scotland to reduce Drink Drive limit

scotland to reduce Drink Drive limit

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sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Edinburger said:
That's your view. To me, drinking at those levels and just those levels is pointless. I'd rather not drink than just drink one pint. And then hope that the barman poured me a pint of Carlsberg and not a Brewdog Tactical Nuclear Penguin by mistake!
But your personal opinion has nothing to do with the risk or the facts!

PorkInsider

5,877 posts

140 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Edinburger said:
That's your view. To me, drinking at those levels and just those levels is pointless. I'd rather not drink than just drink one pint. And then hope that the barman poured me a pint of Carlsberg and not a Brewdog Tactical Nuclear Penguin by mistake!
I find that very odd.

It's like saying I'd rather not have one chocolate out of the box as it's pointless just having one.

I could have one pint, half a pint or 5 pints (obviously not driving) in different circumstances and find them all perfectly acceptable.

Do you not actually like a good pint but instead like the effects of having a skinful, then?

Perhaps that's what is colouring your opinion on other people having one pint and driving - you associate going out for a pint with being pissed?

Colonial

13,553 posts

204 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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Edinburger said:
You're talking about mph rather than mg, yeah?

Seems like a silly statement. But you knew that anyway. rolleyes
Why is it a silly statement.

You are preaching that driving within the legal alcohol concentration is an unnecessary risk. Surely doing the speed limit (also legal) rather than 10mph below, just to be on the safe side, is also something you support?

Or is it just rampant hypocrisy based on an emotional response?

Pebbles167

3,417 posts

151 months

Monday 27th October 2014
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I'd consider myself a bigger risk driving under the influence of Ricky Martin than I would under the influence of a pint of beer.

On new years eve I was pulled over on my way to a party. I admitted having finished a single pint 20 minutes earlier. I blew a zero and he sent me on my way. I really dont think its particularly dangerous.

Moonhawk

10,730 posts

218 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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eharding said:
Well, here's an interesting chloropleth. The scale is grams per decilitre of blood.

The odd thing is - if you were to produce a similar map with "road deaths per capita" - the colours would be more or less the reverse of this.

The UK has the highest DD limit in Europe currently - but it also has one of the lowest casualty rates.



Perhaps proper enforcement of the limits that are in place is more important than the actual limit imposed.

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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sidicks said:
Edinburger said:
That's your view. To me, drinking at those levels and just those levels is pointless. I'd rather not drink than just drink one pint. And then hope that the barman poured me a pint of Carlsberg and not a Brewdog Tactical Nuclear Penguin by mistake!
But your personal opinion has nothing to do with the risk or the facts!
Quite.

"I don't only drink 1 pint, so I don't care if the freedom of society as a whole is eroded on dubious (at best) logic."

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

203 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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McWigglebum4th said:
Edinburger said:
No wind up. It's your decision. Do what you like - just don't do it anywhere near my children.
Seeing you are incapable of having a pint and must have at least 6 pints


Can i request you stay off the street as i am far more likely to be stabbed to death by you then you are to be run over by me



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...

95 murders in 2010 and 53% of all those murders involved drink so 50 deaths



On the road 10% of deaths related to drink and 173 deaths in scotland which is 17 deaths
Come on guys

Justify not having a 1 pint limit in all public places

Or do you approve of people stabbing each other?

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Tuesday 28th October 2014
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anonymous said:
[redacted]
Oh, and as for the comment of cant enjoy just one pint, this simply shows your attitude to alcohol, not everyone takes the first sip of their first drink with an end goal of getting wasted.
Genuine question and an honest answer would be appreciated: What's the goal of having that first sip/pint?
Thanks to Derek for explaining about the variety of research done etc on negative effects of small amounts of alcohol. I would suggest that the chances of someone dying because of there being millions of journeys driven by 1-pinters must surely be unimaginably small...? (Ie they wouldn't have died if the driver was sober).

As for the anecdote about hgv drivers on the limit of their vehicles and ability - the relevance this has for Joe McPublic driving home on road at safe and sensible speeds much within the car's capabilities might also be very low...?

