Rich Socialists - do as I say, not as I do
Discussion
turbobloke said:
crankedup said:
CamMoreRon said:
smegmore said:
wow.
Have you just beamed in from the 1920s ?
Probably just beamed in from Murdoch's bumhole.Have you just beamed in from the 1920s ?
Countdown said:
edh said:
Not quite - he took the average engineering wage in Coventry, so not a "king's ransom" by any means. But I'll settle for half a sock, with custard 
Ah yes but he should have taken the average wage of somebody in Burkina Faso, otherwise he's not a proper "Socialist".All socialists should, by definition, be living under bridges wearing sackcloths innit.
Perhaps being a socialist/egalitarian/syndicalist just means not being a
?
Inheritance tax is inherently immoral. What Benn did was just sensible wealth planning for his family, not tax avoidance.
This was a "sensible practical arrangement".
article said:
Elaborate tax-planning schemes, including investments specially constructed for the purposes of cutting tax bills, have been under fire from HMRC and other quarters for several years. But the sorts of arrangements described here are generally viewed as "practical steps" taken as part of wider tax planning and tax efficiency.
Mr Ludwig said: "We have got to the point where there is an unhelpful blur between sensible, practical arrangements which are simply tax efficient, and the sorts of aggressive avoidance schemes which make the front pages.
Mr Ludwig said: "We have got to the point where there is an unhelpful blur between sensible, practical arrangements which are simply tax efficient, and the sorts of aggressive avoidance schemes which make the front pages.
This was a "sensible practical arrangement".
unrepentant said:
Inheritance tax is inherently immoral. What Benn did was just sensible wealth planning for his family, not tax avoidance.
This was a "sensible practical arrangement".
So "tax planning" isn't tax avoidance? Isnt this exactly what Benn did?article said:
Elaborate tax-planning schemes, including investments specially constructed for the purposes of cutting tax bills, have been under fire from HMRC and other quarters for several years. But the sorts of arrangements described here are generally viewed as "practical steps" taken as part of wider tax planning and tax efficiency.
Mr Ludwig said: "We have got to the point where there is an unhelpful blur between sensible, practical arrangements which are simply tax efficient, and the sorts of aggressive avoidance schemes which make the front pages.
Mr Ludwig said: "We have got to the point where there is an unhelpful blur between sensible, practical arrangements which are simply tax efficient, and the sorts of aggressive avoidance schemes which make the front pages.
This was a "sensible practical arrangement".
Some amazing displays of mental gymnastics in this thread.
edh said:
I just showed you one
No, you didn't. You showed me another trougher with his snout dug deep in the expenses trough, who notably kept the solid gold pensions he was offered which using a conservative estimate are worth half his total pay.If that is the best you've got then you don't have anything.
ukwill said:
In matters of finance and economics I find the Telegraph to be more balanced. But then compared to the Graun, that isn't much of an accolade.
I agree but this article is as bad as any Guardian style "Tax avoidance costs tax payers £XXXbn" type drivel and just comes across as a petty swipe at a man who can't rip them a new one in response. Pathetic and embarrasing to read.crankedup said:
No such thing as Socialists in the U.K. well other than a few true die-hards. Most are almost centre Politics. That aside you clearly have a serious grudge having drowned in Socialist spite and dogma. Union member by any chance, just curious?
That's an outrageous slur! Never in my life have I joined such scum.... Well, except the student union when I was a kid because it was the easiest id to get where you could fake the date of birth.fblm said:
I agree but this article is as bad as any Guardian style "Tax avoidance costs tax payers £XXXbn" type drivel and just comes across as a petty swipe at a man who can't rip them a new one in response. Pathetic and embarrasing to read.
It's an article that points out the hypocrisy of an (apparently) ardent socialist. One revered by many on the left. Isn't that all its intended to be?LucreLout said:
edh said:
I just showed you one
No, you didn't. You showed me another trougher with his snout dug deep in the expenses trough, who notably kept the solid gold pensions he was offered which using a conservative estimate are worth half his total pay.If that is the best you've got then you don't have anything.
LucreLout said:
edh said:
I just showed you one
No, you didn't. You showed me another trougher with his snout dug deep in the expenses trough, who notably kept the solid gold pensions he was offered which using a conservative estimate are worth half his total pay.If that is the best you've got then you don't have anything.
What would you be happy with? Maybe he should have donated a kidney or three to an orphanage? The chap had a family so he took a living wage to support that family.
edh said:
Huh? I'm afraid you're lost to reason and debate. Comrade Nellist is about as far from a "trougher" as you can get. Anyway, you can return to your prejudices now...
