scotland to reduce Drink Drive limit
Discussion
crofty1984 said:
Edinburger said:
McWigglebum4th said:
As a taxi is £80 back to my house from aberdeen
and coke tastes like s
t
and it is a tiny tiny increased risk to the general public
So why should i not be allowed one single pint of decent beer?
That's your lifestyle choice. If you want a beer, sort out transport home. and coke tastes like s
tand it is a tiny tiny increased risk to the general public
So why should i not be allowed one single pint of decent beer?
McWigglebum4th said:
Edinburger said:
In that case, get a taxi home.
If you want to drive, don't have a beer.
Simples.
So simples?If you want to drive, don't have a beer.
Simples.
Ever driven with a cold
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven tired
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven a car that could break the speed limit
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven while angry
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven when it is raining
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven when it is foggy
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven when you were under the age of 30
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Simples isn't it
I would add
Ever driven with lively children in the car
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven when under stress
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Could go on and on
Listening t the radio this morning
90% chance that it will come to england and wales
As the entire interview with transport minister was
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The point that 45% of drink drivers caught are over 2 times over the english limit fell of deaf ears
90% chance that it will come to england and wales
As the entire interview with transport minister was
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The point that 45% of drink drivers caught are over 2 times over the english limit fell of deaf ears
Doesn't seem to bother the locals here in Aberdeen, no matter the limit, the amount of drink driving you hear of going on is unbelievable, also I believe, we are quite high up on the old total number of convictions list in the UK rankings.
Personally I think the effects will be negligable, more people will be done FOR drink driving, but it'll deter only a small minotity IMO, lets face it, if you don't have any issues with getting behind the wheel after ten pints of bevvy, a cut in the drink driving limit is unlikely to deter you as you surely must know that you are driving way over the limit anyway.
Personally I think the effects will be negligable, more people will be done FOR drink driving, but it'll deter only a small minotity IMO, lets face it, if you don't have any issues with getting behind the wheel after ten pints of bevvy, a cut in the drink driving limit is unlikely to deter you as you surely must know that you are driving way over the limit anyway.
McWigglebum4th said:
The point that 45% of drink drivers caught are over 2 times over the english limit fell of deaf ears
Emotive story beats genuine statistics."If only one life can be saved". The purveyors of this attitude will always be seen as a 'good guy'.
Fight against it and you can only be seen as the 'bad guy' in the eyes of many.
Wollemi said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Edinburger said:
In that case, get a taxi home.
If you want to drive, don't have a beer.
Simples.
So simples?If you want to drive, don't have a beer.
Simples.
Ever driven with a cold
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven tired
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven a car that could break the speed limit
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven while angry
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven when it is raining
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven when it is foggy
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven when you were under the age of 30
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Simples isn't it
I would add
Ever driven with lively children in the car
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven when under stress
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Could go on and on
Too Much Risk
er?
g3org3y said:
McWigglebum4th said:
The point that 45% of drink drivers caught are over 2 times over the english limit fell of deaf ears
Emotive story beats genuine statistics."If only one life can be saved". The purveyors of this attitude will always be seen as a 'good guy'.
Fight against it and you can only be seen as the 'bad guy' in the eyes of many.
Can anyone who supports this drop or even worse a zero limit give me a good reason why all cars should not be restricted to 20mph?
I think the supreme irony is that the driving standards of private hire taxi drivers is absolutely st whereas I'm not aware of any evidence of driving standards of those who have drunk 1-2 pints.
Certainly here in Birmingham, the idea that road safety would be improved by having more private hire drivers on the road is an absolute screaming joke!
t whereas I'm not aware of any evidence of driving standards of those who have drunk 1-2 pints.Certainly here in Birmingham, the idea that road safety would be improved by having more private hire drivers on the road is an absolute screaming joke!
We live in a Society. Part of that society is the social activity of eating and consumption of alcohol with food in pubs and restaurants in the countryside and other remote locations. An integral part of our society is the consumption of sensible amounts of alcoholic drink. It is part of our culture.
In our society we also allow people to move themselves around in motorised vehicles, and we impose rules about how those vehicles should be driven. We accept that there is a risk whenever cars are driven, this cannot be eliminated completely. We also accept that people will drive these vehicles when they are not at their best, when there abilities are compromised, sometimes temporality, sometime permanently. As long as people still drive within the rules we allow them to drive - we focus upon how well the vehicle is actually been driven rather the whether at a different time the driver could be driving it better.
