Rochester By-Election. Consequences of UKIP Win on Tory/Lab
Discussion
Yazar said:
XJ Flyer said:
The fact is we need another Powell when all we've got in the form of UKIP is Cameron with more attitude at least in regard to the immigration question.Which leaves the question if UKIP has gone soft on immigration then what is to say it won't do the same in terms of a Brexit.
The reason for UKIP being the size it now is, if due to Farage having a intuitive grasp of the workings of the media. What reckless said on the video i.e. deport after a period new migrants of little benefit but look sympathetically at a working migrant who has been here a while', mass media twisted into a 'deport them all' attack.
In the 10 seconds Farage had to reply, all he has is a soundbite that would then be repeated every half hour on the news on the day before the elections.
So there was no room of explanation in detail, the message had to be simple and ensure this was not the time that the 'racist' tag that the lefties have been trying so hard in vain for the last few years to pin to UKIP, would have any chance of sticking.
XJ Flyer said:
Yazar said:
XJ Flyer said:
The fact is we need another Powell when all we've got in the form of UKIP is Cameron with more attitude at least in regard to the immigration question.Which leaves the question if UKIP has gone soft on immigration then what is to say it won't do the same in terms of a Brexit.
The reason for UKIP being the size it now is, if due to Farage having a intuitive grasp of the workings of the media. What reckless said on the video i.e. deport after a period new migrants of little benefit but look sympathetically at a working migrant who has been here a while', mass media twisted into a 'deport them all' attack.
In the 10 seconds Farage had to reply, all he has is a soundbite that would then be repeated every half hour on the news on the day before the elections.
So there was no room of explanation in detail, the message had to be simple and ensure this was not the time that the 'racist' tag that the lefties have been trying so hard in vain for the last few years to pin to UKIP, would have any chance of sticking.
Immigration can add to the Great in Britain, but it won't if we let ungrateful tossers in.
XJFlyer - you seem to be desperately hoping that a party with such growing support agrees with you - they don't! I asked on one of the other threads you've posted to several times - why don't you back up your opinions of what you think Mark Reckless MP (UKIP) said with quotes of what he actually said?
I think the reason is you are clinging to any hope that there might be widespread support for your naive 'deport them all' views, that won't be found in UKIP. Without evidence you are just mashing at the keyboard. UKIP policy is not and will never be to retrospectively deport settled immigrants.
I think the reason is you are clinging to any hope that there might be widespread support for your naive 'deport them all' views, that won't be found in UKIP. Without evidence you are just mashing at the keyboard. UKIP policy is not and will never be to retrospectively deport settled immigrants.
brenflys777 said:
XJFlyer - you seem to be desperately hoping that a party with such growing support agrees with you - they don't! I asked on one of the other threads you've posted to several times - why don't you back up your opinions of what you think Mark Reckless MP (UKIP) said with quotes of what he actually said?
I think the reason is you are clinging to any hope that there might be widespread support for your naive 'deport them all' views, that won't be found in UKIP. Without evidence you are just mashing at the keyboard. UKIP policy is not and will never be to retrospectively deport settled immigrants.
^^^ This.I think the reason is you are clinging to any hope that there might be widespread support for your naive 'deport them all' views, that won't be found in UKIP. Without evidence you are just mashing at the keyboard. UKIP policy is not and will never be to retrospectively deport settled immigrants.
AFAIK Powell didn't support any forced repatriation/deportation anyway.
Yazar said:
XJ Flyer said:
The fact is we need another Powell when all we've got in the form of UKIP is Cameron with more attitude at least in regard to the immigration question.Which leaves the question if UKIP has gone soft on immigration then what is to say it won't do the same in terms of a Brexit.
Do you mean the Farage reply? The reason for UKIP being the size it now is due to Farage having a intuitive grasp of the workings of the media. What reckless said on the video i.e. deport after a period new migrants of little benefit but look sympathetically at a working migrant who has been here a while', mass media twisted into a 'deport them all' attack.
In the 10 seconds Farage had to reply, all he has is a soundbite that would then be repeated every half hour on the news on the day before the elections.
