Petrol Prices

[dandarez]

unrepentant said:

Roo said:

Go away.

Every fking thread he goes on he hijacks and ruins for everyone else. He's a boring flatulent pain in the ass who thinks people want to listen to his dumb opinions on climate change.

XJ needs to FO.

Why do you read them then, rather than ignore them?

Edit to add at least he refrains from using foul language his respondents do, but then, usually, that tells all.

[Roo]

This thread started out as a bit of light hearted banter with unrep and Jimbeaux giving some interesting comments/insight over petrol prices and sales operations in the US.

It's turned into some politico agenda, alternate green hating rant bks.

Shame.

[Vaud]

unrepentant said:

Every fking thread he goes on he hijacks and ruins for everyone else. He's a boring flatulent pain in the ass who thinks people want to listen to his dumb opinions on climate change.

XJ needs to FO.

They (he/she?) are opinionated. And 99% of the time I disagree. But they mostly stick by the posting rules as far as I can tell... which is all that matters, not the content?

If they is trolling then he is putting an awful lot of effort into arguments. Maybe they just hold a very minority opinion?

[Sheepshanks]

Roo said:

This thread started out as a bit of light hearted banter with unrep and Jimbeaux giving some interesting comments/insight over petrol prices and sales operations in the US.

To be fair, the thread's in the wrong place anyway - it should be in the US regional sub-forum.

[Roo]

Vaud said:

They (he/she?) are opinionated. And 99% of the time I disagree. But they mostly stick by the posting rules as far as I can tell... which is all that matters, not the content?

If they is trolling then he is putting an awful lot of effort into arguments. Maybe they just hold a very minority opinion?

Have you not come across his posts before?

[Vaud]

Roo said:

Have you not come across his posts before?

Yes, many times. With some that are right on the David Icke fringes of "I can't believe he just posted that".

But they are mostly polite. I just don't agree with the vast majority of them.

[dandarez]

Roo said:

This thread started out as a bit of light hearted banter with unrep and Jimbeaux giving some interesting comments/insight over petrol prices and sales operations in the US.

It's turned into some politico agenda, alternate green hating rant bks.

Shame.

Easy. Ignore. Get back on topic you want.

Here's a couple of old pence worth.
I still remember filling my first car up - a 998cc Imp with a 10.1 compression ratio - at a garage with the Red Pegasus sign (Mobil?) with 101 octane premium after a price increase to two bob and sixpence a gallon (or rather, two-shillings and sixpence). Oops, nearly forgot (age you see!) a half-a-crown.
For 'young people' on here (not meant to be condescending by the way!) who might be confused, that's twelve and a half pence now, or under 3p a litre!

...I seem to recall the AA saying at the time (as another price hike was proposed) that motorists would give up driving in their droves if it went ahead.

Ha ha.

Edited by dandarez on Saturday 8th November 23:13

[Jimbeaux]

Existing cars are easily and relatively inexpensive to convert to Natural gas. The price of said gas is low. (Speaking of the U.S. What is the downside other than limited availability of stations?

[Welshbeef]

Jimbeaux said:

Existing cars are easily and relatively inexpensive to convert to Natural gas. The price of said gas is low. (Speaking of the U.S. What is the downside other than limited availability of stations?

How are diesel cars converted to run on Gas? I've never heard of any such offerings previously plus it would save more £.



Lastly in the UK you as an individual are allowed 2,500 ltrs a year of homemade diesel duty free why are more not doing this/especially freight?

[Vaud]

Welshbeef said:

Lastly in the UK you as an individual are allowed 2,500 ltrs a year of homemade diesel duty free why are more not doing this/especially freight?

Cost, time, hassle, health & safety?

Duty is 59%(?) on diesel. So on your first 2500litres, that saves you about £1900, assuming you could produce diesel for 53p per litre?

[smegmore]

Vaud said:

Cost, time, hassle, health & safety?

