Rochester By-Election. Consequences of UKIP Win on Tory/Lab
Discussion
Digga said:
Either way, you wouldn't live there, I wouldn't and neither would the ex-shadow minister, but for a great many people, this is reality and, indeed, flags are very probably the least of your neighbourly concerns, especially if you're from towns like Rotherham for example.
Again agree with all of it and she was right in what she intimated, I live not far from Rochester and I wouldn't live there if you paid me. It was utter stupidity on her part though and one that I am still enjoying this morning.I think Labour are in for a massive shock in May, I genuinely think UKIP are going to hit them harder than they think.
I don't understand what goes through otherwise intelligent peoples' minds when they subscribe to twitter. How many politicians find themselves under media scrutiny having thoughtlessly tweeted - it's bonkers. Goodness me, I'd hazard the vast majority of adults from her background and education might think to themselves "that's a bit chavvy" (or similar) if dropped into the middle of Rochester and spotted that house. Indeed a huge proportion of the UK might think similar. Why any of them would bother going to the trouble of tweeting it, though? Especially if you're a front bench politician from the side that were supposed to be on the side of the "working man".
I just don't get social media.
Oh hang on...
I just don't get social media.
Oh hang on...
Negative Creep said:
Because if you're representing a party that was born from and supposedly still represents the common working man it's not a great idea to go round insulting them
Indeed that's what's is damaging and amusing about the outcry... it only really upsets the core Labour vote.Digga said:
I think it was the way it was tweeted - nuanced, high-brow, bien-pensant irony - that has set people's hackles on end. A smug dig from a privileged home-counties champagne socialist.
Sad that our nation's flag is so disdained by many and that people attempting to feel a connection with their nation are so ridiculed. The middle classes have fallen out of love with our flag.
It is sad, but that said, the flag has been associated with "Football" and to a lesser extent hijacked by those with racial prejudices, so perhaps the perception is different for people? For me, when I see that flag hanging outside a house as depicted in the Tweet, or off a car or van, I think chavball supporter! Sad that our nation's flag is so disdained by many and that people attempting to feel a connection with their nation are so ridiculed. The middle classes have fallen out of love with our flag.
Her tweet though was momentously ill timed and not really needed.
Hope Reckless enjoys his few months as a UKIP MP because he'll be out on his ear at the GE next year. He must have had a sick feeling in his stomach when he heard the result. With all the hype and hysteria that went with this by election he should have won by a huge margin. It'll be a shame to see such a nasty little opportunist turfed out of work next May.
unrepentant said:
Hope Reckless enjoys his few months as a UKIP MP because he'll be out on his ear at the GE next year. He must have had a sick feeling in his stomach when he heard the result. With all the hype and hysteria that went with this by election he should have won by a huge margin. It'll be a shame to see such a nasty little opportunist turfed out of work next May.
We'll see.unrepentant said:
Hope Reckless enjoys his few months as a UKIP MP because he'll be out on his ear at the GE next year. He must have had a sick feeling in his stomach when he heard the result. With all the hype and hysteria that went with this by election he should have won by a huge margin. It'll be a shame to see such a nasty little opportunist turfed out of work next May.
Really? even with Dave losing his kitchen sink in Rochester they still couldn't win so how will they do it in May when they will have to spread their campaign over a nation not just one constituency .What is interesting is how even in defeat their is little or no acknowledgement that a defeat has actually occurred.
Stevanos said:
It is sad, but that said, the flag has been associated with "Football" and to a lesser extent hijacked by those with racial prejudices, so perhaps the perception is different for people? For me, when I see that flag hanging outside a house as depicted in the Tweet, or off a car or van, I think chavball supporter!
Her tweet though was momentously ill timed and not really needed.
She's a Barrister in her mid fifties, not Kent's Teenage PCC Paris Brown.Her tweet though was momentously ill timed and not really needed.
There's a football tournament on isn't there? Isn't Rooney two goals away from equaling the record of Bobby Charlton for England goals?
Our elected elite have never been known to kidnap the soccer world cup and the Olympics for their own political ends have they?
Moving forward, putting stuff behind us and learning lessons what will be the legacy of Emily Thornberry?
johnxjsc1985 said:
unrepentant said:
Hope Reckless enjoys his few months as a UKIP MP because he'll be out on his ear at the GE next year. He must have had a sick feeling in his stomach when he heard the result. With all the hype and hysteria that went with this by election he should have won by a huge margin. It'll be a shame to see such a nasty little opportunist turfed out of work next May.
