89 Year Old Poppy Seller Chucked Out By Morrisons

[Mr_B]

Mark Benson said:

Mr_B said:

Mark Benson said:

Busybody on Facebook with half a grasp of reality + Lots of people quick to take offence on behalf of others = viral nonsense and faux outrage + fodder for racist and xenophobic bellends.

I haven't seen the manager of the store, so are you saying he is now the victim of racists because of his skin colour or ethnic background ?

No.

Where's the race element then ? I don't get why you added that part and then why DeanR32 is in agreement with you on this, it's quite bizarre both of you condemn as aspect which as far as we know isn't present. Haven't you just made a mockery of what both of you were complaining about ?

[Mark Benson]

Mr_B said:

Mark Benson said:

Mr_B said:

Mark Benson said:

Busybody on Facebook with half a grasp of reality + Lots of people quick to take offence on behalf of others = viral nonsense and faux outrage + fodder for racist and xenophobic bellends.

I haven't seen the manager of the store, so are you saying he is now the victim of racists because of his skin colour or ethnic background ?

No.

Where's the race element then ? I don't get why you added that part and then why DeanR32 is in agreement with you on this, it's quite bizarre both of you condemn as aspect which as far as we know isn't present. Haven't you just made a mockery of what both of you were complaining about ?

Several posts have referred to Britain First using this non-story to further their agenda.

[Mr_B]

Mark Benson said:

Mr_B said:

Mark Benson said:

Mr_B said:

Mark Benson said:

Busybody on Facebook with half a grasp of reality + Lots of people quick to take offence on behalf of others = viral nonsense and faux outrage + fodder for racist and xenophobic bellends.

I haven't seen the manager of the store, so are you saying he is now the victim of racists because of his skin colour or ethnic background ?

No.

Where's the race element then ? I don't get why you added that part and then why DeanR32 is in agreement with you on this, it's quite bizarre both of you condemn as aspect which as far as we know isn't present. Haven't you just made a mockery of what both of you were complaining about ?

Several posts have referred to Britain First using this non-story to further their agenda.

To do what ? Stir up racism that doesn't exist ? If it furthers their agenda and there is no race aspect, then I guess it's some patriotic element about supporting veterans ?
If there is no race element, then its about as relevant as saying the anti abortion league posting it and are using it to further their agenda.

[TTwiggy]

Mr_B said:

Where's the race element then ? I don't get why you added that part and then why DeanR32 is in agreement with you on this, it's quite bizarre both of you condemn as aspect which as far as we know isn't present. Haven't you just made a mockery of what both of you were complaining about ?

You know those equally bogus stories which claim that a certain school/council/etc had banned the word 'Christmas' so as not to offend a certain demographic? Well nobody is directly racially abused there either, but the faux outrage caused can be used to further a racist agenda.

[Mr_B]

TTwiggy said:

Mr_B said:

Where's the race element then ? I don't get why you added that part and then why DeanR32 is in agreement with you on this, it's quite bizarre both of you condemn as aspect which as far as we know isn't present. Haven't you just made a mockery of what both of you were complaining about ?

You know those equally bogus stories which claim that a certain school/council/etc had banned the word 'Christmas' so as not to offend a certain demographic? Well nobody is directly racially abused there either, but the faux outrage caused can be used to further a racist agenda.

Not the same. If anyone was trying to suggest the manager is a Muslim or not some kinda patriotic white Englishman, then yes, it would have a race element and the likes of Britain First would make play with that.
I asked if this was the case and it seems not, so quite why people feel the need to condemn it as some how race related and attracting racists is baseless, but probably with the irony that we've reached full reverse madness but people adding that were there is none and the likes of DeanR32 is full agreement, bemoaning what isn't even present and being the people they complain about.

Your example at least contains a tiny element of why some might ask if there is a perceived race element based on a claim of banning the word Christmas , or such like. I must have missed something in this story because no one has claimed any racism and there is no basis to, not even of the flimsiest of evidence. Two white people having a non disagreement now has some race element questions asked and perceived. Madness.

[TTwiggy]

Mr_B said:

TTwiggy said:

Mr_B said:

Where's the race element then ? I don't get why you added that part and then why DeanR32 is in agreement with you on this, it's quite bizarre both of you condemn as aspect which as far as we know isn't present. Haven't you just made a mockery of what both of you were complaining about ?

You know those equally bogus stories which claim that a certain school/council/etc had banned the word 'Christmas' so as not to offend a certain demographic? Well nobody is directly racially abused there either, but the faux outrage caused can be used to further a racist agenda.

Not the same. If anyone was trying to suggest the manager is a Muslim or not some kinda patriotic white Englishman, then yes, it would have a race element and the likes of Britain First would make play with that.
I asked if this was the case and it seems not, so quite why people feel the need to condemn it as some how race related and attracting racists is baseless, but probably with the irony that we've reached full reverse madness but people adding that were there is none and the likes of DeanR32 is full agreement, bemoaning what isn't even present and being the people they complain about.