So he didn't live on expenses in addition to half his base pay? I think we all know that isn't true.If you think he gave up the solid gold pensions, then you're fooling yourself. Prove he did or accept he didn't.
Just because you drank the cool aid doesn't mean the rest of us can't see.
I'll accept Nellist being less of a trougher than Blair or Brown, but he's just another unequal socialist banking money while pretending to represent the working man. Working men who don't get expenses and final salary pensions and one gravy train ticket after another.
ukwill said:
unrepentant said:
Inheritance tax is inherently immoral. What Benn did was just sensible wealth planning for his family, not tax avoidance.
This was a "sensible practical arrangement".
So "tax planning" isn't tax avoidance? Isnt this exactly what Benn did?article said:
Elaborate tax-planning schemes, including investments specially constructed for the purposes of cutting tax bills, have been under fire from HMRC and other quarters for several years. But the sorts of arrangements described here are generally viewed as "practical steps" taken as part of wider tax planning and tax efficiency.
Mr Ludwig said: "We have got to the point where there is an unhelpful blur between sensible, practical arrangements which are simply tax efficient, and the sorts of aggressive avoidance schemes which make the front pages.
Mr Ludwig said: "We have got to the point where there is an unhelpful blur between sensible, practical arrangements which are simply tax efficient, and the sorts of aggressive avoidance schemes which make the front pages.
This was a "sensible practical arrangement".
Some amazing displays of mental gymnastics in this thread.
TTwiggy said:
Presumably you have evidence that Nellist abused his expenses then? As otherwise you're straying into areas of slander. Also, he was deselected in 1991, so I doubt his pension is worth much in the way of gold.
I hope you're not a lawyer or you'll bankrupt your clients.I made no claim he fraudulently claimed expenses, only that he claimed them. Unequal with the working man you see.
He was deselected then parachuted into a nice lucrative and secure council job. Hardly out earning a crust with the working man is it?
LucreLout said:
edh said:
Huh? I'm afraid you're lost to reason and debate. Comrade Nellist is about as far from a "trougher" as you can get. Anyway, you can return to your prejudices now...
So he didn't live on expenses in addition to half his base pay? I think we all know that isn't true.If you think he gave up the solid gold pensions, then you're fooling yourself. Prove he did or accept he didn't.
Just because you drank the cool aid doesn't mean the rest of us can't see.
I'll accept Nellist being less of a trougher than Blair or Brown, but he's just another unequal socialist banking money while pretending to represent the working man. Working men who don't get expenses and final salary pensions and one gravy train ticket after another.
"Show me a socialist that doesn't avoid tax. Show me a socialist that declines any compensation above the national average. Show me a socialist that pays anymore tax than the least they can get away with. They don't exist. They never did."
and I did. I have no need to do any more. You'll keep setting the bar higher in an attempt to prove some odd kind of point. Mind you, what a b
d, claiming expenses to travel and live in London to represent his constituents! these socialists... btw I'm a "working man", & when I travel to do work for my clients, I bill them for travel and accommodation expenses, as appears quite normal in many lines of business..is it just socialist politicians who are "troughers", or is it all of them? Don't tell me you're a fan of the saintly Nige..
LucreLout said:
edh said:
Huh? I'm afraid you're lost to reason and debate. Comrade Nellist is about as far from a "trougher" as you can get. Anyway, you can return to your prejudices now...
So he didn't live on expenses in addition to half his base pay? I think we all know that isn't true.If you think he gave up the solid gold pensions, then you're fooling yourself. Prove he did or accept he didn't.
Just because you drank the cool aid doesn't mean the rest of us can't see.
I'll accept Nellist being less of a trougher than Blair or Brown, but he's just another unequal socialist banking money while pretending to represent the working man. Working men who don't get expenses and final salary pensions and one gravy train ticket after another.
Suggesting that Dave Nellist was in any way a "trougher"
makes you look very ignorant indeed. LucreLout said:
crankedup said:
No such thing as Socialists in the U.K. well other than a few true die-hards. Most are almost centre Politics. That aside you clearly have a serious grudge having drowned in Socialist spite and dogma. Union member by any chance, just curious?
That's an outrageous slur! Never in my life have I joined such scum.... Well, except the student union when I was a kid because it was the easiest id to get where you could fake the date of birth.
Well I didn't accuse you of being an ex Union man, just as well perhaps. Still curious to understand where your apparent hatred of Socialists (none left TBH in the U.K.)has arisen from.
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