Really? even with Dave losing his kitchen sink in Rochester they still couldn't win so how will they do it in May when they will have to spread their campaign over a nation not just one constituency .What is interesting is how even in defeat their is little or no acknowledgement that a defeat has actually occurred.
By-elections generally don't go well for ruling parties either. If Reckless does hold on to the seat at the GE, I'd wager that his current majority will be cut.
WinstonWolf said:
XJ Flyer said:
Yazar said:
XJ Flyer said:
The fact is we need another Powell when all we've got in the form of UKIP is Cameron with more attitude at least in regard to the immigration question.Which leaves the question if UKIP has gone soft on immigration then what is to say it won't do the same in terms of a Brexit.
The reason for UKIP being the size it now is, if due to Farage having a intuitive grasp of the workings of the media. What reckless said on the video i.e. deport after a period new migrants of little benefit but look sympathetically at a working migrant who has been here a while', mass media twisted into a 'deport them all' attack.
In the 10 seconds Farage had to reply, all he has is a soundbite that would then be repeated every half hour on the news on the day before the elections.
So there was no room of explanation in detail, the message had to be simple and ensure this was not the time that the 'racist' tag that the lefties have been trying so hard in vain for the last few years to pin to UKIP, would have any chance of sticking.
Immigration can add to the Great in Britain, but it won't if we let ungrateful tossers in.
The eastern European guys who worked from 7am to 8pm last year to re-paint the outside of my house, and offered to do the work for much less than a 'British' person?
The team of IT consultants working for me from India?
The doctor who came here from Nigeria 3 years ago, and helped treat my 10 month old for dehydration?
Most of the ungrateful tossers I see in the UK are not immigrants, but the lazy, feckless and workshy thugs that populate our sink estates.
5pen said:
The Tories had probably not banked on having to find a candidate to replace a bloke with a 10k majority so soon. From what I saw of the Tory candidate on TV she was absolutely hopeless. I reckon there is a good chance they'll find a better one given 6 months instead of 2 weeks.
By-elections generally don't go well for ruling parties either. If Reckless does hold on to the seat at the GE, I'd wager that his current majority will be cut.
Additionally there must be a percentage of voters using this election as an opportunity to make a protest vote!By-elections generally don't go well for ruling parties either. If Reckless does hold on to the seat at the GE, I'd wager that his current majority will be cut.
Stevanos said:
Additionally there must be a percentage of voters using this election as an opportunity to make a protest vote!
Certainly. But I cant see that protest vote going away. What can Milliband or Cameron do? If anything the next GE will generate an even bigger protest vote, and it will go mainly to UKIP and the Greens now that the LibDems have become toxic.
Your arguments are crap, saying "these are my couple of good personal experiences amongst the millions of bad ones across the UK" doesn't mean anything.
When your kids and grand kids either fail to buy, or pay 100k or more for house then needed to, due to the ridiculous demand for housing as population increases then have fun reducing the amount by the £200 you saved on your paint job!
Worked with lots of Africans in London, most great but the general corruption is ridiculous. And it is a fact that 50% of foreign doctors are below the UK minimum standard http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/nhs/10773857/Hal...
And quite frankly it is morally disgusting to steal nurses and doctors from 3rd world countries where they are needed the most just so the UK rich can stay rich.
oyster said:
The eastern European guys who worked from 7am to 8pm last year to re-paint the outside of my house, and offered to do the work for much less than a 'British' person?
Yup the ongoing UK pyramid scheme. Bring in cheap labour to a country with the worst social mobility in Europe, work them to the bone and take as much of their earnings in rent as possible to prop up the layer above. Repeat.When your kids and grand kids either fail to buy, or pay 100k or more for house then needed to, due to the ridiculous demand for housing as population increases then have fun reducing the amount by the £200 you saved on your paint job!
oyster said:
The team of IT consultants working for me from India?
The amount of crap IT people from India I have met is astonishing, ratio must be at least 1:50. This doesn't help:http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29950843oyster said:
The doctor who came here from Nigeria 3 years ago, and helped treat my 10 month old for dehydration?
