scotland to reduce Drink Drive limit
Discussion
Driver101 said:
simoid said:
Driver101 said:
If you were pissed the night before you aren't safe to drive under the new limit, neither were you safe under the old limit.
That would be true if the limit was the same. But it's been dropped 
We're talking about such a small difference between the old and new limits. From what I read the difference is less than one drink between the old and new limits.
Normally the people who I see the morning after are still stinking of drink and should know they are still well over.
Not as if you're going to see guys in the pub say I'm going to cut back from 8 pints to 7.5 pints tonight just so I know I'll be ok for tomorrow.
If you're pushing the drink drive limits the morning after, you've clearly had a lot to drink the night before and we're already putting yourself at risk of getting caught.
I just can't see many people conveniently falling between the old and new limits, it is such a small margin.
Driver101 said:
simoid said:
Driver101 said:
If you were pissed the night before you aren't safe to drive under the new limit, neither were you safe under the old limit.
That would be true if the limit was the same. But it's been dropped We're talking about such a small difference between the old and new limits. From what I read the difference is less than one drink between the old and new limits.
Normally the people who I see the morning after are still stinking of drink and should know they are still well over.
Not as if you're going to see guys in the pub say I'm going to cut back from 8 pints to 7.5 pints tonight just so I know I'll be ok for tomorrow.
If you're pushing the drink drive limits the morning after, you've clearly had a lot to drink the night before and we're already putting yourself at risk of getting caught.
I just can't see many people conveniently falling between the old and new limits.
I'll let you do the maths.
supersingle said:
The old limit is 80mg. The new limit is 50mg.
I'll let you do the maths.
I'm fully aware of that. It's a 37% drop which means if you could have two pints before, you'll still manage just over 1.25 pints. I'll let you do the maths.
In reality, tell me how many pints you could manage before to pass a breath test at he roadside for 35 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 ml of breath against the new limit of 22 microgrammes the following morning?
Are you really pushing drink driving limits within 0.75 of a glass the following morning?
What you're saying now is totally different to your original point, which made no sense:
Driver101 said:
If you were pissed the night before you aren't safe to drive under the new limit, neither were you safe under the old limit.
Since it is possible that new limit < your blood alcohol content < old limit.simoid said:
What you're saying now is totally different to your original point, which made no sense:
Driver101 said:
If you were pissed the night before you aren't safe to drive under the new limit, neither were you safe under the old limit.
Since it is possible that new limit < your blood alcohol content < old limit.What I getting it is the margins are so fine between old and new.
Unless you have an accurate self test kit, you've no idea if your are over any of the limits.
The difference between old and new is so small that if you fail the new limit, it's unlikely you'll have passes the old one.
Most people know they are rough in the morning and know they will fail.
MarshPhantom said:
Our drink drive laws seem to be a bit screwed up really. Why not have a sliding scale of punishment.
For example - slightly over: fine and points.
- double the limit: 1 year ban.
- absolutely a
holed: long ban + jail.
https://www.gov.uk/drink-driving-penaltiesFor example - slightly over: fine and points.
- double the limit: 1 year ban.
- absolutely a
holed: long ban + jail.If and when and maybe, but the potential is there.
Driver101 said:
supersingle said:
The old limit is 80mg. The new limit is 50mg.
I'll let you do the maths.
I'm fully aware of that. It's a 37% drop which means if you could have two pints before, you'll still manage just over 1.25 pints. I'll let you do the maths.
In reality, tell me how many pints you could manage before to pass a breath test at he roadside for 35 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 ml of breath against the new limit of 22 microgrammes the following morning?
Are you really pushing drink driving limits within 0.75 of a glass the following morning?
The limit has gone down by more than a third. That is not a small or marginal difference. It's going to snare am awful lot of safe drivers whilst simultaneously making drink driving appear a less serious crime.
The change makes drink driving more socially acceptable. Well done piliticos.
supersingle said:
Driver101 said:
supersingle said:
The old limit is 80mg. The new limit is 50mg.
I'll let you do the maths.
I'm fully aware of that. It's a 37% drop which means if you could have two pints before, you'll still manage just over 1.25 pints. I'll let you do the maths.
In reality, tell me how many pints you could manage before to pass a breath test at he roadside for 35 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 ml of breath against the new limit of 22 microgrammes the following morning?
Are you really pushing drink driving limits within 0.75 of a glass the following morning?
The limit has gone down by more than a third. That is not a small or marginal difference. It's going to snare am awful lot of safe drivers whilst simultaneously making drink driving appear a less serious crime.
The change makes drink driving more socially acceptable. Well done piliticos.
