UK axes support for Mediterranean migrant rescue operation
Discussion
thehawk said:
It really is tiresome to hear this over and over again. Disagree with leftist liberals and all they can do is start abusing people and screaming racist. They never offer a cohesive or reasonable argument, they just carry on with unrealistic ideas without a single thought about how they would work in reality.
Every f
king thread on here, in news comments and and on Facebook - unless you are #welcomerefugees you are scum of the earth apparently.
The left are the new right. Every f
king thread on here, in news comments and and on Facebook - unless you are #welcomerefugees you are scum of the earth apparently.I think accepting people direct from Syria is a great idea at least we get to see who they really are and if this could be done Europe wide it should help to curtail the activities of the smugglers.
Shouldn't this really all be dealt with by the UN and the poor sods in Syria could go anywhere in the world including the US.
Shouldn't this really all be dealt with by the UN and the poor sods in Syria could go anywhere in the world including the US.
johnxjsc1985 said:
I think accepting people direct from Syria is a great idea at least we get to see who they really are and if this could be done Europe wide it should help to curtail the activities of the smugglers.
Shouldn't this really all be dealt with by the UN and the poor sods in Syria could go anywhere in the world including the US.
Interestingly, we have UK residents emigrating to Syria on a seemingly weekly basis. Must be terrible over there.Shouldn't this really all be dealt with by the UN and the poor sods in Syria could go anywhere in the world including the US.
hidetheelephants said:
It possibly can't be dealt with at the UN due to Russia taking the opportunity to fk the EU over by vetoing any remotely sensible resolution.
Oh I forgot all about the silly games grown men can play. If the UN cannot act on something as serious as this what is the point really.k the EU over by vetoing any remotely sensible resolution.johnxjsc1985 said:
Oh I forgot all about the silly games grown men can play. If the UN cannot act on something as serious as this what is the point really.
It's also complicated by Russia wanting Assad to remain in power while there's no unanimity in the EU or elsewhere about what to do; some want him gone, some want to do nothing, the UK has flip-flopped more or less in tune with the US but there's no-one sticking their head over the parapet and suggesting practical ways of bringing the mess to some kind of conclusion. The only thing everyone seems to agree on is bombing the st out of IS, although even here the wheels are coming off the wagon now Turkey is bombing the Kurds, who are the only force making much progress on the ground. Erdogan pursuing his sectarian agenda may fk the whole thing up even more.hidetheelephants said:
It's also complicated by Russia wanting Assad to remain in power while there's no unanimity in the EU or elsewhere about what to do; some want him gone, some want to do nothing, the UK has flip-flopped more or less in tune with the US but there's no-one sticking their head over the parapet and suggesting practical ways of bringing the mess to some kind of conclusion. The only thing everyone seems to agree on is bombing the st out of IS, although even here the wheels are coming off the wagon now Turkey is bombing the Kurds, who are the only force making much progress on the ground. Erdogan pursuing his sectarian agenda may fk the whole thing up even more.
Partition Syria and Assad controls areas where the Shia/Alawite/Christians are most plentiful.t out of IS, although even here the wheels are coming off the wagon now Turkey is bombing the Kurds, who are the only force making much progress on the ground. Erdogan pursuing his sectarian agenda may fk the whole thing up even more.Support the Kurds in their region.
The Shia in Iraq seem to be holding their own.
The remainder territory - campaign by Assad, the US, Iraqis, Kurds & the Turks to squeeze the Saudi funded IS. Once you get rid of IS, the resident Sunnis make it their home.. Wishful thinking
Mermaid said:
Partition Syria and Assad controls areas where the Shia/Alawite/Christians are most plentiful.
Support the Kurds in their region.
The Shia in Iraq seem to be holding their own.
The remainder territory - campaign by Assad, the US, Iraqis, Kurds & the Turks to squeeze the Saudi funded IS. Once you get rid of IS, the resident Sunnis make it their home.. Wishful thinking
Not wishful thinking; it's real politik 2015. I'd cite Henry, but he's a Support the Kurds in their region.
The Shia in Iraq seem to be holding their own.
The remainder territory - campaign by Assad, the US, Iraqis, Kurds & the Turks to squeeze the Saudi funded IS. Once you get rid of IS, the resident Sunnis make it their home.. Wishful thinking
and should be in gaol.A refugee on R4 today " We heard that UK is a country of laws, where they respect other human beings, that's why we come here."
Germany, not the UK, is the number one EU destination for refugees (not that the typical PH whyohwhyohwhyer will ever believe that), and most refugees stay close to the country or region from which they have fled, often placing burdens on other undeveloped and troubled nations that they are ill equipped to deal with, but I think that the UK should be proud of the fact that it is still a place that desperate people want to come to.