As for the question of "what's the point in 1 pint?" ...personally I like a pint smile

BlackLabel

13,251 posts

122 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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5 Scottish postcodes feature in the top 20 areas for drink driving convictions. Wonder what that figure will be when the new law comes in.




http://www.moneysupermarket.com/car-insurance/blog...

If you look at the convictions according to occupation (for the whole of the uk) tarmaccers come out on top.



Edited by BlackLabel on Thursday 27th November 22:22

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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Drilling Tech - I have never met a smart driller, so that comes as no surprise!

Vipers

32,799 posts

227 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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So Police Scotland will be increasing random checks for drink/drive AFTER the new limit comes in.

If they are so worried about drink/driving, why aren't they increasing random checks before it comes into force.

Does revenue spring to mind?




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wolves_wanderer

Original Poster:

12,356 posts

236 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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Tarmaccers eh? I wonder if any do some scrap metal dealing on the side...

simoid

19,772 posts

157 months

Thursday 27th November 2014
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Axionknight said:
Drilling Tech - I have never met a smart driller, so that comes as no surprise!
I thought it said drifting tech hehe

Vipers

32,799 posts

227 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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simoid said:
Axionknight said:
Drilling Tech - I have never met a smart driller, so that comes as no surprise!
I thought it said drifting tech hehe
Surprising no Lion tamers on that list. biggrin

My pal always told the girls that was he was when they asked him.




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Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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Did such a tale help him get what he wanted?

  • scribbles down notes*

McWigglebum4th

32,414 posts

203 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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Vipers said:
So Police Scotland will be increasing random checks for drink/drive AFTER the new limit comes in.

If they are so worried about drink/driving, why aren't they increasing random checks before it comes into force.

Does revenue spring to mind?




smile
I wonder if they will be out at 2am looking for those 5 times over the new limit


Or will they be out at 8am looking for those 5% over the new limit


Would n't be the first time i have seen the police having a road block going into badentoy industrial estate testing random cars



Still no answer from Edinburgh on banning drink everywhere

Vipers

32,799 posts

227 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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McWigglebum4th said:
Would n't be the first time i have seen the police having a road block going into badentoy industrial estate.
They could make loads of dosh there with a speed camera to catch those coming off the northbound A90 turning left at the slip road and zipping down the road into the estate.




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p1esk

4,914 posts

195 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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Edinburger said:
simoid said:
I like a pint if I go out for a meal or something. Usually I'll drive and the missus will have a couple of glasses of wine. I'll make my first drink a pint of something nice, then have water or soft drinks. This law is nothing more than a restriction on my freedom to enjoy a pint responsibly.
Why do you have a pint when you know you'll be driving?
It might be because it is something he enjoys, and there is nothing unreasnable, let alone unlawful, in doing what he does. It sounded to me like a sensible and responsible attitude.

p1esk

4,914 posts

195 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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Edinburger said:
simoid said:
As I said in the post above: I like to enjoy a pint of something nice if I'm out for dinner. Or occasionally a bottle of beer or a glass of vino.

A beer with a meal improves my experience greatly. Complementary goods.
In that case, get a taxi home.

If you want to drive, don't have a beer.

Simples.
The law doesn't say that if you're going to be driving, you can't drink alcohol at all.

You may prefer not to do it, but why do you wish to impose that limitation on others? Most of them are probably being quite sensible and careful and causing no problem at all, in which case I don't think it is necessary to interfere with what they are doing.

p1esk

4,914 posts

195 months

Friday 28th November 2014
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Edinburger said:
The reason I'm so against drink driving is because a loved one was killed by a drunk driver a few years ago.

It's beyond me why anyone would knowingly drink alcohol and then knowingly drive a car. Or even plan to.

This proposed change is to prevent people having " just the one".

It's car or booze - they don't match.

Wiggley - we all know you pride yourself on drinking and driving and for that reason you are an idiot.
Well I'm very sorry to hear of your loss, but you did say that your loved one was killed by a drunk driver, not one who had consumed a small, and relatively harmless, quantity of alcohol. I do not seek to defend drivers who are drunk.