So there was no room of explanation in detail, the message had to be simple and ensure this was not the time that the 'racist' tag that the lefties have been trying so hard in vain for the last few years to pin to UKIP, would have any chance of sticking.
Foliage said:
I think its all remarkably clever media manipulation (maybe its not) get candidate to say something that is very clear but the media can easily twist it to something that is 'evil' to sell their advertising space, then get a nice clear & emotive 10 second sound bite out that clarifies what was said, this is then played continuously on news media just before the polling, it keeps ukip clear in the mind of the voters.
Not sure it's necessarily that in this case, but I have had similar thoughts before.i.e. Farage carefully aims for the small intersection of unPC (to the media/Labour at least) but at the same time totally reasonable (to the normal sane person). Result is endless media coverage. Or perhaps there's just a lot of totally reasonable things that the PC crowd froth at the mouth over.
The Crack Fox said:
I don't know why folks got shirty about that pic. It IS Rochester, isn't it? Our national flag should be treated with respect, not draped from a gutter like that, anyway.
It does make me chuckle, whilst loving the fact its stitched up Labour quite nicely and another headache for Ed, if I was looking to buy a property and drove into the street and saw that I wouldn't be bothering with the viewing.anonymous said:
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I think it was the way it was tweeted - nuanced, high-brow, bien-pensant irony - that has set people's hackles on end. A smug dig from a privileged home-counties champagne socialist.Sad that our nation's flag is so disdained by many and that people attempting to feel a connection with their nation are so ridiculed. The middle classes have fallen out of love with our flag.
Digga said:
I think it was the way it was tweeted - nuanced, high-brow, bien-pensant irony - that has set people's hackles on end. A smug dig from a privileged home-counties champagne socialist.
Sad that our nation's flag is so disdained by many and that people attempting to feel a connection with their nation are so ridiculed. The middle classes have fallen out of love with our flag.
I wholeheartedly agree with all you say and she was an idiot for doing it.Sad that our nation's flag is so disdained by many and that people attempting to feel a connection with their nation are so ridiculed. The middle classes have fallen out of love with our flag.
I cannot in all honesty though sit here and pretend I didn't view that picture in exactly the same way, a flag hanging out of the window in that way especially when there is no football tournament going on is generally a damn good indicator of a neighbourhood in which i wouldn't want to live.
The Crack Fox said:
jogon said:
Are you voting for this lot then..
Have a long hard think about just don't give yourself a headache.
I don't know why folks got shirty about that pic. It IS Rochester, isn't it? Our national flag should be treated with respect, not draped from a gutter like that, anyway.Have a long hard think about just don't give yourself a headache.
anonymous said:
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I am not totally sure of the origin of the picture - whether it was actually taken recently or whether it was a street view from during the world cup - the story and the householder's reported comments are ambiguous.Either way, you wouldn't live there, I wouldn't and neither would the ex-shadow minister, but for a great many people, this is reality and, indeed, flags are very probably the least of your neighbourly concerns, especially if you're from towns like Rotherham for example.
anonymous said:
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Did she really mean it in a negative way though? Surely politicians must have strict guidelines from their marketing bods that they should never post anything negative to twitter. If she had just posted the picture and put #pride or #proud or something simple like that then the message would have been far more positive. TBH she is probably completely out of touch and absolutely clueless about how the world works and how perception is a greater force than reality.Digga said:
I think it was the way it was tweeted - nuanced, high-brow, bien-pensant irony - that has set people's hackles on end. A smug dig from a privileged home-counties champagne socialist.
Sad that our nation's flag is so disdained by many and that people attempting to feel a connection with their nation are so ridiculed. The middle classes have fallen out of love with our flag.
Indeed, it wasn't the picture, it was the snide implication which went with it - all comming from someone who claims to represent exactly those people.Sad that our nation's flag is so disdained by many and that people attempting to feel a connection with their nation are so ridiculed. The middle classes have fallen out of love with our flag.
Our town puts the flag all along the high street for St Georges day, and looks all the better for it.
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