Duty is 59%(?) on diesel. So on your first 2500litres, that saves you about £1900, assuming you could produce diesel for 53p per litre?

I can buy new veg oil for 62p per litre, 75% VO to 25% diesel = cheap to run mobile chip shop.

[unrepentant]

Welshbeef said:

Jimbeaux said:

Existing cars are easily and relatively inexpensive to convert to Natural gas. The price of said gas is low. (Speaking of the U.S. What is the downside other than limited availability of stations?

How are diesel cars converted to run on Gas? I've never heard of any such offerings previously plus it would save more £.

There are hardly any diesel cars in the US. BMW,VW and MB sell a few but apart from that only the bigger pick ups run diesel. Many gas stations don't even sell it. The Jaguar XE will be the first British made diesel engine car to be sold here although I'm hoping that the new Land Rover Discovery that is due at the end of next year may also have it.

[Jimbeaux]

Welshbeef said:

Jimbeaux said:

Existing cars are easily and relatively inexpensive to convert to Natural gas. The price of said gas is low. (Speaking of the U.S. What is the downside other than limited availability of stations?

How are diesel cars converted to run on Gas? I've never heard of any such offerings previously plus it would save more £.



Lastly in the UK you as an individual are allowed 2,500 ltrs a year of homemade diesel duty free why are more not doing this/especially freight?

Not sure about diesel, I was speaking of petrol to gas conversions.

As UnRep said, diesels here are vastly made up of larger pickup trucks using Cummins and Detroit diesels.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 10th November 00:00

[XJ Flyer]

Jimbeaux said:

Welshbeef said:

Jimbeaux said:

Existing cars are easily and relatively inexpensive to convert to Natural gas. The price of said gas is low. (Speaking of the U.S. What is the downside other than limited availability of stations?

How are diesel cars converted to run on Gas? I've never heard of any such offerings previously plus it would save more £.



Lastly in the UK you as an individual are allowed 2,500 ltrs a year of homemade diesel duty free why are more not doing this/especially freight?

Not sure about diesel, I was speaking of petrol to gas conversions.

As UnRep said, diesels here are vastly made up of larger pickup trucks using Cummins and Detroit diesels.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 10th November 00:00

LPG conversions and fuel availability are no problem here in the case of petrol engines.However natural gas is something different and requires more complicated high pressure storage facilities and fuel tanks etc etc.So that is not really such a practical solution in that handling the stuff costs more than the savings are worth.

It is also possible to convert diesel engines to LPG and it has even been done on large heavy trucks.But it requires a modified head to allow spark ignition and a lower compression ratio.

Which then leaves the question,at least in our case,that the government would probably apply the same punitive tax regime to LPG as petrol and diesel assuming a large scale switch in use.

[Jimbeaux]

XJ Flyer said:

Jimbeaux said:

Welshbeef said:

Jimbeaux said:

Existing cars are easily and relatively inexpensive to convert to Natural gas. The price of said gas is low. (Speaking of the U.S. What is the downside other than limited availability of stations?

How are diesel cars converted to run on Gas? I've never heard of any such offerings previously plus it would save more £.



Lastly in the UK you as an individual are allowed 2,500 ltrs a year of homemade diesel duty free why are more not doing this/especially freight?

Not sure about diesel, I was speaking of petrol to gas conversions.

As UnRep said, diesels here are vastly made up of larger pickup trucks using Cummins and Detroit diesels.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Monday 10th November 00:00

LPG conversions and fuel availability are no problem here in the case of petrol engines.However natural gas is something different and requires more complicated high pressure storage facilities and fuel tanks etc etc.So that is not really such a practical solution in that handling the stuff costs more than the savings are worth.

It is also possible to convert diesel engines to LPG and it has even been done on large heavy trucks.But it requires a modified head to allow spark ignition and a lower compression ratio.

Which then leaves the question,at least in our case,that the government would probably apply the same punitive tax regime to LPG as petrol and diesel assuming a large scale switch in use.

