The question is if we were not part of the EU how much would our trade drop by AND how much would it cost to trade there -- is the net net to our advantage or not?
What other areas does it impact?
1. Nissan, Honda JLR etc have based themselves in the UK because we are part of the EU take that away watch their. Investment drop and potentially pull out
Replicate that for other companies
2. Financial powerhouse globally - why are they here? history yes, access to EU yes, UK at the top table key with USA China Japan etc.
The biggest issue the UK has is that no one tells the public what the benefits are - its just like the Scottish vote we had to educate them what the benefits of the Union is currently and what its becoming in the future. We all need the same for the EU.
End of the day its a trading partner we benefit by this as we the EU are in high competition with India China Brazil etc its to all of our benefits to be there.
If we leave and the EU decides so stop importing UK goods, then the UK can stop importing EU goods and source them elsewhere.The question is if we were not part of the EU how much would our trade drop by AND how much would it cost to trade there -- is the net net to our advantage or not?
What other areas does it impact?
1. Nissan, Honda JLR etc have based themselves in the UK because we are part of the EU take that away watch their. Investment drop and potentially pull out
Replicate that for other companies
2. Financial powerhouse globally - why are they here? history yes, access to EU yes, UK at the top table key with USA China Japan etc.
The biggest issue the UK has is that no one tells the public what the benefits are - its just like the Scottish vote we had to educate them what the benefits of the Union is currently and what its becoming in the future. We all need the same for the EU.
End of the day its a trading partner we benefit by this as we the EU are in high competition with India China Brazil etc its to all of our benefits to be there.
UK imports far more from the EU than it exports there.
EU would be shooting itself in the foot for doing something that stupid and we gain as we are then allowed to import cheap goods from the rest of the world...
Take Sugar cane for example... EU puts 100% levy on it at the moment and thus our sugar refinery business has gone to pot... Reason given by the EU... we should be using EU sugar beet first and sugar cane second... Matters not one f
king bit that the sugar refineries in the UK could take the collective production of the EU Sugar beet several times over and still not have enough to refine.Pesty said:
tin foil time.
EU demands 1.7 billion.
Cameron acts tough gets them to withdraw the request.
makes big deal about it, you See we are not run by the EU no need to vote Yes to leaving EU.
Cameron and his EU buddies laugh it up and slap each other on the back.
My take on tin foil time; EU knows that the Tories will loose more votes than labour to UKIP at the next GE. EU doesn't want the Tories in because they may give us a referendum on membership whereas Labour will bend over even further than DC for them. Come up with a last minute huge great bloody tax bill to pEU demands 1.7 billion.
Cameron acts tough gets them to withdraw the request.
makes big deal about it, you See we are not run by the EU no need to vote Yes to leaving EU.
Cameron and his EU buddies laugh it up and slap each other on the back.
s off the electorate so we all vote UKIP (apart from the die hard labour core) and Bob's yer wotsit; EU get their way 
Du1point8 said:
If we leave and the EU decides so stop importing UK goods, then the UK can stop importing EU goods and source them elsewhere.
UK imports far more from the EU than it exports there.
EU would be shooting itself in the foot for doing something that stupid and we gain as we are then allowed to import cheap goods from the rest of the world...
Take Sugar cane for example... EU puts 100% levy on it at the moment and thus our sugar refinery business has gone to pot... Reason given by the EU... we should be using EU sugar beet first and sugar cane second... Matters not one fking bit that the sugar refineries in the UK could take the collective production of the EU Sugar beet several times over and still not have enough to refine.
The first line of your post - can you advise just what you would tell all the companies and the then unemployed people what you would do to find them new places to sell?UK imports far more from the EU than it exports there.
EU would be shooting itself in the foot for doing something that stupid and we gain as we are then allowed to import cheap goods from the rest of the world...
Take Sugar cane for example... EU puts 100% levy on it at the moment and thus our sugar refinery business has gone to pot... Reason given by the EU... we should be using EU sugar beet first and sugar cane second... Matters not one f
king bit that the sugar refineries in the UK could take the collective production of the EU Sugar beet several times over and still not have enough to refine.Its not easy to replicate EU sales elsewhere in the world overnight- infact some produce may not have any demand outside of the EU.
The EU is not far off 800 million people the UK is 63M. If they lost the UK it would be a small bump in the road just like Scotland leaving the UK would have been.
UK people are just not told the facts about the EU and its benefits - or rather what being outside would mean. If you respond by saying well you could trade elsewhere sure you could but you can do that by being in the EU too.
Lastly if UK leaves the EU Scotland will leave the UK and would stop buying stuff UK makes.
Let's swim against the tide....
