Veteran assaulted on way to Remebrance Ceremony
Discussion
All rather obvious, except to those who do not want to see.croyde said:
Also how come, as a reasonably hard working UK citizen, is it so hard for me to move to the US or Australia yet all and sundry are welcomed here?
I have no problem with immigrants who need to prove their worth to the UK as we have to if we want to live and work in, say the US.
Could it be because big business like importing cheap labour so oppose what would seem sensible immigration policies?I have no problem with immigrants who need to prove their worth to the UK as we have to if we want to live and work in, say the US.
cliffe_mafia said:
croyde said:
Also how come, as a reasonably hard working UK citizen, is it so hard for me to move to the US or Australia yet all and sundry are welcomed here?
I have no problem with immigrants who need to prove their worth to the UK as we have to if we want to live and work in, say the US.
Could it be because big business like importing cheap labour so oppose what would seem sensible immigration policies?I have no problem with immigrants who need to prove their worth to the UK as we have to if we want to live and work in, say the US.
brenflys777 said:
Exactly.
I'm English. I was born here, I've grown up here. My parents and siblings weren't. That doesn't make me less English.
Fifteen years ago as a Policeman I used to have to break the bad news to some people... I'd have asked where they were from and they'd reply 'Pakistan innit' only to find that they were actually born and raised in the West Midlands, they seemed disappointed to be told that uninspiring as it was they were just like me, English.
If we apply the current laws fairly and treat illegal cultural practices as crimes, we can still fix this.
Anyone talking about repatriation of English people like myself to somewhere their parents came from is more backward than the Taliban.
absolutely spot on.I'm English. I was born here, I've grown up here. My parents and siblings weren't. That doesn't make me less English.
Fifteen years ago as a Policeman I used to have to break the bad news to some people... I'd have asked where they were from and they'd reply 'Pakistan innit' only to find that they were actually born and raised in the West Midlands, they seemed disappointed to be told that uninspiring as it was they were just like me, English.
If we apply the current laws fairly and treat illegal cultural practices as crimes, we can still fix this.
Anyone talking about repatriation of English people like myself to somewhere their parents came from is more backward than the Taliban.
andymc said:
cliffe_mafia said:
croyde said:
Also how come, as a reasonably hard working UK citizen, is it so hard for me to move to the US or Australia yet all and sundry are welcomed here?
I have no problem with immigrants who need to prove their worth to the UK as we have to if we want to live and work in, say the US.
Could it be because big business like importing cheap labour so oppose what would seem sensible immigration policies?I have no problem with immigrants who need to prove their worth to the UK as we have to if we want to live and work in, say the US.
johnxjsc1985 said:
Eric Mc said:
Where does that leave those from Scotland, Ireland, Wales, the Isle of Man, the Channel Islands etc etc etc?
but the Scots are Scots the Welsh are definitely Welsh and so on but the English its almost a dirty word these days and I do think its because the far right stole the flag and the identity of the English I don't have a pair of Doc martins and my hair isn't cropped but I am still English.I live in an area which is quite old fashioned with lots of older people I have also lived in Wandsworth,Battersea and Chiswick ,I know where I prefer to be.
I know this old chap would not have been attacked here
There is virtually NOBODY living in the British Isles who cannot trace some ancestry to the other countries of these islands - and quite a few with ancestry from even further afield.
Much as I might despise to my core the activities of horrid individuals such as those who perpetrated the attack on the veteran, to conflate their behaviour with the "non-English" is equally abhorrent and a gross insult to many.
Eric Mc said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Eric Mc said:
Where does that leave those from Scotland, Ireland, Wales, the Isle of Man, the Channel Islands etc etc etc?
but the Scots are Scots the Welsh are definitely Welsh and so on but the English its almost a dirty word these days and I do think its because the far right stole the flag and the identity of the English I don't have a pair of Doc martins and my hair isn't cropped but I am still English.I live in an area which is quite old fashioned with lots of older people I have also lived in Wandsworth,Battersea and Chiswick ,I know where I prefer to be.
I know this old chap would not have been attacked here
There is virtually NOBODY living in the British Isles who cannot trace some ancestry to the other countries of these islands - and quite a few with ancestry from even further afield.
Much as I might despise to my core the activities of horrid individuals such as those who perpetrated the attack on the veteran, to conflate their behaviour with the "non-English" is equally abhorrent and a gross insult to many.
cliffe_mafia said:
croyde said:
Also how come, as a reasonably hard working UK citizen, is it so hard for me to move to the US or Australia yet all and sundry are welcomed here?
I have no problem with immigrants who need to prove their worth to the UK as we have to if we want to live and work in, say the US.
Could it be because big business like importing cheap labour so oppose what would seem sensible immigration policies?I have no problem with immigrants who need to prove their worth to the UK as we have to if we want to live and work in, say the US.
Now, you could say that the politicians are in the pocket of big business, and whilst there is certainly a small element of truth in that, I do not think that this is the real reason for the policy. After all, most businessmen I speak to engaged in large scale enterprises are looking for skilled workers, with a good command of english and a commitment to actually working for their pay. The last thing most want is uneducated, feckless morons with no command of the English language.