One factor which reduces a drivers abilities is the consumption of alcohol, and we have rightly decided that the drinking of a significant amount of alcohol is incompatible with driving a vehicle.
The fundamental point is at what point does drinking alcohol cause an impairment that is worse than the other impairments which we are prepared to allow people to drive at.
There appears to be sound evidence that the 80mg does indeed represent a sensible point at which driving ability is unacceptably impaired. I would like to see the evidence that drivers between 50 and 80mg are posing any significantly increased risk. I have yet to see any such evidence.
The State should only seek to curtail the freedom of its citizens when there is clear evidence to do so, there should be hard and clear evidence. Decisions should be made by fact and not emotion.
In our society we also allow people to move themselves around in motorised vehicles, and we impose rules about how those vehicles should be driven. We accept that there is a risk whenever cars are driven, this cannot be eliminated completely. We also accept that people will drive these vehicles when they are not at their best, when there abilities are compromised, sometimes temporality, sometime permanently. As long as people still drive within the rules we allow them to drive - we focus upon how well the vehicle is actually been driven rather the whether at a different time the driver could be driving it better.
One factor which reduces a drivers abilities is the consumption of alcohol, and we have rightly decided that the drinking of a significant amount of alcohol is incompatible with driving a vehicle.
The fundamental point is at what point does drinking alcohol cause an impairment that is worse than the other impairments which we are prepared to allow people to drive at.
There appears to be sound evidence that the 80mg does indeed represent a sensible point at which driving ability is unacceptably impaired. I would like to see the evidence that drivers between 50 and 80mg are posing any significantly increased risk. I have yet to see any such evidence.
The State should only seek to curtail the freedom of its citizens when there is clear evidence to do so, there should be hard and clear evidence. Decisions should be made by fact and not emotion.
Give it a few years and it wll be zero limit in scotland
deaths will not go down but will infact increase
they will drop it to 40
deaths will not go down but will infact increase
they will drop it to 30
deaths will not go down but will infact increase
they will drop it to 20
deaths will not go down but will infact increase
they will drop it to 10
deaths will not go down but will infact increase
They will drop it to 0
deaths will not go down but will infact increase
they will drop it to banning anyone who has been in a room with someone who has drunk alcohol in the past decade
Edinburgh will say this isn't strict enough
deaths will not go down but will infact increase
they will drop it to 40
deaths will not go down but will infact increase
they will drop it to 30
deaths will not go down but will infact increase
they will drop it to 20
deaths will not go down but will infact increase
they will drop it to 10
deaths will not go down but will infact increase
They will drop it to 0
deaths will not go down but will infact increase
they will drop it to banning anyone who has been in a room with someone who has drunk alcohol in the past decade
Edinburgh will say this isn't strict enough
OllieC said:
Wollemi said:
McWigglebum4th said:
Edinburger said:
In that case, get a taxi home.
If you want to drive, don't have a beer.
Simples.
So simples?If you want to drive, don't have a beer.
Simples.
Ever driven with a cold
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven tired
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven a car that could break the speed limit
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven while angry
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven when it is raining
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven when it is foggy
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven when you were under the age of 30
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Simples isn't it
I would add
Ever driven with lively children in the car
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Ever driven when under stress
Too much risk
Take a taxi
Could go on and on
Too Much Risk
er?
McWigglebum4th said:
I wonder if they will be out at 2am looking for those 5 times over the new limit
Or will they be out at 8am looking for those 5% over the new limit
Would n't be the first time i have seen the police having a road block going into badentoy industrial estate testing random cars
Still no answer from Edinburgh on banning drink everywhere
To be fair the difference between failing the old limit or the new limit the morning after is such a small margin. Or will they be out at 8am looking for those 5% over the new limit
Would n't be the first time i have seen the police having a road block going into badentoy industrial estate testing random cars
Still no answer from Edinburgh on banning drink everywhere
If you've had a a piss up the night before there is no possible way you can judge the difference yourself. The difference is actually very small between old and new.
If you were pissed the night before you aren't safe to drive under the new limit, neither were you safe under the old limit.
People really are splitting hairs on this matter and making it seem much worse than it really is.
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