Rich Socialists - do as I say, not as I do
Discussion
turbobloke said:
crankedup said:
Seems to me the pendulum has swung to far in favour of Employers at the moment.
Not so but not a problem anyway, the disaffected can start their own businesses if they don't like being an employee.TokyoSexwhale said:
turbobloke said:
crankedup said:
Seems to me the pendulum has swung to far in favour of Employers at the moment.
Not so but not a problem anyway, the disaffected can start their own businesses if they don't like being an employee.
Turbo, you say the pendulum of employment has not swung too far over to the employers benefit. Is this your personal belief/opinion or do you have some form of evidence to back this claim.
crankedup said:
TokyoSexwhale said:
turbobloke said:
crankedup said:
Seems to me the pendulum has swung to far in favour of Employers at the moment.
Not so but not a problem anyway, the disaffected can start their own businesses if they don't like being an employee.Maybe so but if everyone is doing OK and, heaven forbid, improving their lot then the only interest in the inevitable gaps - which Labour widened - comes from political agitators who want to exploit the lowest income families for their own ends. What business is it of Person A to know what Person B earns or is worth - none, unless B is paid from the public purse.
crankedup said:
For those who's only interest is money this is of no interest or consequence, presumably.
Surely if people are interested in money then it will indeed be of interest and if people are interested in getting more they won't hang around waiting for politicians to take it from somebody else and hand it over for no particular reason...except perhaps in the expectation of votes.crankedup said:
Personally, I am occupying myself with my own new 'start-up' business. A very modest affair which should help keep the grey matter ticking over during my retirement (now semi-retirement)
I remember you mentioned that and I remember wishing you well at the same time, something I want to echo now. Having been in the start-up position 20 years ago, looking back it was the best decision I could have made at the time.crankedup said:
Turbo, you say the pendulum of employment has not swung too far over to the employers benefit. Is this your personal belief/opinion or do you have some form of evidence to back this claim.
Trick question - there's no official pendulum statistic published by ONS My view is that the position has been brought closer to an appropriate balance, which is the only place to be, but with EU and government red tape and interference still around there's much that remains to be done. That near-balance looks to be maintained following the introduction of the Small Business, Enterprise and Employment Bill in June. Clegg isn't helping.
Edited by turbobloke on Saturday 1st November 18:06
TokyoSexwhale said:
Yup, don't like the job? Go and start your own business.
Of course. Most people don't have the privileges that allow you to just go out and set up your own business. When you start with nothing, abandoning your job to set up on your own is an enormous risk and I can absolutely understand why many wouldn't want to go through the months / potentially years of near poverty required to get something off the ground.
Imagine you just about earn enough to pay rent & bills - how are you possibly going to be able to save enough to start up? And once you've bought your equipment, rented workspace etc etc, what exactly do you live on?
Sorry, but the idea that anyone can just go out and start their own business at any time is incredibly unrealistic.
turbobloke said:
CamMoreRon said:
TokyoSexwhale said:
Yup, don't like the job? Go and start your own business.
Of course. Most people don't have the privileges that allow you to just go out and set up your own business.
CamMoreRon said:
turbobloke said:
CamMoreRon said:
TokyoSexwhale said:
Yup, don't like the job? Go and start your own business.
Of course. Most people don't have the privileges that allow you to just go out and set up your own business.
Ended up starting, building and eventually selling a company - world leader in its field, employing 500 people across 17 countries.
You just need to have the drive, he made the terminator look lazy.
He retired early and then spent his time helping others.
It's possible for anyone to do it, if you have the drive and tenacity it can happen.
Sure some people have it handed to them on a plate, but to think only those of privilege can achieve it is creating an excuse.
The thing is, he's now thought of as a silver spoon boy!
Funny that.
steveT350C said:
Tomorrow's Mail. Some sort of stitch up?
Here's where the money goes and what they have to say on the matter. Edited by steveT350C on Saturday 1st November 22:22
http://www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/2014/11/feminist-...
Mr_B said:
Here's where the money goes and what they have to say on the matter.
http://www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/2014/11/feminist-...
Ah, the 'it's not our fault' approach!http://www.fawcettsociety.org.uk/2014/11/feminist-...
Speaking of bad PR, I like the no win situation of Ed meeting a beggar best, and giving her 2p ?
Not sure what the lead up to this was, but oh how he must have cringed inside with all those cameras seeing that photo op coming. Could have only got better if she'd said ' thank you for letting me come to your country to beg' .
Not sure what the lead up to this was, but oh how he must have cringed inside with all those cameras seeing that photo op coming. Could have only got better if she'd said ' thank you for letting me come to your country to beg' .
CamMoreRon said:
Most people don't have the privileges that allow you to just go out and set up your own business. When you start with nothing, abandoning your job to set up on your own is an enormous risk and I can absolutely understand why many wouldn't want to go through the months / potentially years of near poverty required to get something off the ground.
Imagine you just about earn enough to pay rent & bills - how are you possibly going to be able to save enough to start up? And once you've bought your equipment, rented workspace etc etc, what exactly do you live on?
Sorry, but the idea that anyone can just go out and start their own business at any time is incredibly unrealistic.
Coming up to age 30 I had nothing but the clothes I stood up in plus a lot of stories starting "No sImagine you just about earn enough to pay rent & bills - how are you possibly going to be able to save enough to start up? And once you've bought your equipment, rented workspace etc etc, what exactly do you live on?