Don't worry - Dave has interrupted a meeting in Brussels and has demanded an emergency meeting of EU finance ministers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29754168
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-29754168
Welshbeef said:
They were but they have continued to invest in new production lines here - and also they are now in China with the Evoque production line.
Absolutely, but JLR have far wider reach than the EU in exports. From JLR website. Second paragraph is the key to their strategy
"Exports account for 80% of all vehicles Jaguar Land Rover produces at its three UK manufacturing plants. In 2013, the company sold 425,006 vehicles, up 19% on the previous year. Jaguar Land Rover's largest export regions are mainland Europe, North America and China, together accounting for 60% of all export sales.
In addition, the company's share of vehicle sales in regions beyond its traditional major markets in the UK, US and Europe has increased from below 15% in 2008 to more than 40% now, as it has focused on driving a balanced global sales presence."
The EU is becoming less important to them every year
Welshbeef said:
The first line of your post - can you advise just what you would tell all the companies and the then unemployed people what you would do to find them new places to sell?
Its not easy to replicate EU sales elsewhere in the world overnight- infact some produce may not have any demand outside of the EU.
The EU is not far off 800 million people the UK is 63M. If they lost the UK it would be a small bump in the road just like Scotland leaving the UK would have been.
UK people are just not told the facts about the EU and its benefits - or rather what being outside would mean. If you respond by saying well you could trade elsewhere sure you could but you can do that by being in the EU too.
Lastly if UK leaves the EU Scotland will leave the UK and would stop buying stuff UK makes.
Let's swim against the tide....
This. There's been a constant stream of misinformation concerning the EU for the last 20 years, but very little promoting the benefits. I feel that this issue is similar to the Scottish Referendum, i.e. it's very easy to argue the emotional case for leaving, but the benefits are actually rather dry and boring.Its not easy to replicate EU sales elsewhere in the world overnight- infact some produce may not have any demand outside of the EU.
The EU is not far off 800 million people the UK is 63M. If they lost the UK it would be a small bump in the road just like Scotland leaving the UK would have been.
UK people are just not told the facts about the EU and its benefits - or rather what being outside would mean. If you respond by saying well you could trade elsewhere sure you could but you can do that by being in the EU too.
Lastly if UK leaves the EU Scotland will leave the UK and would stop buying stuff UK makes.
Let's swim against the tide....
Do people really think that there is a huge untapped global market that we are not exporting to? if so, why are busineses not already exporting their goods and services there now? I suggest it's because they are already trying and finding it incredibly difficult. Put simply, if we backed out of the EU, then certainly it would make trading with the EU more difficult, and the loss of trade wouldn't be replaced by trading to to other countries and regions overnight. Add to that, that some global companies would move some or all of their business from the UK into the EU, and you could quite quickly see an impact to the UK economy.
The EU is certainly not perfect, but anyone who thinks that it will be a land of milk and honey as an independant nation will get a suprise.
I have been predicting the UK leaving the EU membership for some time in various blogs. IMO the EU is in fact steadlily becoming less and less credible as a club to which the UK need to belong and virtually every week more and more examples of the economic nonsense that the EU has become are arising currently.
The Boys club that run British politics currently seem to have no real understanding of the extent of the doubts and concerns that many of the UK electorate now have in being locked unwillingly insidethe EU. The beginnings of the landslide change that is coming towards the UK politically with the rise of UKIP and collective fall of support for the Conservatives, Liberals and Labour parties within the UK is about to demonstrate how wrong the current politicians have been in ignoring this fact at their peril.
The EU is failing miserably at correcting any of the lunatic policies of Hollande etc which are ruining France. We need to protect ourselves against the consequences of the collapse of the EU because the whole rotten edificace is visibly crumbling. Best out whist we can the failing stares therein will be looking for a subsidy from someone, anyone. Not us!
The Boys club that run British politics currently seem to have no real understanding of the extent of the doubts and concerns that many of the UK electorate now have in being locked unwillingly insidethe EU. The beginnings of the landslide change that is coming towards the UK politically with the rise of UKIP and collective fall of support for the Conservatives, Liberals and Labour parties within the UK is about to demonstrate how wrong the current politicians have been in ignoring this fact at their peril.
The EU is failing miserably at correcting any of the lunatic policies of Hollande etc which are ruining France. We need to protect ourselves against the consequences of the collapse of the EU because the whole rotten edificace is visibly crumbling. Best out whist we can the failing stares therein will be looking for a subsidy from someone, anyone. Not us!
Welshbeef said:
So yes we may pay £10billion to be a member of the EU - but 50% of our exports are with the EU.
