Rich Socialists - do as I say, not as I do
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They're supposed to pay tax they don't owe, apparently!TTwiggy said:
I can't be bothered to critique the whole thing, but that's lazy journalism right there. The clean up at Glastonbury is carried out by volunteers who get free tickets for their efforts. This is by far the easiest and cheapest way to deal with the rubbish and leaves the site as clean as it is found. If the rest of the blog is as poorly researched as this then it can be safely consigned to the (eco-friendly) bin.
That was quite late in the blog. Did you jump straight to it?I don't actually see the relevance or accuracy in the blog for the Glastonbury bit (so I do agree with you on that). But in general, I'm sick of hearing the likes of Brand (or whatever his name is) talking about how 'We' aren't going to put up with politics and big business anymore. I have some sympathy with the sentiment but it's utterly hollow coming from a wealthy media tart like him.
And I suppose on the other side of the coin. Our free market capitalists are not as 'free market' when the banks are under a bit of pressure and need a bail out - weakest fail and strongest survive... Unless the state have a vested interest in saving the weakest.
Hungrymc said:
That was quite late in the blog. Did you jump straight to it?
I don't actually see the relevance or accuracy in the blog for the Glastonbury bit (so I do agree with you on that). But in general, I'm sick of hearing the likes of Brand (or whatever his name is) talking about how 'We' aren't going to put up with politics and big business anymore. I have some sympathy with the sentiment but it's utterly hollow coming from a wealthy media tart like him.
And I suppose on the other side of the coin. Our free market capitalists are not as 'free market' when the banks are under a bit of pressure and need a bail out - weakest fail and strongest survive... Unless the state have a vested interest in saving the weakest.
I admit that I scan read it and that bit jumped out at me as it was patently wrong and a cheap shot in order to try to prove a point. If a lefty blogger had misrepresented something in that way then I would expect people to be all over it.I don't actually see the relevance or accuracy in the blog for the Glastonbury bit (so I do agree with you on that). But in general, I'm sick of hearing the likes of Brand (or whatever his name is) talking about how 'We' aren't going to put up with politics and big business anymore. I have some sympathy with the sentiment but it's utterly hollow coming from a wealthy media tart like him.
And I suppose on the other side of the coin. Our free market capitalists are not as 'free market' when the banks are under a bit of pressure and need a bail out - weakest fail and strongest survive... Unless the state have a vested interest in saving the weakest.
fblm said:
I read the article and was a bit embarrased for the Telegraph to be honest. Lame article. Are they going to start bashing leftys for using their personal allowance next?
Read up about the inheritance tax, and you'll find that its ancestor was put in place to stop the concentration of wealth in the hands of a few obscenely rich families. It is really the original socialist tax, and to say "I'm going to keep my money away from the great unwashed because my relatives are more deserving" is about the most hypocritical thing in the world.FredClogs said:
Socialist, bunch of 
s, eh!
Tsk...
Any of you "capitalist" pigs care to explain to a thicko at the back of the class exactly what you think a "socialist" is?
Some s, eh!Tsk...
Any of you "capitalist" pigs care to explain to a thicko at the back of the class exactly what you think a "socialist" is?
that knows how to spend no sorry waste other peoples money , makes sure there is a glass ceiling for the poor to hit and lives a comfortable life while banging on about fairness. See poly Toynbee !!!I read the blog on Hypocritocracy.
Glad it wasn’t just me who found the tired verbiage hard to swallow from a would-be journo.
Those millions of ‘youngsters’ take the anti-state line hook and sinker because they are part (the paying part) of the con job called Show Business. Their heroes go from star struck ingenues to believing their PR in remarkable haste. Then continue to perpetuate the myths because their contracts persuade them to perform like seals. The gullible masses of course suck it up without realising the title is self-explanatory. It’s Show…. And …Business.
Sorry OP, back to Hypocrisy. Benn was the master of telling everybody how everything was bound to go wrong, after it had happened. He was a history buff who had nothing to do but find fault using solutions that dead clever people had long before unravelled and published. Not one original thought or solution came to trouble him and the lefties all loved it, a born again commoner who appeared to be a jovial uncle to the masses. Very personable rogue.
But….he did nothing wrong in his tax affairs. Unless you take in to account the failure to lobby for changes to the tax system while he was in parliament, which you would think would be in line with his alleged political philosophy. That applies to every Socialist there has ever been so he is unremarkable in that matter as well.
Socialism is great if you have riches of your own, or are put in a position to become rich on the backs of others. They devise a system that makes it easy for favoured acolytes to coast on the dogma of Equality (the backs of others) and then get very angsty about dissenters.
Fred, there's your definition.
Glad it wasn’t just me who found the tired verbiage hard to swallow from a would-be journo.