Sorry, but the idea that anyone can just go out and start their own business at any time is incredibly unrealistic.
t, there I was.............". I decided it was time to stop having fun & start earning a decent living for myself.I found a series of clients willing to believe in me & I worked hard. Whilst others were safely ensconced in the pub, I was grafting.
These days I'm one of those that you don't trust because I have a good income. I did it from pretty much nothing & don't accept that others can't do something similar.
Capitalists are all about making wealth- socialist are all about taking it & redistributing it to those who didn't make the effort.
Rovinghawk said:
Coming up to age 30 I had nothing but the clothes I stood up in plus a lot of stories starting "No st, there I was.............". I decided it was time to stop having fun & start earning a decent living for myself.
I found a series of clients willing to believe in me & I worked hard. Whilst others were safely ensconced in the pub, I was grafting.
These days I'm one of those that you don't trust because I have a good income. I did it from pretty much nothing & don't accept that others can't do something similar.
Capitalists are all about making wealth- socialist are all about taking it & redistributing it to those who didn't make the effort.
While I have the utmost respect for those who start from nothing and are successful, not everybody has the sheer strength of will to go for it. Of course anybody posessing the drive & determination can start a business and succeed, but very few people have that, so logic would suggest that very few people are able to do it.t, there I was.............". I decided it was time to stop having fun & start earning a decent living for myself.I found a series of clients willing to believe in me & I worked hard. Whilst others were safely ensconced in the pub, I was grafting.
These days I'm one of those that you don't trust because I have a good income. I did it from pretty much nothing & don't accept that others can't do something similar.
Capitalists are all about making wealth- socialist are all about taking it & redistributing it to those who didn't make the effort.
If you're legit on the tax front and happy to make your contribution then I have no reason not to trust you.
I've just turned 30 and will be quitting my job to start up by myself in a few short months, so with any luck I might be telling some whipper-snapper the same story in some years' time.
Edited by CamMoreRon on Sunday 2nd November 01:13
CamMoreRon said:
While I have the utmost respect for those who start from nothing and are successful, not everybody has the sheer strength of will to go for it. Of course anybody posessing the drive & determination can start a business and succeed, but very few people have that, so logic would suggest that very few people are able to do it.
If you're legit on the tax front and happy to make your contribution then I have no reason not to trust you.
I've just turned 30 and will be quitting my job to start up by myself in a few short months, so with any luck I might be telling some whipper-snapper the same story in some years' time.
So are you resigning from the 'tax avoiding' firm you currently work for on 'moral grounds'??If you're legit on the tax front and happy to make your contribution then I have no reason not to trust you.
I've just turned 30 and will be quitting my job to start up by myself in a few short months, so with any luck I might be telling some whipper-snapper the same story in some years' time.
(you never returned back to the Facebook thread you started once your potential hypocrisy was revealed, so we are still a bit in the dark. Hope that you can confirm ome way or the other...)!
CamMoreRon said:
not everybody has the sheer strength of will to go for it. Of course anybody posessing the drive & determination can start a business and succeed, but very few people have that, so logic would suggest that very few people are able to do it.
That's very different from the 'privilege' you mentioned earlier, though.CamMoreRon said:
If you're legit on the tax front and happy to make your contribution
To quote Bob Hope- I'm proud to be a contributor but I could be just as proud on half the money. No, I'm not happy to support idle buggers.Mr_B said:
Speaking of bad PR, I like the no win situation of Ed meeting a beggar best, and giving her 2p ?
Not sure what the lead up to this was, but oh how he must have cringed inside with all those cameras seeing that photo op coming. Could have only got better if she'd said ' thank you for letting me come to your country to beg' .
Not sure what the lead up to this was, but oh how he must have cringed inside with all those cameras seeing that photo op coming. Could have only got better if she'd said ' thank you for letting me come to your country to beg' .
Rovinghawk said:
That's very different from the 'privilege' you mentioned earlier, though.
Well yeah we sidetracked slightly.. not everybody has the willpower to start with nothing and go for it. It's much easier if you have, say.. well-off parents, a stable background, a well paid job, an opportunity presented to you, an inheritance - things like that, that not everyone has.sidicks said:
So are you resigning from the 'tax avoiding' firm you currently work for on 'moral grounds'??
You never returned back to the Facebook thread you started once your potential hypocrisy was revealed, so we are still a bit in the dark. Hope that you can confirm ome way or the other.
I'm not sure which firm you're talking about, exactly; but I'm sure you can understand why I'm not going to comment on my employer's tax behaviour while I am still working there.You never returned back to the Facebook thread you started once your potential hypocrisy was revealed, so we are still a bit in the dark. Hope that you can confirm ome way or the other.
However: the worker who demands fairer pay is not made a hypocrite by continuing to work for a company that doesn't pay well. That is as far as I will engage you ad-hominem, Sid. If you want to talk more, contribute to the discussion with something relevant.
crankedup said:
We have to look and understand why these mines were closed by Labour politics. Likely find that these mines were not closed for political reasons but for commercial common sense.
Why? why do we have to do this? The Left never even consider this aspect, let alone mention it, in the context of Thatch's closures. Are you saying every single mine she shut was simply out of spite? Or just some?When you say "commercial common sense reasons" do you mean the reason of removing the ability of a few overpaid underworked subsidy-sucking communists to the hold the entire f
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