Your example at least contains a tiny element of why some might ask if there is a perceived race element based on a claim of banning the word Christmas , or such like. I must have missed something in this story because no one has claimed any racism and there is no basis to, not even of the flimsiest of evidence. Two white people having a non disagreement now has some race element questions asked and perceived. Madness.

You're probably right. I was really trying to explain how things could be spun out to suggest a racial undertone. I imagine that the likes of Britain First could say something along the lines of 'A war veteran who fought and died for his country was kicked out of a supermarket for selling poppies. Meanwhile they sell halal meat in there (sic) shop.' Nothing directly racist there, but it would be clear what the message was. But it's just a made up example by me of course and I have no idea how Britain First may have reported this as I have no wish to read their drivel.

[rscott]

TTwiggy said:

Mr_B said:

TTwiggy said:

Mr_B said:

Where's the race element then ? I don't get why you added that part and then why DeanR32 is in agreement with you on this, it's quite bizarre both of you condemn as aspect which as far as we know isn't present. Haven't you just made a mockery of what both of you were complaining about ?

You know those equally bogus stories which claim that a certain school/council/etc had banned the word 'Christmas' so as not to offend a certain demographic? Well nobody is directly racially abused there either, but the faux outrage caused can be used to further a racist agenda.

Not the same. If anyone was trying to suggest the manager is a Muslim or not some kinda patriotic white Englishman, then yes, it would have a race element and the likes of Britain First would make play with that.
I asked if this was the case and it seems not, so quite why people feel the need to condemn it as some how race related and attracting racists is baseless, but probably with the irony that we've reached full reverse madness but people adding that were there is none and the likes of DeanR32 is full agreement, bemoaning what isn't even present and being the people they complain about.

Your example at least contains a tiny element of why some might ask if there is a perceived race element based on a claim of banning the word Christmas , or such like. I must have missed something in this story because no one has claimed any racism and there is no basis to, not even of the flimsiest of evidence. Two white people having a non disagreement now has some race element questions asked and perceived. Madness.

You're probably right. I was really trying to explain how things could be spun out to suggest a racial undertone. I imagine that the likes of Britain First could say something along the lines of 'A war veteran who fought and died for his country was kicked out of a supermarket for selling poppies. Meanwhile they sell halal meat in there (sic) shop.' Nothing directly racist there, but it would be clear what the message was. But it's just a made up example by me of course and I have no idea how Britain First may have reported this as I have no wish to read their drivel.

Are you sure you haven't read the comments on their FB page? They're saying pretty much that. Plus several comments that if they were Moslem (their spelling..) then it wouldn't have happened.

I'm watching to see how this story grows - I've already seen versions where he's 90 and was forcibly ejected from the store. By the end of the week, he'll be a 102 year old in a wheelchair and it'll claim the collecting tins where stolen and sent to fund IS .

[TTwiggy]

rscott said:

Are you sure you haven't read the comments on their FB page? They're saying pretty much that. Plus several comments that if they were Moslem (their spelling..) then it wouldn't have happened.

I'm watching to see how this story grows - I've already seen versions where he's 90 and was forcibly ejected from the store. By the end of the week, he'll be a 102 year old in a wheelchair and it'll claim the collecting tins where stolen and sent to fund IS .

Nope, haven't read them. But it's depressingly easy to predict how these things will go.

[Mark Benson]

TTwiggy said:

rscott said:

Are you sure you haven't read the comments on their FB page? They're saying pretty much that. Plus several comments that if they were Moslem (their spelling..) then it wouldn't have happened.

I'm watching to see how this story grows - I've already seen versions where he's 90 and was forcibly ejected from the store. By the end of the week, he'll be a 102 year old in a wheelchair and it'll claim the collecting tins where stolen and sent to fund IS .

Nope, haven't read them. But it's depressingly easy to predict how these things will go.

Exactly, look at how Britain First are spinning this and every other Veteran story to paint a picture of a Britain that disrespects it's ex-servicemen and women at the expense of foreigners.
Their stock-in trade is twisting every story (or non-story in this case) to paint a picture of a Britain that would be better if only we respected servicemen and kicked out anyone who came from somewhere else. It's not the posters on PH that are conflating this story with race, it's the opportunist racists.

[DeanR32]

Mr_B said:

Mark Benson said:

Mr_B said:

Mark Benson said:

Busybody on Facebook with half a grasp of reality + Lots of people quick to take offence on behalf of others = viral nonsense and faux outrage + fodder for racist and xenophobic bellends.

I haven't seen the manager of the store, so are you saying he is now the victim of racists because of his skin colour or ethnic background ?

No.

Where's the race element then ? I don't get why you added that part and then why DeanR32 is in agreement with you on this, it's quite bizarre both of you condemn as aspect which as far as we know isn't present. Haven't you just made a mockery of what both of you were complaining about ?

Out of what Mark said, how come you picked out the racist bit? How about the "lots of people quick to take offence on behalf of others" bit?

And why would you instantly assume I'm agreeing with the racist bit? Why not the rest of what he said?

How does his story make you feel, out of curiosity?