LPG stations are becoming more prevalent here. Our local police cars can be seen gassing up at those around town at $1.36/gallon.

[Zod]

unrepentant said:

Oh fk. XJFLYER hijacks another thread.

and he won't let go. It's all about the nazis and commies against the indigenous Brits.

[small]edit: typo{/small]

Edited by Zod on Wednesday 12th November 14:36

[Einion Yrth]

Zod said:

unrepentant said:

Oh fk. XJFLYER hijacks another thread.

and he won't let go. It's all about the nazis and commies against the indiegenous Brits.

Some of the Nazis and commies are indigenous Brits.

[Jimbeaux]

Guam said:

unrepentant said:

There are hardly any diesel cars in the US. BMW,VW and MB sell a few but apart from that only the bigger pick ups run diesel. Many gas stations don't even sell it. The Jaguar XE will be the first British made diesel engine car to be sold here although I'm hoping that the new Land Rover Discovery that is due at the end of next year may also have it.

Strange, I just came back from a roadtrip around the NE US drove 2000 miles (approx) in a Big Diesel Toyota SUV from HURTS (and they do).

Had no issues with finding Diesel anywhere, maybe its a NE thing?

I cannot find a station near me that does not sell diesel; however, it may well be a regional thing as you point out. UR is correct that the SUVs and trucks are by far the main user of diesel. That is changing (a little) as more cars are offering diesel without compromised performance.

[unrepentant]

Jimbeaux said:

Guam said:

unrepentant said:

There are hardly any diesel cars in the US. BMW,VW and MB sell a few but apart from that only the bigger pick ups run diesel. Many gas stations don't even sell it. The Jaguar XE will be the first British made diesel engine car to be sold here although I'm hoping that the new Land Rover Discovery that is due at the end of next year may also have it.

Strange, I just came back from a roadtrip around the NE US drove 2000 miles (approx) in a Big Diesel Toyota SUV from HURTS (and they do).

Had no issues with finding Diesel anywhere, maybe its a NE thing?

I cannot find a station near me that does not sell diesel; however, it may well be a regional thing as you point out. UR is correct that the SUVs and trucks are by far the main user of diesel. That is changing (a little) as more cars are offering diesel without compromised performance.

In fairness it has changed quite a bit in recent years. 4 or 5 years ago it was harder to find, less so now. When gas hit $4 back in 08 I think a lot of the good ole boys started changing their Ram Hemi's for diesels and maybe that helped spread the availability.

[Jimbeaux]

unrepentant said:

Jimbeaux said:

Guam said:

unrepentant said:

There are hardly any diesel cars in the US. BMW,VW and MB sell a few but apart from that only the bigger pick ups run diesel. Many gas stations don't even sell it. The Jaguar XE will be the first British made diesel engine car to be sold here although I'm hoping that the new Land Rover Discovery that is due at the end of next year may also have it.

Strange, I just came back from a roadtrip around the NE US drove 2000 miles (approx) in a Big Diesel Toyota SUV from HURTS (and they do).

Had no issues with finding Diesel anywhere, maybe its a NE thing?

I cannot find a station near me that does not sell diesel; however, it may well be a regional thing as you point out. UR is correct that the SUVs and trucks are by far the main user of diesel. That is changing (a little) as more cars are offering diesel without compromised performance.

In fairness it has changed quite a bit in recent years. 4 or 5 years ago it was harder to find, less so now. When gas hit $4 back in 08 I think a lot of the good ole boys started changing their Ram Hemi's for diesels and maybe that helped spread the availability.

The problem, as least around here, is that diesel is far more expensive than petrol. I suppose that is the low sulfur emission diesel formula, ect. causing that. Now, that might be a regional issue limited to high temperature areas that trigger the reformulation for pollution control. That said, the new BMW diesels, VW, and the Blue tecs of the world., etc are gaining ground.