Germany, not the UK, is the number one EU destination for refugees (not that the typical PH whyohwhyohwhyer will ever believe that), and most refugees stay close to the country or region from which they have fled, often placing burdens on other undeveloped and troubled nations that they are ill equipped to deal with, but I think that the UK should be proud of the fact that it is still a place that desperate people want to come to.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 7th September 22:16
Breadvan72 said:
I think that the UK should be proud of the fact that it is still a place that desperate people want to come to.
I agree entirely. But, how does this square with the title of this thread "UK axes support for Mediterranean migrant rescue operation"?This thread shouldn't really be about the migrant/refugee issue, although the separate matters are closely entwined. There are other threads on PH about migrants/refugees.
UK axes support for Mediterranean migrant rescue operation - Was that a proper reaction at the time>? In the light of current developments, is it still proper?
It's that time of year again.
A hundred refugees and migrants crammed into a small dinghy that started taking in water in the Mediterranean endured an agonising 30-hour wait before they were rescued, a maritime log passed to the Guardian has revealed. The incident happened over the Easter weekend, the unofficial start of the “sailing season”, which sees increased numbers of people attempting the crossing from Africa to Europe as the weather improves.
More than 8,000 migrants were rescued in the Mediterranean and brought to Italy in the space of just three days over Easter, as Italian politicians denounced the exodus as a racket that should be stopped as quickly as possible. Nearly 8,500 asylum seekers were saved from dinghies and ex-fishing boats by the Italian coast guard, Frontex, the EU’s border patrol agency, and humanitarian NGOs operating rescue vessels.
A hundred refugees and migrants crammed into a small dinghy that started taking in water in the Mediterranean endured an agonising 30-hour wait before they were rescued, a maritime log passed to the Guardian has revealed. The incident happened over the Easter weekend, the unofficial start of the “sailing season”, which sees increased numbers of people attempting the crossing from Africa to Europe as the weather improves.
More than 8,000 migrants were rescued in the Mediterranean and brought to Italy in the space of just three days over Easter, as Italian politicians denounced the exodus as a racket that should be stopped as quickly as possible. Nearly 8,500 asylum seekers were saved from dinghies and ex-fishing boats by the Italian coast guard, Frontex, the EU’s border patrol agency, and humanitarian NGOs operating rescue vessels.
One of the things that I most love about PH is that it makes Theresa May and her gang of hedgie hoodlums seem like beacons of human decency and compassion. Spend a few minutes in N,P &L and you start thinking that Marine Le Pen is quite moderate and maybe even a bit of a softy, really. I still regret the Mods' ruling that The Donald is too much of a communist and bleeding heart to be allowed to post here, although I suppose that they were right.
Breadvan72 said:
One of the things that I most love about PH is that it makes Theresa May and her gang of hedgie hoodlums seem like beacons of human decency and compassion. Spend a few minutes in N,P &L and you start thinking that Marine Le Pen is quite moderate and maybe even a bit of a softy, really. I still regret the Mods' ruling that The Donald is too much of a communist and bleeding heart to be allowed to post here, although I suppose that they were right.
Surely we are now a ta stage where we either;
Make sure they are safe / not going to drown and then take them back to Libya
or
Just run a ferry service straight to Italy.
The ferry service already exists but for some reason the Italians make you travel 30 miles or so in an unfit vessel before you can board the ferry.
Make sure they are safe / not going to drown and then take them back to Libya
or
Just run a ferry service straight to Italy.
The ferry service already exists but for some reason the Italians make you travel 30 miles or so in an unfit vessel before you can board the ferry.
Rovinghawk said:
BlackLabel said:
It's that time of year again.
Nearly 8,500 asylum seekers were saved from dinghies and ex-fishing boats by ...........humanitarian NGOs operating rescue vessels.
Shouldn't they be fined for bringing in illegal immigrants?Nearly 8,500 asylum seekers were saved from dinghies and ex-fishing boats by ...........humanitarian NGOs operating rescue vessels.
Groups such as:
MOAS
Medecins Sans Frontiers
Jugend Rettet
Save the Children
Proactiva Open Arms
Sea-Watch.org
Sea-Eye
Life|Boat
Edit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbIc1LZqIAw Heres a youtube of the video in question.
It was always a stupid idea to do anything but rescue migrants and drop them back where they departed from, anything else is just providing a Taxi service to Europe and encouraging more to follow, and causing more deaths.
We've seen in Calais how various so called charities and NGOs operate, they have a political agenda, they are not there to help/save people, they are there to facilitate mass immigration to Europe/UK.
It is inevitable that over time this would become nothing more than a service whereby people traffickers ring them up to arrange the final leg of the journey to Europe.
We've seen in Calais how various so called charities and NGOs operate, they have a political agenda, they are not there to help/save people, they are there to facilitate mass immigration to Europe/UK.
It is inevitable that over time this would become nothing more than a service whereby people traffickers ring them up to arrange the final leg of the journey to Europe.
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