How much is 3/4 of a drink going to make in the grand scale of your drinking habits and when you drive?
It is a small margin. It's not as if you've dropped from being allowed 20 pints down to 10 pints. It's somewhere around from 2 pints to 1.25 pints on the night(obviously people differ) to somewhere around 1.5 units of alcohol the following day.
The new limit makes drink driving socially acceptable? Did you really just write that?
I've asked a simple question and you've completely body swerved it calling it a dig.
So 1) would you call 1.5, maybe even 2 units of alcohol a lot?
2) Would you be able to sense the difference between 2 units of alcohol in your body the following day?
3) Do you really push it the following morning thinking you might be close to the limit, or within 0.75 of a drink?
simoid said:
The morning after, it's also a case of time too. Have 6 pints Friday night, maybe you're fine to drive at (guess) 0800, now perhaps it's 0900.
Has anyone actually got a test kit and takes readings of themselves? The figures I always read is it takes the average person 1 hour to digest each unit of alcohol.
A pint of Stella is almost 3 units of alcohol.
Start drinking at 8pm on a Saturday night, have 10 pints of Stella and it will be 2am Monday morning before your system is clear.
Using the figures banded about as average and the limits, the average person will still fail very late into Sunday evening.
Most people can have a couple of pints and not have any ill effects. They still know they are close to the legal limit.
However when they get up the following morning and still feel groggy, they somehow assume they are safe to drive.
Edited by Driver101 on Friday 5th December 18:42
Edited by Driver101 on Friday 5th December 18:42
Driver101 said:
Has anyone actually got a test kit and takes readings of themselves?
The figures I always read is it takes the average person 1 hour to digest each unit of alcohol.
A pint of Stella is almost 3 units of alcohol.
Start drinking at 8pm on a Saturday night, have 10 pints of Stella and it will be 2am Monday morning before your system is clear.
Using the figures banded about as average and the limits, the average person will still fail very late into Sunday evening.
Most people can have a couple of pints and not have any ill effects. They still know they are close to the legal limit.
However when they get up the following morning and still feel groggy, they somehow assume they are safe to drive.
I had 3 pints of Stella and passed one of the Alcosense tester machines. I know someone else who had six pints before getting pulled by the babylons and passed the breathalyser.The figures I always read is it takes the average person 1 hour to digest each unit of alcohol.
A pint of Stella is almost 3 units of alcohol.
Start drinking at 8pm on a Saturday night, have 10 pints of Stella and it will be 2am Monday morning before your system is clear.
Using the figures banded about as average and the limits, the average person will still fail very late into Sunday evening.
Most people can have a couple of pints and not have any ill effects. They still know they are close to the legal limit.
However when they get up the following morning and still feel groggy, they somehow assume they are safe to drive.
Edited by Driver101 on Friday 5th December 18:42
Edited by Driver101 on Friday 5th December 18:42
I'd take your figures of 24 hrs to clear 10 pints of Stella with a massive pinch of salt.
Edited by MarshPhantom on Friday 5th December 18:51
MarshPhantom said:
I had 3 pints of Stella and passed one of the Alcosense tester machines. I know someone else who had six pints before getting pulled by the babylons and passed the breathalyser.
I'd take your figures of 24 hrs to clear 10 pints of Stella with a massive pinch of salt.
My mate was stopped last year after 6 pints and failed badly. He was almost double the old limit. I'd take your figures of 24 hrs to clear 10 pints of Stella with a massive pinch of salt.
Edited by MarshPhantom on Friday 5th December 18:51
I find it hard to believe anyone could have six pints and pass.
You can take it with a pinch of salt all you wish. I've only used the figures banded about as average. Not everyone is the same obviously.
Edited by Driver101 on Friday 5th December 19:02
Driver101 said:
supersingle said:
Driver101 said:
supersingle said:
The old limit is 80mg. The new limit is 50mg.
I'll let you do the maths.
I'm fully aware of that. It's a 37% drop which means if you could have two pints before, you'll still manage just over 1.25 pints. I'll let you do the maths.
In reality, tell me how many pints you could manage before to pass a breath test at he roadside for 35 microgrammes of alcohol per 100 ml of breath against the new limit of 22 microgrammes the following morning?
Are you really pushing drink driving limits within 0.75 of a glass the following morning?
The limit has gone down by more than a third. That is not a small or marginal difference. It's going to snare am awful lot of safe drivers whilst simultaneously making drink driving appear a less serious crime.
The change makes drink driving more socially acceptable. Well done piliticos.
How much is 3/4 of a drink going to make in the grand scale of your drinking habits and when you drive?