True story- wife and I went to get innoculated at a Harley street 'travel clinic' run by a Nigerian. Off the record he mentioned that the yellow fever was out of date but it didn't matter and he would do a discount on it Worked with lots of Africans in London, most great but the general corruption is ridiculous. And it is a fact that 50% of foreign doctors are below the UK minimum standard http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/nhs/10773857/Hal...
And quite frankly it is morally disgusting to steal nurses and doctors from 3rd world countries where they are needed the most just so the UK rich can stay rich.
Yazar said:
Your arguments are crap, saying "these are my couple of good personal experiences amongst the millions of bad ones across the UK" doesn't mean anything.
When your kids and grand kids either fail to buy, or pay 100k or more for house then needed to, due to the ridiculous demand for housing as population increases then have fun reducing the amount by the £200 you saved on your paint job!
Worked with lots of Africans in London, most great but the general corruption is ridiculous. And it is a fact that 50% of foreign doctors are below the UK minimum standard http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/nhs/10773857/Hal...
And quite frankly it is morally disgusting to steal nurses and doctors from 3rd world countries where they are needed the most just so the UK rich can stay rich.
well said,and people wonder why the income tax take is dropping in our supposedly recovering economy.oyster said:
The eastern European guys who worked from 7am to 8pm last year to re-paint the outside of my house, and offered to do the work for much less than a 'British' person?
Yup the ongoing UK pyramid scheme. Bring in cheap labour to a country with the worst social mobility in Europe, work them to the bone and take as much of their earnings in rent as possible to prop up the layer above. Repeat.When your kids and grand kids either fail to buy, or pay 100k or more for house then needed to, due to the ridiculous demand for housing as population increases then have fun reducing the amount by the £200 you saved on your paint job!
oyster said:
The team of IT consultants working for me from India?
The amount of crap IT people from India I have met is astonishing, ratio must be at least 1:50. This doesn't help:http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29950843oyster said:
The doctor who came here from Nigeria 3 years ago, and helped treat my 10 month old for dehydration?
True story- wife and I went to get innoculated at a Harley street 'travel clinic' run by a Nigerian. Off the record he mentioned that the yellow fever was out of date but it didn't matter and he would do a discount on it Worked with lots of Africans in London, most great but the general corruption is ridiculous. And it is a fact that 50% of foreign doctors are below the UK minimum standard http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/nhs/10773857/Hal...
And quite frankly it is morally disgusting to steal nurses and doctors from 3rd world countries where they are needed the most just so the UK rich can stay rich.
5pen said:
The Tories had probably not banked on having to find a candidate to replace a bloke with a 10k majority so soon. From what I saw of the Tory candidate on TV she was absolutely hopeless. I reckon there is a good chance they'll find a better one given 6 months instead of 2 weeks.
By-elections generally don't go well for ruling parties either. If Reckless does hold on to the seat at the GE, I'd wager that his current majority will be cut.
she is the candidate for the GE. If he wins by one vote that's all it needs it doesn't really matter if he has a reduced majority.As they say a win is a win and he won last night although I sense an awful lot of denial aboutBy-elections generally don't go well for ruling parties either. If Reckless does hold on to the seat at the GE, I'd wager that his current majority will be cut.
oyster said:
Which ones are ungrateful?
Very, very few thankfully, but surely you are not going to be so obtuse as to deny the fact there are British citizens - some of whom are recent immigrants - who, at home and abroad, plot against the West and this country specifically?Clue: There have already been convictions, deportations and confiscation of passports. This much is fact.
johnxjsc1985 said:
5pen said:
The Tories had probably not banked on having to find a candidate to replace a bloke with a 10k majority so soon. From what I saw of the Tory candidate on TV she was absolutely hopeless. I reckon there is a good chance they'll find a better one given 6 months instead of 2 weeks.
By-elections generally don't go well for ruling parties either. If Reckless does hold on to the seat at the GE, I'd wager that his current majority will be cut.
she is the candidate for the GE. If he wins by one vote that's all it needs it doesn't really matter if he has a reduced majority.As they say a win is a win and he won last night although I sense an awful lot of denial aboutBy-elections generally don't go well for ruling parties either. If Reckless does hold on to the seat at the GE, I'd wager that his current majority will be cut.
Surely the Tories can find soemone better? They'll have to if they want to regain the seat.
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