scotland to reduce Drink Drive limit

[Edinburger]

untakenname said:

Having spent time in Both Portugal and Poland which have low alcohol limits I can confirm that the locals just ignore it and providing there's no accidents the police do as well, a bit like here in the 70's where the drink driving adverts of the time had the slogan 'five then don't drive'.

Just setting a limit without having the public onside is counterproductive.

England has the highest limits in Europe yet we have pretty much the safest roads which shows if anything that the limit maybe set too low in England.

It's acceptable to have two medium strength beers with a meal and stay in a pub garden for a couple of hours and then drive home, how many billions would be lost to the economy plus the impact on mental health in rural areas if Scotland's limits were brought in UK wide?

You sir, are an idiot.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

It's true that there are some people who ignore virtually every law.

I wonder how much the law change cost, and how many extra traffic police dedicated to seeking out drink drivers that could’ve covered.

Which would save more lives?

It’s not about wanting people driving about after a shandy or not, it’s about wanting dangerous drivers off our roads.

Do you really think the police have deployed squads of traffic officers seeking out people who have had two or three pints?

Or are you just being simoid?

Please read my post again, you have failed to understand my point.

The law change cost money. This appears to have been wasted money. I would prefer this money would have contributed to roads policing, specifically looking for drunk drivers, as I think it would be a more effective way to reduce casualties and make our roads safer.

PS I’m always Simoid.

Of course a law change costs money.

How many people decided not to have a couple of pints and then drive in the last year, as a result of the law change?

Laws are not just about avoiding crime.

I don’t know how many people decided against having a couple of pints because of the costly law change.

I do know that we changed the law and more people died because of drink drivers.

Is it sinking in yet?

I think there were and are better and more cost effective ways of making our roads safer than changing the alcohol limit.

Share your ways of making our roads safer then.

It's not possible or tangible to calculate the number of people who chose to not drink and drive. Of course it isn't. It's a behaviour change. That is the point.

That is the point.

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

Because there is no justifiable reason to drink and drive. What is the point of having one or two pints, and then driving? Why, as a society, do we think people should take any behaviour changing drug and encourage them to drive?

The lower Scottish limit covers alcohol in medicine or food. That's plenty.

It’s nice to have a wee glass of wine or beer to complement a meal. It’s social to have a shandy after work and chat to mates. Both of these things improve peoples’ life quality and help local businesses thereby boosting the economy.

[NomduJour]

Instead of banning drinking and driving, why not just sort it once and for all by banning both drinking and driving?

Anyone who argues against these critical safety measures is clearly an idiot.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

Because there is no justifiable reason to drink and drive. What is the point of having one or two pints, and then driving? Why, as a society, do we think people should take any behaviour changing drug and encourage them to drive?

The lower Scottish limit covers alcohol in medicine or food. That's plenty.

It’s nice to have a wee glass of wine or beer to complement a meal. It’s social to have a shandy after work and chat to mates. Both of these things improve peoples’ life quality and help local businesses thereby boosting the economy.

Simples. Have a soft drink instead. Or an alcohol free beer.

[Edinburger]

NomduJour said:

Instead of banning drinking and driving, why not just sort it once and for all by banning both drinking and driving?

Anyone who argues against these critical safety measures is clearly an idiot.

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

Because there is no justifiable reason to drink and drive. What is the point of having one or two pints, and then driving? Why, as a society, do we think people should take any behaviour changing drug and encourage them to drive?

The lower Scottish limit covers alcohol in medicine or food. That's plenty.

It’s nice to have a wee glass of wine or beer to complement a meal. It’s social to have a shandy after work and chat to mates. Both of these things improve peoples’ life quality and help local businesses thereby boosting the economy.

Simples. Have a soft drink instead. Or an alcohol free beer.

Not as nice. Not as much enjoyment. As well being a hermit and staying at home.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

Because there is no justifiable reason to drink and drive. What is the point of having one or two pints, and then driving? Why, as a society, do we think people should take any behaviour changing drug and encourage them to drive?

The lower Scottish limit covers alcohol in medicine or food. That's plenty.

It’s nice to have a wee glass of wine or beer to complement a meal. It’s social to have a shandy after work and chat to mates. Both of these things improve peoples’ life quality and help local businesses thereby boosting the economy.

Simples. Have a soft drink instead. Or an alcohol free beer.

Not as nice. Not as much enjoyment. As well being a hermit and staying at home.

No need to be facetious about it. If you want a beer, don't take the car. Simple as that.

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

No need to be facetious about it. If you want a beer, don't take the car. Simple as that.

I’ll continue to take the car and enjoy a beer, thanks.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

No need to be facetious about it. If you want a beer, don't take the car. Simple as that.

I’ll continue to take the car and enjoy a beer, thanks.

Let me know when you're going out so I can avoid the streets and roads then.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

No need to be facetious about it. If you want a beer, don't take the car. Simple as that.

I’ll continue to take the car and enjoy a beer, thanks.

That's quite a brazen comment to make.

I'm sure you wouldn't say "I’ll continue to attack women, thanks."

