Rich Socialists - do as I say, not as I do
Discussion
Mr_B said:
Speaking of bad PR, I like the no win situation of Ed meeting a beggar best, and giving her 2p ?
Not sure what the lead up to this was, but oh how he must have cringed inside with all those cameras seeing that photo op coming. Could have only got better if she'd said ' thank you for letting me come to your country to beg' .
That pic is a classic, right up there with the bacon butty gem.Not sure what the lead up to this was, but oh how he must have cringed inside with all those cameras seeing that photo op coming. Could have only got better if she'd said ' thank you for letting me come to your country to beg' .
CamMoreRon said:
I'm not sure which firm you're talking about, exactly...
Liar. You should realise I never named them specifically so you don't get in trouble but as you're supposedly about to quit now I'm not sure why you bothered to complain and have me banned. Great to see you posting in the 'do as I say, not as I do' thread. You should change you're name to CamMoreIrony.Andy Zarse said:
crankedup said:
We have to look and understand why these mines were closed by Labour politics. Likely find that these mines were not closed for political reasons but for commercial common sense.
Why? why do we have to do this? The Left never even consider this aspect, let alone mention it, in the context of Thatch's closures. Are you saying every single mine she shut was simply out of spite? Or just some?When you say "commercial common sense reasons" do you mean the reason of removing the ability of a few overpaid underworked subsidy-sucking communists to the hold the entire f
king country to ransom?Your second para', whilst we talk about 'holding the Country to ransom' this mirrors the investment banking industry reactions to proposed and activated new regulation policies. The constant bleat from them is 'let us do what we want or we leave the Country'. The only difference in attitude toward the U.K. from both groups of workers is the time lapse of forty years! Seems to me that bankers damaged the Nations finances far more than any coal miner could ever accomplish.
Thatcher and her Government will always be despised, I would imagine, as much for closing the mining industry as the lack of forethought into how the sacked workers would be able to earn a crust.
fblm said:
Liar. You should realise I never named them specifically so you don't get in trouble but as you're supposedly about to quit now I'm not sure why you bothered to complain and have me banned. Great to see you posting in the 'do as I say, not as I do' thread. You should change you're name to CamMoreIrony.
I do also like the posts of 'you have to be privileged to start your own business'Followed by
'I'm starting my own business in a few months'
crankedup said:
Thatcher and her Government will always be despised, I would imagine, as much for closing the mining industry as the lack of forethought into how the sacked workers would be able to earn a crust.
Yup, make sure the miners are happy while the country falters.Not that I can be bothered to argue, but we both know her government had a net positive impact on the country, present and future.
(Waiting for Tony & Gord to come and ruin it)
CamMoreRon said:
I'm not sure which firm you're talking about, exactly; but I'm sure you can understand why I'm not going to comment on my employer's tax behaviour while I am still working there.
Happy enough to criticise the (non?!) tax avoidance of other companies but happy to overlook the situation of the company that pays your wages - the very definition of hypocrisy!CamMoreRon said:
However: the worker who demands fairer pay is not made a hypocrite by continuing to work for a company that doesn't pay well.
Eh?CamMoreRon said:
That is as far as I will engage you ad-hominem, Sid. If you want to talk more, contribute to the discussion with something relevant.
Very relevant, given the discussion is about socialists and 'do as i say, not as i do'...!!
TokyoSexwhale said:
I do also like the posts of 'you have to be privileged to start your own business'
Followed by
'I'm starting my own business in a few months'
Not even my actual words, but nevertheless taken completely out of context.Followed by
'I'm starting my own business in a few months'
You boys can try and derail this thread to continue your ongoing campaign against me, I'll just keep reporting you.
fblm said:
Liar. You should realise I never named them specifically so you don't get in trouble but as you're supposedly about to quit now I'm not sure why you bothered to complain and have me banned. Great to see you posting in the 'do as I say, not as I do' thread. You should change you're name to CamMoreIrony.
N'aww.. he's all precious because he got banned. Heartbreaking. 
crankedup said:
Andy Zarse said:
crankedup said:
We have to look and understand why these mines were closed by Labour politics. Likely find that these mines were not closed for political reasons but for commercial common sense.
Why? why do we have to do this? The Left never even consider this aspect, let alone mention it, in the context of Thatch's closures. Are you saying every single mine she shut was simply out of spite? Or just some?When you say "commercial common sense reasons" do you mean the reason of removing the ability of a few overpaid underworked subsidy-sucking communists to the hold the entire f
king country to ransom?Your second para', whilst we talk about 'holding the Country to ransom' this mirrors the investment banking industry reactions to proposed and activated new regulation policies. The constant bleat from them is 'let us do what we want or we leave the Country'. The only difference in attitude toward the U.K. from both groups of workers is the time lapse of forty years! Seems to me that bankers damaged the Nations finances far more than any coal miner could ever accomplish.
Thatcher and her Government will always be despised, I would imagine, as much for closing the mining industry as the lack of forethought into how the sacked workers would be able to earn a crust.
CamMoreRon said:
Of course.
Most people don't have the privileges that allow you to just go out and set up your own business. When you start with nothing, abandoning your job to set up on your own is an enormous risk and I can absolutely understand why many wouldn't want to go through the months / potentially years of near poverty required to get something off the ground.
