"Alcoholism is an illness"...

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Carrot

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7,294 posts

202 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Probably not going to make many friends on this thread, however after reading about the latest 'Gazza' event and loads of people in the news defending his 'illness' etc, this is actually a subject that angers me somewhat.

To me, whether you are addicted to something or not, you choose to do it. I was a smoker for many years (gave up two years ago), and although I was addicted, it was my choice to go out and buy the cigarettes and smoke them no matter how you look at it.

I have known friends and family to die of cancer, a proper 'illness' in it's own right. These people don't choose to have the symptoms of cancer or not, and they can't give up having cancer either.

Interested in the consensus of the forum, do you see an alcoholic as someone with an illness or a disease, or do you see them as someone who lacks willpower and judgement?

Impasse

15,099 posts

241 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Are you also one of those who think people with depression should just snap out of it?

Pet Troll

1,362 posts

178 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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If smoking and alcoholism can be counted as an illness, can I plead an addiction to speed (in a car) is an illness too?

jas xjr

11,309 posts

239 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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i reckon that lack of willpower and judgement may lead you into alcoholism . once you become an alcoholic i think , yes you are ill . i owned off licences for twenty years and saw people from all walks of life suffer the consequences of alcoholism .

it is not as cut and dried as you would like to think.

twing

5,005 posts

131 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Impasse said:
Are you also one of those who think people with depression should just snap out of it?
Well said that man

grumbledoak

31,532 posts

233 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Alcoholism is not a disease, but it is an illness once they've "got" it.



btw, if anyone can identify the region of the brain responsible for "willpower" there is a Nobel Prize waiting for you...

GALLARDOGUY

8,160 posts

219 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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An addiction is self inflicted.

Cancer, depression etc are not.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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I am not sure what constitutes a "proper illness"

I can be sure that a Carrot is a "proper vegetable" though.

kambites

67,543 posts

221 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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GALLARDOGUY said:
An addiction is self inflicted.

Cancer, depression etc are not.
I think you'll find they often are. I suspect that, if not the majority, certainly a very large minority of cancer cases can be directly attributed to lifestyle choices. Even ignoring the obvious such as smoking, things like choice of diet has a huge effect on the odds of getting cancer.

Fishtigua

9,786 posts

195 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Christ, there's some self-righteous twaddle being shoveled out today.

What century are they living in? A bleeding and some leaches should fix the world.

StuntmanMike

11,671 posts

151 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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^^^rofl

Carrot

Original Poster:

7,294 posts

202 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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twing said:
Impasse said:
Are you also one of those who think people with depression should just snap out of it?
Well said that man
Not at all, people with depression have physical symptoms within the brain that the sufferer cannot control. You don't start drinking depression juice to get depression, therefore it is outside of your control to stop it.

Loudy McFatass

8,848 posts

187 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Carrot said:
Probably not going to make many friends on this thread, however after reading about the latest 'Gazza' event and loads of people in the news defending his 'illness' etc, this is actually a subject that angers me somewhat.

To me, whether you are addicted to something or not, you choose to do it. I was a smoker for many years (gave up two years ago), and although I was addicted, it was my choice to go out and buy the cigarettes and smoke them no matter how you look at it.

I have known friends and family to die of cancer, a proper 'illness' in it's own right. These people don't choose to have the symptoms of cancer or not, and they can't give up having cancer either.

Interested in the consensus of the forum, do you see an alcoholic as someone with an illness or a disease, or do you see them as someone who lacks willpower and judgement?

Carrot

Original Poster:

7,294 posts

202 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Impasse said:
Are you also one of those who think people with depression should just snap out of it?
Are you one of those people that think the obese are a victim of society and it is not their fault?

Corpulent Tosser

5,459 posts

245 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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desolate said:
I am not sure what constitutes a "proper illness"

I can be sure that a Carrot is a "proper vegetable" though.
yes

Carrot

Original Poster:

7,294 posts

202 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Corpulent Tosser said:
desolate said:
I am not sure what constitutes a "proper illness"

I can be sure that a Carrot is a "proper vegetable" though.
yes
How very childish.

Fishtigua

9,786 posts

195 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Carrot said:
Impasse said:
Are you also one of those who think people with depression should just snap out of it?
Are you one of those people that think the obese are a victim of society and it is not their fault?


Gosh, it must be otherworldly to be so free of sin.

Corpulent Tosser

5,459 posts

245 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Carrot said:
How very childish.
Yes, but if you start posts like you really cannot expect much else.

Of course alcoholism is an illness. It may be self inflicted, it may be avoidable, it may indicate lack of will power, but it is clearly an illness.

anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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Carrot said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
desolate said:
I am not sure what constitutes a "proper illness"

I can be sure that a Carrot is a "proper vegetable" though.
yes
How very childish.
One of my worst traits is laughing at my own jokes and it made me laugh.
Carry on with your debate and try not to get too angry.

TwigtheWonderkid

43,323 posts

150 months

Saturday 25th October 2014
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What constitutes an illness, disease, condition etc? I have no idea of the medical definitions.

If you were trapped on a desert island and you have cancer, it would get worse and you'd die. Sooner than you would otherwise. If an alcoholic was trapped on the same island, I assume they would start to recover. If they weren't rescued for 20 yrs, the alky may have broken the habit completely.

Can something be an illness if it always gets better without any medical intervention?

I'm not being flippant. I really don't know.