The question is if we were not part of the EU how much would our trade drop by AND how much would it cost to trade there -- is the net net to our advantage or not?
What other areas does it impact?
1. Nissan, Honda JLR etc have based themselves in the UK because we are part of the EU take that away watch their. Investment drop and potentially pull out
Replicate that for other companies
2. Financial powerhouse globally - why are they here? history yes, access to EU yes, UK at the top table key with USA China Japan etc.
The biggest issue the UK has is that no one tells the public what the benefits are - its just like the Scottish vote we had to educate them what the benefits of the Union is currently and what its becoming in the future. We all need the same for the EU.
End of the day its a trading partner we benefit by this as we the EU are in high competition with India China Brazil etc its to all of our benefits to be there.
You have fallen for it, hook line and sinker haven't you? There are plenty of countries around the world, trading quite successfully both within and without the EU, without being a member of this broken, inadequate uncontrolled and out of control bunch of basket cases.The question is if we were not part of the EU how much would our trade drop by AND how much would it cost to trade there -- is the net net to our advantage or not?
What other areas does it impact?
1. Nissan, Honda JLR etc have based themselves in the UK because we are part of the EU take that away watch their. Investment drop and potentially pull out
Replicate that for other companies
2. Financial powerhouse globally - why are they here? history yes, access to EU yes, UK at the top table key with USA China Japan etc.
The biggest issue the UK has is that no one tells the public what the benefits are - its just like the Scottish vote we had to educate them what the benefits of the Union is currently and what its becoming in the future. We all need the same for the EU.
End of the day its a trading partner we benefit by this as we the EU are in high competition with India China Brazil etc its to all of our benefits to be there.
A trading block is fine, what the EU has become an insane farce.
If it takes us leaving and a few years of regrouping, it would be a price worth paying for the halting of this madness. There is little doubt that the UK leaving would lead to others and what would be left would be too much for Germany to carry.
They'd be asking us to rejoin the reformed European Trading Block long before we would need to ask.
Welshbeef said:
Du1point8 said:
If we leave and the EU decides so stop importing UK goods, then the UK can stop importing EU goods and source them elsewhere.
UK imports far more from the EU than it exports there.
EU would be shooting itself in the foot for doing something that stupid and we gain as we are then allowed to import cheap goods from the rest of the world...
Take Sugar cane for example... EU puts 100% levy on it at the moment and thus our sugar refinery business has gone to pot... Reason given by the EU... we should be using EU sugar beet first and sugar cane second... Matters not one fking bit that the sugar refineries in the UK could take the collective production of the EU Sugar beet several times over and still not have enough to refine.
The first line of your post - can you advise just what you would tell all the companies and the then unemployed people what you would do to find them new places to sell?UK imports far more from the EU than it exports there.
EU would be shooting itself in the foot for doing something that stupid and we gain as we are then allowed to import cheap goods from the rest of the world...
Take Sugar cane for example... EU puts 100% levy on it at the moment and thus our sugar refinery business has gone to pot... Reason given by the EU... we should be using EU sugar beet first and sugar cane second... Matters not one f
king bit that the sugar refineries in the UK could take the collective production of the EU Sugar beet several times over and still not have enough to refine.Its not easy to replicate EU sales elsewhere in the world overnight- infact some produce may not have any demand outside of the EU.
The EU is not far off 800 million people the UK is 63M. If they lost the UK it would be a small bump in the road just like Scotland leaving the UK would have been.
UK people are just not told the facts about the EU and its benefits - or rather what being outside would mean. If you respond by saying well you could trade elsewhere sure you could but you can do that by being in the EU too.
Lastly if UK leaves the EU Scotland will leave the UK and would stop buying stuff UK makes.
Let's swim against the tide....
I do think there is a divergence of long term goals between the UK and most of the EU.
I can't get my head around whether we're better to be on the EU bus, or on the outside looking in, however.
I'm sure this issue is all rather technical (in terms of the bill for extra contributions) but one can't help feeling that the UK is very much the thorn in the side of the aim of political, economic and monetary convergence.
The EU can't be a truly free market with a few different currencies, for example.
Do the other members want us out?
After a long Scottish referendum campaign I'm very much politically weary these days and have trouble enthusing myself to get informed about this next debate
I can't get my head around whether we're better to be on the EU bus, or on the outside looking in, however.
I'm sure this issue is all rather technical (in terms of the bill for extra contributions) but one can't help feeling that the UK is very much the thorn in the side of the aim of political, economic and monetary convergence.
The EU can't be a truly free market with a few different currencies, for example.
Do the other members want us out?
After a long Scottish referendum campaign I'm very much politically weary these days and have trouble enthusing myself to get informed about this next debate
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