Imagine you just about earn enough to pay rent & bills - how are you possibly going to be able to save enough to start up? And once you've bought your equipment, rented workspace etc etc, what exactly do you live on?
Sorry, but the idea that anyone can just go out and start their own business at any time is incredibly unrealistic.
Most people don't have the privileges that allow you to just go out and set up your own business. When you start with nothing, abandoning your job to set up on your own is an enormous risk and I can absolutely understand why many wouldn't want to go through the months / potentially years of near poverty required to get something off the ground.
Imagine you just about earn enough to pay rent & bills - how are you possibly going to be able to save enough to start up? And once you've bought your equipment, rented workspace etc etc, what exactly do you live on?
Sorry, but the idea that anyone can just go out and start their own business at any time is incredibly unrealistic.
CamMoreRon said:
I've just turned 30 and will be quitting my job to start up by myself in a few short months, so with any luck I might be telling some whipper-snapper the same story in some years' time.
Those are your words, the same.Edited by CamMoreRon on Sunday 2nd November 01:13
I like the approach of reporting people who's point of view differs with yours. You won't be able to do that when you set your business up.
As you're denying your own words (as above) there's no point trying to debate with you.
Cheerio.
NicD said:
completely agree re comparison of inv bankers vs striking miners
A very poor comparison.In the former those people are simply warning that imposing significant additional regulatory burdens and costs on an industry that contributes significantly to the economy is a very bad idea, given the relative ease with which these people can do the same jobs in a different jurisdiction.
In the latter case, the government (taxpayers) was subsidising one particular industry that had no long term future and the striking miners were trying to hold the country to ransom to achieve even greater subsidies.
TokyoSexwhale said:
CamMoreRon said:
I've just turned 30 and will be quitting my job to start up by myself in a few short months, so with any luck I might be telling some whipper-snapper the same story in some years' time.
Those are your words, the same.I like the approach of reporting people who's point of view differs with yours. You won't be able to do that when you set your business up.
As you're denying your own words (as above) there's no point trying to debate with you.
Cheerio.
I only reported posts that were either directly insulting me with absolutely zero relevance to the topic - of which there were many - or were attempting to obtain and share details of my personal and professional life. I think that's pretty reasonable.
Anyway.. can we drop it and get back on topic?
CamMoreRon said:
I only reported posts that were either directly insulting me with absolutely zero relevance to the topic - of which there were many - or were attempting to obtain and share details of my personal and professional life. I think that's pretty reasonable.
Were you reported for all of your posts insulting people? Or did other people realise that this wasn't a school playground and that ou should grow up a bit...? And of course being a hypocrite is certainly worthy of discussion, when you consider the nature of the threads you have created and the (false) claims that you have made.
Edited by sidicks on Sunday 2nd November 14:41
CamMoreRon said:
If you want to discuss anything further, PM me and I'll be happy to talk. Otherwise, keep your pettiness to yourself and don't derail yet another discussion with ad-hom garbage.
Says the person that repeatedly resorts to insulting others...I thought the thread was about how pathetic it is when certain people vociferously spout what others should do, while doing someting entirely different themselves.
It would appear that this is actually a thread where you can add something from actual experience...
CamMoreRon said:
Well.. take a wild guess as to what I meant by that? Maybe you have noticed I'm quite stubborn and strong willed, so with a bit of luck and some hard work I might be able to go from having nothing to a business that works. We shall see.. I'm certainly confident enough to give it a try.
I only reported posts that were either directly insulting me with absolutely zero relevance to the topic - of which there were many - or were attempting to obtain and share details of my personal and professional life. I think that's pretty reasonable.
I only reported posts that were either directly insulting me with absolutely zero relevance to the topic - of which there were many - or were attempting to obtain and share details of my personal and professional life. I think that's pretty reasonable.
CamMoreRon said:
If you want to discuss anything further, PM me and I'll be happy to talk. Otherwise, keep your pettiness to yourself and don't derail yet another discussion with ad-hom garbage.
meh.To be honest, I'm surprised you've lasted as long as this on here, perhaps the mods appreciate your comedy value.
sidicks said:
Says the person that repeatedly resorts to insulting others...
I thought the thread was about how pathetic it is when certain people vociferously spout what others should do, while doing someting entirely different themselves.
It would appear that this is actually a thread where you can add something from actual experience...
Do you see the language you're using? Maybe you should take a quick look back through the way you've talked to me on several threads that I've been trying to maintain a reasonable discussion on, and see whether or not it's you who is the hypocrite here. I've seen a lot of your posts and you're the same in almost every single one - confrontational, dismissive, and patronising to anyone who doesn't share your view. You're a troll at best. I thought the thread was about how pathetic it is when certain people vociferously spout what others should do, while doing someting entirely different themselves.
It would appear that this is actually a thread where you can add something from actual experience...
I told you if you want to discuss anything further then contact me directly using the PM link on my profile. I had a strong suspicion that you wouldn't have the balls, and I guess I was right! Prove me wrong: I'd really enjoy putting you in your place when you don't have the comfort of your forum friends.
You will get no further response from me on this subject on this forum.
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