Those millions of ‘youngsters’ take the anti-state line hook and sinker because they are part (the paying part) of the con job called Show Business. Their heroes go from star struck ingenues to believing their PR in remarkable haste. Then continue to perpetuate the myths because their contracts persuade them to perform like seals. The gullible masses of course suck it up without realising the title is self-explanatory. It’s Show…. And …Business.
Sorry OP, back to Hypocrisy. Benn was the master of telling everybody how everything was bound to go wrong, after it had happened. He was a history buff who had nothing to do but find fault using solutions that dead clever people had long before unravelled and published. Not one original thought or solution came to trouble him and the lefties all loved it, a born again commoner who appeared to be a jovial uncle to the masses. Very personable rogue.
But….he did nothing wrong in his tax affairs. Unless you take in to account the failure to lobby for changes to the tax system while he was in parliament, which you would think would be in line with his alleged political philosophy. That applies to every Socialist there has ever been so he is unremarkable in that matter as well.
Socialism is great if you have riches of your own, or are put in a position to become rich on the backs of others. They devise a system that makes it easy for favoured acolytes to coast on the dogma of Equality (the backs of others) and then get very angsty about dissenters.
Fred, there's your definition.
FredClogs said:
Socialist, bunch of s, eh!
Tsk...
Any of you "capitalist" pigs care to explain to a thicko at the back of the class exactly what you think a "socialist" is?
You clearly didn't go to the Socialist Eton, did you?s, eh!Tsk...
Any of you "capitalist" pigs care to explain to a thicko at the back of the class exactly what you think a "socialist" is?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holland_Park_School
ellroy said:
Sorry Soovy, and this is news to you beacause......?
Socialists have always been the same hypocritical no marks who want to spend your money how they see fit with little or no accountability. See green movement for further details on request.
Arthur Scargill, Tony Benn, Tony Blair, Lord Prescott the list goes on and on.
They trade on the utter naivity, and many cases downright stupidity, of the electorate who in many parts of this island nation would vote for a bloody pig if it wore a red rosette.
The Labour party/left wing movement have absolutely no interest in lifting people out of poverty, usual caveats apply to this term, as it would remove them from the political landscape in a generation.
Vested interests, much?
i am very disappointed ellroy, how could you miss out the kinnocks. possibly the epitome of good socialists.Socialists have always been the same hypocritical no marks who want to spend your money how they see fit with little or no accountability. See green movement for further details on request.
Arthur Scargill, Tony Benn, Tony Blair, Lord Prescott the list goes on and on.
They trade on the utter naivity, and many cases downright stupidity, of the electorate who in many parts of this island nation would vote for a bloody pig if it wore a red rosette.
The Labour party/left wing movement have absolutely no interest in lifting people out of poverty, usual caveats apply to this term, as it would remove them from the political landscape in a generation.
Vested interests, much?
FredClogs said:
Socialist, bunch of s, eh!
Tsk...
Any of you "capitalist" pigs care to explain to a thicko at the back of the class exactly what you think a "socialist" is?
Someone who believes in state ownership of some or all means of production and/or the forced redistribution of wealth, with the (unintended) effect that ownership benefits are concentrated in the hands of government officials rather than the general population who theoretically own it, as well as a lack of economic growth and social mobility.s, eh!Tsk...
Any of you "capitalist" pigs care to explain to a thicko at the back of the class exactly what you think a "socialist" is?
fblm said:
I read the article and was a bit embarrased for the Telegraph to be honest. Lame article. Are they going to start bashing leftys for using their personal allowance next?
It is a rather pathetic article that completely dies a death near the end. But is appeals to a few Toryboy PHers so it's par for the course for the Telegraph.Digga said:
Can we talk about Billy Bragg now? 
I've always liked that he writes his own songs and having the copywrite and selling a few records is going to make you less poor. Anyway, I like his music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liNnCKPeEv0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbDQhpGof6M&in...
That he doesn't quite have to worry about money, doesn't mean his politics are wrong.
Zyp said:
I only know one Billy Bragg song.
Surely he's not good enough to have enough money to be declared a Champagne Socialist?
He's done quite well. Not U2/Metallica let's buy an island well, but ok. He writes his own songs and has toured extensively. Surely he's not good enough to have enough money to be declared a Champagne Socialist?
I don't buy the view that someone with a social conscience has to be poor. Sadly though, some people won't ever accept anyone with a left of centre view - and if they make a bit of cash then they're seen as hypocrites while if all they have to their name is a pair of soiled pants they're losers who have no idea of how the real world works.
FredClogs said:
Any of you "capitalist" pigs care to explain to a thicko at the back of the class exactly what you think a "socialist" is?
From what I can tell, it's a person who deviates in any way / shape / form from the right-wing neoliberal hard line; epitomised by jealous rage and swivel-eyes, whatever that means. (I assume it's something like those googly-eye stickers, except they hate google, so choose a more open-source, eco-friendly swivel)Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff