Done Better than Expected - That will be £1.7bn then - WTF!

[Jasandjules]

So, we are reducing police officers, nurses and payments to disabled people BUT we can pay this sum? Really?

[Esseesse]

REALIST123 said:

They'd be asking us to rejoin the reformed European Trading Block long before we would need to ask.

Think we might think twice about that the second time round! Trade agreements with individual countries only please.

[Du1point8]

wolves_wanderer said:

Welshbeef said:

Du1point8 said:

If we leave and the EU decides so stop importing UK goods, then the UK can stop importing EU goods and source them elsewhere.

UK imports far more from the EU than it exports there.

EU would be shooting itself in the foot for doing something that stupid and we gain as we are then allowed to import cheap goods from the rest of the world...

Take Sugar cane for example... EU puts 100% levy on it at the moment and thus our sugar refinery business has gone to pot... Reason given by the EU... we should be using EU sugar beet first and sugar cane second... Matters not one fking bit that the sugar refineries in the UK could take the collective production of the EU Sugar beet several times over and still not have enough to refine.

The first line of your post - can you advise just what you would tell all the companies and the then unemployed people what you would do to find them new places to sell?



Its not easy to replicate EU sales elsewhere in the world overnight- infact some produce may not have any demand outside of the EU.



The EU is not far off 800 million people the UK is 63M. If they lost the UK it would be a small bump in the road just like Scotland leaving the UK would have been.


UK people are just not told the facts about the EU and its benefits - or rather what being outside would mean. If you respond by saying well you could trade elsewhere sure you could but you can do that by being in the EU too.

Lastly if UK leaves the EU Scotland will leave the UK and would stop buying stuff UK makes.





Let's swim against the tide....

The arguments you are making sound identical to the ones being made before the Euro was set up...

This is the weird point... the EU has done a bloody good job of putting enough levies out there making importing certain goods not viable as they want you to use the EU instead, this doesn't seem legal at all that one country can't import from outside of the EU as the goods they want have 100% tax on it, even though they are better quality and cheaper (before levy tax) than those locally.

Do I remember rightly that the EU frowns upon the UK trying to keep tenders in the UK only for british companies, the EU said it was illegal and it was unfair that the UK should do that, thus should open the process to all the EU to apply, would then often complain when the cheapest bid didn't get it as it looks biased that the UK was choosing a British company?

[Esseesse]

simoid said:

The EU can't be a truly free market with a few different currencies, for example.

Longer term IIRC we're expected to get the Euro. So fear not if Labour get in in 2015 and we miss out on Dave's planned sham referendum, the EU debate will continue to rumble on with increasing likeliness of an exit.

[Art0ir]

scorp said:

Insightful, thanks. So if I read it correctly, Germany pays about 3x more than the UK and has done so for the past decade. France paid more too.

Are you looking at NET contributions? France receives massive rebates.

[steveT350C]

the extra £1.7bn per year could pay for 60,000 nurses, including pensions, Hannan has just tweeted.

[bodhi]

Forgive my ignorance as I'm really not an expert in these areas, but wouldn't the way forwards to remain in the European Free Trade Area, but leave the EU, putting us in a similar situation to Norway and Switzerland? Neither country seem to have any issues trading with countries within the EU, yet don't have to listen to the bureaucratic nonsense coming out of Brussels, and don't need to pay for it either?

And is it a coincidence that they are the two European nations in the best state, financially speaking?

[SunsetZed]

bodhi said:

Forgive my ignorance as I'm really not an expert in these areas, but wouldn't the way forwards to remain in the European Free Trade Area, but leave the EU, putting us in a similar situation to Norway and Switzerland? Neither country seem to have any issues trading with countries within the EU, yet don't have to listen to the bureaucratic nonsense coming out of Brussels, and don't need to pay for it either?

And is it a coincidence that they are the two European nations in the best state, financially speaking?

This reflects my thinking too!

[Du1point8]

bodhi said:

Forgive my ignorance as I'm really not an expert in these areas, but wouldn't the way forwards to remain in the European Free Trade Area, but leave the EU, putting us in a similar situation to Norway and Switzerland? Neither country seem to have any issues trading with countries within the EU, yet don't have to listen to the bureaucratic nonsense coming out of Brussels, and don't need to pay for it either?

And is it a coincidence that they are the two European nations in the best state, financially speaking?

Norway has a tiny population and a lot of assets they are sitting on.

Plus they are very very savvy with their money and don't fk about, so save for a rainy day...

unlike the shower of ste that is labour who didn't save for a rainy day, but got platinum umbrellas instead on the never never... then blame the current government for all the toxic crap they left them, saying the current government can't balance crap.

Even now the skeletons are still falling out of the Labour wardrobe and they just deny it and say they will do better next time.

[simoid]

Esseesse said:

simoid said:

The EU can't be a truly free market with a few different currencies, for example.

Longer term IIRC we're expected to get the Euro. So fear not if Labour get in in 2015 and we miss out on Dave's planned sham referendum, the EU debate will continue to rumble on with increasing likeliness of an exit.

Not correct I don't think - we have a formal 'opt out' on the single currency. Other countries just (make sure) they don't meet the criteria.

That said, however, the idea of the EU is to move towards economic and monetary unity. The UK's membership terms basically contradicts this.

One reason the Eurozone is troubled is because there isn't enough cohesion politically and economically.

It's a great theoretical idea, in an economics textbook. In practice, is there enough of a common goal to succeed? A European equivalent to the "American dream" if you like?

Certainly not for the whole of the EU. I get the feeling it's different on the continent where borders are much more of an artificial and temporary construct, however.

[XJ Flyer]

Zyp said:

Who was it who agreed to the T & C's?

It was the Cons took us into the scam not Labour.Unfortunately the pro EU side of the Labour Party then supported them as usual.

[scubadude]

£10billion, ouch.

How much sh*t do we each have to donate to leave a £10billion worth burning bag of poo on Europe's doorstep before we ring the bell and run off? :-)

I'm all for having trade partners but the buy-in is starting to look like p*ss taking, for that price we could join the USA as a state (since we essentially are already)

[XJ Flyer]

Mannginger said:

Pissed me off royally reading this this morning. Anything other than a flat "Bugger off" from Cameron will essentially guarantee a Labour victory in the next election as more people switch to UKIP. Who knows...I may well be one of them!

The Labour victory being guaranteed by Con voters who prefer Labour's pro EU pro immigration agenda than Farage's.

[arp1]

Oh the hypocracy of it all, Scotland wanted out of a union due to unfair dealings as now 'U.K.' Want out due to unfair dealings... Hmmm

[Flipatron]

With a national dept of 1336 billion what's another 2 billion on top?

Simply brings the UK a few days closer to financial meltdown.

http://www.debtbombshell.com/

[Hooli]

SunsetZed said:

bodhi said:

Forgive my ignorance as I'm really not an expert in these areas, but wouldn't the way forwards to remain in the European Free Trade Area, but leave the EU, putting us in a similar situation to Norway and Switzerland? Neither country seem to have any issues trading with countries within the EU, yet don't have to listen to the bureaucratic nonsense coming out of Brussels, and don't need to pay for it either?

And is it a coincidence that they are the two European nations in the best state, financially speaking?

This reflects my thinking too!

Reflects what most people I know think too.

[simoid]

arp1 said:

Oh the hypocracy of it all, Scotland wanted out of a union due to unfair dealings as now 'U.K.' Want out due to unfair dealings... Hmmm

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.

Scotland chose to stay in the UK. Scotland never wanted "out" of the UK. There was a referendum and Scotland chose to stay in the UK.

Take your trolling elsewhere.

[XJ Flyer]

Welshbeef said:

Camoradi said:

1) I think you'll find that Jaguar and Land Rover were here before the EU existed

2) I don't see anywhere near as many Hondas and Nissans on the continent as in the UK. Mainly French and German metal

They were but they have continued to invest in new production lines here - and also they are now in China with the Evoque production line.

French people and German people and actually Spanish and Italian do seem to be very nationalistic on their vehicle purchases. But the fact is if they were outside the EU the trade treaties they would have to circumnavigate would be tricky/costs.

The fact is we've been in a trade deficit situation with Europe since we joined it.They have everything to lose in a trade war situation with us.As it stands our EU membership is just a scam in which we are blackmailed and pay for the privilege of being in a trade deficit situation.

[simoid]

Hooli said:

SunsetZed said:

bodhi said:

Forgive my ignorance as I'm really not an expert in these areas, but wouldn't the way forwards to remain in the European Free Trade Area, but leave the EU, putting us in a similar situation to Norway and Switzerland? Neither country seem to have any issues trading with countries within the EU, yet don't have to listen to the bureaucratic nonsense coming out of Brussels, and don't need to pay for it either?

And is it a coincidence that they are the two European nations in the best state, financially speaking?

This reflects my thinking too!

Reflects what most people I know think too.

On the coincidence front, I would guess it is, yes.

The Scandinavian countries are richer, and if Norway is noticeably better off than it's next door neighbour in Sweden then it's probably because of oil.

[johnxjsc1985]

what a moment for Dave to show how big his bks are.If we are still running a deficit where do they think this money will come from.
Where's Maggie when you need her.