It is a small margin. It's not as if you've dropped from being allowed 20 pints down to 10 pints. It's somewhere around from 2 pints to 1.25 pints on the night(obviously people differ) to somewhere around 1.5 units of alcohol the following day.
The new limit makes drink driving socially acceptable? Did you really just write that?
I've asked a simple question and you've completely body swerved it calling it a dig.
So 1) would you call 1.5, maybe even 2 units of alcohol a lot?
2) Would you be able to sense the difference between 2 units of alcohol in your body the following day?
3) Do you really push it the following morning thinking you might be close to the limit, or within 0.75 of a drink?
This law will make drunk driving more socially acceptable. Drink drivers prosecuted over the old limit were almost always knowingly flouting the law. Few of us had any sympathy for them. Under the new limit there's an element of doubt. They may only have had a couple of pints and have been driving perfectly safely.
It's a bad day for the law and for road safety.
M
I find it hard to believe anyone could have six pints and pass.
You can take it with a pinch of salt all you wish. I've only used the figures banded about as average. Not everyone is the same obviously.
6 pints and passed, should go back to the pub for a refund, obviously selling rats piss.
Driver101 said:
MarshPhantom said:
I had 3 pints of Stella and passed one of the Alcosense tester machines. I know someone else who had six pints before getting pulled by the babylons and passed the breathalyser.
I'd take your figures of 24 hrs to clear 10 pints of Stella with a massive pinch of salt.
My mate was stopped last year after 6 pints and failed badly. He was almost double the old limit. I'd take your figures of 24 hrs to clear 10 pints of Stella with a massive pinch of salt.
Edited by MarshPhantom on Friday 5th December 18:51
I find it hard to believe anyone could have six pints and pass.
You can take it with a pinch of salt all you wish. I've only used the figures banded about as average. Not everyone is the same obviously.
Edited by Driver101 on Friday 5th December 19:02
supersingle said:
This isn't about me so stop it.
This law will make drunk driving more socially acceptable. Drink drivers prosecuted over the old limit were almost always knowingly flouting the law. Few of us had any sympathy for them. Under the new limit there's an element of doubt. They may only have had a couple of pints and have been driving perfectly safely.
It's a bad day for the law and for road safety.
Why isn't it about you? Doesn't this affect you at all? This law will make drunk driving more socially acceptable. Drink drivers prosecuted over the old limit were almost always knowingly flouting the law. Few of us had any sympathy for them. Under the new limit there's an element of doubt. They may only have had a couple of pints and have been driving perfectly safely.
It's a bad day for the law and for road safety.
You're the guy hitting me with do the maths and can't back up your point when you've had a go at me.
I've given my opinion and you've done all you can to avoid answering any questions.
I've done the maths you've asked me, so now explain to me your maths? I've no idea where you're coming from so far.
It doesn't make drink driving socially acceptable in the slightest. It sounds like quite the opposite for the majority.Most people I've heard are now far more aware and concerned about drink driving, more so for the morning after.
Usually when a person is convicted the local press reports what their test reading was. They can make up their own minds if they have sympathy or not based on that, but most people won't care two hoots.
So explain to me how this is going to affect the average person doing your maths?
Driver101 said:
supersingle said:
This isn't about me so stop it.
This law will make drunk driving more socially acceptable. Drink drivers prosecuted over the old limit were almost always knowingly flouting the law. Few of us had any sympathy for them. Under the new limit there's an element of doubt. They may only have had a couple of pints and have been driving perfectly safely.
It's a bad day for the law and for road safety.
Why isn't it about you? Doesn't this affect you at all? This law will make drunk driving more socially acceptable. Drink drivers prosecuted over the old limit were almost always knowingly flouting the law. Few of us had any sympathy for them. Under the new limit there's an element of doubt. They may only have had a couple of pints and have been driving perfectly safely.
It's a bad day for the law and for road safety.
You're the guy hitting me with do the maths and can't back up your point when you've had a go at me.
I've given my opinion and you've done all you can to avoid answering any questions.
I've done the maths you've asked me, so now explain to me your maths? I've no idea where you're coming from so far.
It doesn't make drink driving socially acceptable in the slightest. It sounds like quite the opposite for the majority.Most people I've heard are now far more aware and concerned about drink driving, more so for the morning after.
Usually when a person is convicted the local press reports what their test reading was. They can make up their own minds if they have sympathy or not based on that, but most people won't care two hoots.
So explain to me how this is going to affect the average person doing your maths?
We've gone from a law based on evidence and objective reasoning to one springing from knee jerk, hysterical grandstanding.
I guess that's just how things are done these days.
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