No, for me, the real reason for the immigration being the way it is in this country is because those who had control of the country saw political advantage in bringing these people in.
Largely this can be laid at the door of the Labour party, who identified very early on that an immigrant was far more likely to vote for them than they were to vote Liberal or Tory.
So, you may ask why Tory Governments did not reverse the legislation? Racism. Does anyone else remember just how readily the left played the R card through the 70s, 80s, 90s and beyond? Debating race and immigration was nigh on impossible. If you did not embrace the open door policy then you were practically a frothing fascist.
Closing off the debate, and poisoning public opinion essentially ensured that the policy was untouchable. New Labour took this to new heights when it came to realise that with the loss of traditional industries their ability to rely on the block votes of millions of "working class" folk was rapidly diminishing.. the new immigrants, with their propensity to vote Labour were a perfect replacement - especially when you factored in the higher than normal reliance on postal voting in these new communities. Absolutely no possibility of rigging the vote there now is there?
And now the chickens are coming home to roost, and the mess is only just being revealed. The gerrymandering of the left means that we all will pay a terrible price. But spare a thought for those that will pay the biggest price - those decent, hardworking, proud to be British Asians who will be tarred with the same brush as those we would condemn by those who cannot see the difference. My Sikh friends have often told me how they HATE the Pakistani Muslim community because every time something kicks off, they suffer the backlash too, despite them being about as proud to be British as its possible to be.
But even that overlooks the fact that within the Pakistani Muslim community there are many, many people who are as angry and ashamed of those in their midst as we are. These innocent people also suffer the backlash, not only from the wider community, but also from within their own community if they dare to speak up.
I doubt that this particular incident will trigger anything more than a little outrage...but if these straws keep coming, (as I fear they will) then sooner or later the Camels back will break, and when that happens there will be blood on the streets, of that I am certain. And it won't be whites against Asians, it will be everyone, black, white, Sikh, Asian, you name it, against the Pakistani Muslim community - and that cannot be a good thing.
supersingle said:
Eric Mc said:
johnxjsc1985 said:
Eric Mc said:
Where does that leave those from Scotland, Ireland, Wales, the Isle of Man, the Channel Islands etc etc etc?
but the Scots are Scots the Welsh are definitely Welsh and so on but the English its almost a dirty word these days and I do think its because the far right stole the flag and the identity of the English I don't have a pair of Doc martins and my hair isn't cropped but I am still English.I live in an area which is quite old fashioned with lots of older people I have also lived in Wandsworth,Battersea and Chiswick ,I know where I prefer to be.
I know this old chap would not have been attacked here
There is virtually NOBODY living in the British Isles who cannot trace some ancestry to the other countries of these islands - and quite a few with ancestry from even further afield.
Much as I might despise to my core the activities of horrid individuals such as those who perpetrated the attack on the veteran, to conflate their behaviour with the "non-English" is equally abhorrent and a gross insult to many.
RAFsmoggy said:
I cannot understand the need for the Muslim council, why is it given any credence at all?
The law of the land you live in apply's equally to all, no matter what religion you have decided to follow!
Not true, sadly. Can you walk into a bank wearing a crash helmet? What would happen if you burnt a Koran and a Bible, which book would you be convicted of destroying?The law of the land you live in apply's equally to all, no matter what religion you have decided to follow!
Sadly the "one law for all" disappeared a long time ago. The best you can hope for is to be a one legged, colour blind, Romanian Muslim Lesbian! Then your laughing!!!
andymadmak said:
Well it could be, but since big business is not our Government you would instead have to look at the reasons why the politicians allowed mass immigration.
Now, you could say that the politicians are in the pocket of big business, and whilst there is certainly a small element of truth in that, I do not think that this is the real reason for the policy. After all, most businessmen I speak to engaged in large scale enterprises are looking for skilled workers, with a good command of english and a commitment to actually working for their pay. The last think most want is uneducated, feckless morons with no command of the English language.
No, for me, the real reason for the immigration being the way it is in this country is because those who had control of the country saw political advantage in bringing these people in.
Largely this can be laid at the door of the Labour party, who identified very early on that an immigrant was far more likely to vote for them than they were to vote Liberal or Tory.
So, you may ask why Tory Governments did not reverse the legislation? Racism. Does anyone else remember just how readily the left played the R card through the 70s, 80s, 90s and beyond? Debating race and immigration was nigh on impossible. If you did not embrace the open door policy then you were practically a frothing fascist.
Closing off the debate, and poisoning public opinion essentially ensured that the policy was untouchable. New Labour took this to new heights when it came to realise that with the loss of traditional industries their ability to rely on the block votes of millions of "working class" folk was rapidly diminishing.. the new immigrants, with their propensity to vote Labour were a perfect replacement - especially when you factored in the higher than normal reliance on postal voting in these new communities. Absolutely no possibility of rigging the vote there now is there?