[heebeegeetee]

Edinburger said:

Share your ways of making our roads safer then.

Why? The roads are already very, very safe indeed. Every single day in the UK tens of millions of people take to the roads, and 99.9%+ return home safely, every day. We are all *overwhelmingly* likely to die of something other than a road accident.

Of that map posted earlier, the country that has consistently been the safest or amongst the very safest, in the whole world is the one in red.

If we want to do something, lets do something about these people. Check his crimes - he gets two years inside less time off, and authorities think he'd be ok to have licence in four. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7031607/S...

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

Let me know when you're going out so I can avoid the streets and roads then.

If you’re worried about me after a half pint of beer or a small glass of red, you should really just stay at home. Oh wait - most accidents happen at home. I don’t know what you should do. Maybe just lighten up.

[Edinburger]

heebeegeetee said:

Edinburger said:

Share your ways of making our roads safer then.

Why? The roads are already very, very safe indeed. Every single day in the UK tens of millions of people take to the roads, and 99.9%+ return home safely, every day. We are all *overwhelmingly* likely to die of something other than a road accident.

Of that map posted earlier, the country that has consistently been the safest or amongst the very safest, in the whole world is the one in red.

If we want to do something, lets do something about these people. Check his crimes - he gets two years inside less time off, and authorities think he'd be ok to have licence in four. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7031607/S...

Got a source that explicitly says the roads in England & Wales are the safest in the world?

[g3org3y]

Edinburger said:

How many people decided not to have a couple of pints and then drive in the last year, as a result of the law change?

And what difference did it make in terms of the measurable outcomes we (you) are so concerned about?

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

No need to be facetious about it. If you want a beer, don't take the car. Simple as that.

I’ll continue to take the car and enjoy a beer, thanks.

Let me know when you're going out so I can avoid the streets and roads then.

Why? It seems to have been proven that individuals who have one drink clearly aren't contributing to death and destruction on the roads?

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

No need to be facetious about it. If you want a beer, don't take the car. Simple as that.

I’ll continue to take the car and enjoy a beer, thanks.

That's quite a brazen comment to make.

I'm sure you wouldn't say "I’ll continue to attack women, thanks."

Top reply.

Edinburger said:

Think before you reply.

Irony, thy name is Edinburger.

[technodup]

it comes as absolutely no surprise that Edinburgher sides with the futile gesture politics of the SNP.

Banning singing? Tick.
Reducing alcohol limits even when proven not to work? Tick.
Increasing the cost of alcohol for everyone, to reduce 'problem' drinking? Tick.

That's two recent SNP policies which have been shown not to work, and one which has been reversed.

Top work.

[simoid]

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

No need to be facetious about it. If you want a beer, don't take the car. Simple as that.

I’ll continue to take the car and enjoy a beer, thanks.

That's quite a brazen comment to make.

I'm sure you wouldn't say "I’ll continue to attack women, thanks."

Of course I wouldn’t. That would be silly, offensive, illegal, etc.

[Edinburger]

g3org3y said:

Edinburger said:

How many people decided not to have a couple of pints and then drive in the last year, as a result of the law change?

And what difference did it make in terms of the measurable outcomes we (you) are so concerned about?

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

No need to be facetious about it. If you want a beer, don't take the car. Simple as that.

I’ll continue to take the car and enjoy a beer, thanks.

Let me know when you're going out so I can avoid the streets and roads then.

Why? It seems to have been proven that individuals who have one drink clearly aren't contributing to death and destruction on the roads?

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

No need to be facetious about it. If you want a beer, don't take the car. Simple as that.

I’ll continue to take the car and enjoy a beer, thanks.

That's quite a brazen comment to make.

I'm sure you wouldn't say "I’ll continue to attack women, thanks."

Top reply.

Edinburger said:

Think before you reply.

Irony, thy name is Edinburger.

Very good.

[Edinburger]

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

simoid said:

Edinburger said:

No need to be facetious about it. If you want a beer, don't take the car. Simple as that.

I’ll continue to take the car and enjoy a beer, thanks.

That's quite a brazen comment to make.

I'm sure you wouldn't say "I’ll continue to attack women, thanks."

Of course I wouldn’t. That would be silly, offensive, illegal, etc.

To say "I’ll continue to take the car and enjoy a beer, thanks." is silly and illegal and socially offensive.

[Edinburger]

technodup said:

it comes as absolutely no surprise that Edinburgher sides with the futile gesture politics of the SNP.

Banning singing? Tick.
Reducing alcohol limits even when proven not to work? Tick.
Increasing the cost of alcohol for everyone, to reduce 'problem' drinking? Tick.

That's two recent SNP policies which have been shown not to work, and one which has been reversed.

Top work.

What a lot of crap you post sometimes.

Banning singing? Only songs of sectarianism, racism and hatred.
Reducing alcohol limits even when proven not to work? Nothing has been proven not to work, but it brings our country into line with other countries.
Increasing the cost of alcohol for everyone, to reduce 'problem' drinking? I actually don't agree this was a good move either.

2/3 Could do better.