And now the chickens are coming home to roost, and the mess is only just being revealed. The gerrymandering of the left means that we all will pay a terrible price. But spare a thought for those that will pay the biggest price - those decent, hardworking, proud to be British Asians who will be tarred with the same brush as those we would condemn by those who cannot see the difference. My Sikh friends have often told me how they HATE the Pakistani Muslim community because every time something kicks off, they suffer the backlash too, despite them being about as proud to be British as its possible to be.
But even that overlooks the fact that within the Pakistani Muslim community there are many, many people who are as angry and ashamed of those in their midst as we are. These innocent people also suffer the backlash, not only from the wider community, but also from within their own community if they dare to speak up.
I doubt that this particular incident will trigger anything more than a little outrage...but if these straws keep coming, (as I fear they will) then sooner or later the Camels back will break, and when that happens there will be blood on the streets, of that I am certain. And it won't be whites against Asians, it will be everyone, black, white, Sikh, Asian, you name it, against the Pakistani Muslim community - and that cannot be a good thing.
Good post. Spot on.Now, you could say that the politicians are in the pocket of big business, and whilst there is certainly a small element of truth in that, I do not think that this is the real reason for the policy. After all, most businessmen I speak to engaged in large scale enterprises are looking for skilled workers, with a good command of english and a commitment to actually working for their pay. The last think most want is uneducated, feckless morons with no command of the English language.
No, for me, the real reason for the immigration being the way it is in this country is because those who had control of the country saw political advantage in bringing these people in.
Largely this can be laid at the door of the Labour party, who identified very early on that an immigrant was far more likely to vote for them than they were to vote Liberal or Tory.
So, you may ask why Tory Governments did not reverse the legislation? Racism. Does anyone else remember just how readily the left played the R card through the 70s, 80s, 90s and beyond? Debating race and immigration was nigh on impossible. If you did not embrace the open door policy then you were practically a frothing fascist.
Closing off the debate, and poisoning public opinion essentially ensured that the policy was untouchable. New Labour took this to new heights when it came to realise that with the loss of traditional industries their ability to rely on the block votes of millions of "working class" folk was rapidly diminishing.. the new immigrants, with their propensity to vote Labour were a perfect replacement - especially when you factored in the higher than normal reliance on postal voting in these new communities. Absolutely no possibility of rigging the vote there now is there?
And now the chickens are coming home to roost, and the mess is only just being revealed. The gerrymandering of the left means that we all will pay a terrible price. But spare a thought for those that will pay the biggest price - those decent, hardworking, proud to be British Asians who will be tarred with the same brush as those we would condemn by those who cannot see the difference. My Sikh friends have often told me how they HATE the Pakistani Muslim community because every time something kicks off, they suffer the backlash too, despite them being about as proud to be British as its possible to be.
But even that overlooks the fact that within the Pakistani Muslim community there are many, many people who are as angry and ashamed of those in their midst as we are. These innocent people also suffer the backlash, not only from the wider community, but also from within their own community if they dare to speak up.
I doubt that this particular incident will trigger anything more than a little outrage...but if these straws keep coming, (as I fear they will) then sooner or later the Camels back will break, and when that happens there will be blood on the streets, of that I am certain. And it won't be whites against Asians, it will be everyone, black, white, Sikh, Asian, you name it, against the Pakistani Muslim community - and that cannot be a good thing.
andymadmak said:
I doubt that this particular incident will trigger anything more than a little outrage...but if these straws keep coming, (as I fear they will) then sooner or later the Camels back will break, and when that happens there will be blood on the streets, of that I am certain. And it won't be whites against Asians, it will be everyone, black, white, Sikh, Asian, you name it, against the Pakistani Muslim community - and that cannot be a good thing.
Weren't the 1995 Manningham Riots (not the 2001 riots) partly along those lines?Separately, the Ouseley Report is worth a read.
http://resources.cohesioninstitute.org.uk/Publicat...
anonymous said:
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I have. I go quite a few times a year. As has been discussed on other threads I don't think it's better/worse than many other large towns/cities throughout the UK. It's just that, because of the asian population, statistically speaking there are likely to be more asian scrotes. I understand the logic of what you're saying but without further evidence it's hard to tell.Question for you - do you think Breast ironing had anything to do with the attack?
supersingle said:
I don't think anyone's blaming the Irish.
This is my point I never mentioned anyone but soon as you say "English" the attacks start.Welshmen,Irishmen and Scotsmen can be just that but as soon as an Englishman declares himself to be English then its a different ball game
Countdown said:
anonymous said:
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I have. I go quite a few times a year. As has been discussed on other threads I don't think it's better/worse than many other large towns/cities throughout the UK. It's just that, because of the asian population, statistically speaking there are likely to be more asian scrotes. I understand the logic of what you're saying but without further evidence it's hard to tell.Question for you - do you think Breast ironing had anything to do with the attack?
andymc said:
Countdown said:
anonymous said:
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I have. I go quite a few times a year. As has been discussed on other threads I don't think it's better/worse than many other large towns/cities throughout the UK. It's just that, because of the asian population, statistically speaking there are likely to be more asian scrotes. I understand the logic of what you're saying but without further evidence it's hard to tell.Question for you - do you think Breast ironing had anything to do with the attack?
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