Rochester By-Election. Consequences of UKIP Win on Tory/Lab

Rochester By-Election. Consequences of UKIP Win on Tory/Lab

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Dog Star

16,079 posts

167 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Hol said:
Considering that the SNP are expected to pick up all their votes from traditional scottish labour voters. (Labour losing out 1:1)

Then its no certain that a Labour/SNP coalition will have the chance of a majority, or even certain that Labour alone will therefore have more votes than any other single political party (and first dibs in trying to put together a coalition).


It would be interesting to see who UKIP would join in a coalition with any seat they do get, as they are expected to pick up votes from across all the other parties.
I wouldn't be surprised if for every seat they gain in Scotland they lose one in the north of England. This would make things very interesting indeed.....

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Wednesday 19th November 2014
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Hol said:
It would be interesting to see who UKIP would join in a coalition with any seat they do get, as they are expected to pick up votes from across all the other parties.
From what has been suggested so far I can't see UKIP wanting to form a coalition with anyone. However I can see them supporting a minority government of any party providing they get support for the things they want (a referendum sooner rather than later IIRC).

Hol

8,361 posts

199 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Esseesse said:
Hol said:
It would be interesting to see who UKIP would join in a coalition with any seat they do get, as they are expected to pick up votes from across all the other parties.
From what has been suggested so far I can't see UKIP wanting to form a coalition with anyone. However I can see them supporting a minority government of any party providing they get support for the things they want (a referendum sooner rather than later IIRC).
I think you could be right,
That is effectively when the Libs did last time.

Its also how it works in places like Germany, when coalitions are the norm.

Steffan

10,362 posts

227 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Given the lead in all the polls on Rochester shown for UKIP of more than 12% if Reckless does not get returned the pollsters will be out of a job. A margin of error as great as that would nullify the reason for polls. For some months now I think UK politics has demonstrated a visible change of mood in the electorate. Matters such as excessive immigration and the like are now being admitted and discussed.

Quite where Cameron and Co will go with this is an interesting question. Milliband and Co are dead ducks I hope. The shrill screams of the awful Yvette Cooper serve mainly to remind us all exactly why we would prefer to vote elsewhere. 2015 is going to be a watershed year politically I think. Major changes will follow IMO. Not before time. Membership of the EU must be an open question if UKIP produce two by election results this challenging one after another. I suspect much of the future of the UK politically will fall into the hands of Nigel Farage.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Polls are used at least as much to influence opinion as to measure opinion.

Claudia Skies

1,098 posts

115 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Esseesse said:
Polls are used at least as much to influence opinion as to measure opinion.
Remember, the only opinions you'll find in Rochester/Strood are chav opinions. Weird place.

XJ Flyer

5,526 posts

129 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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crankedup said:
We only need to glance across to some of our E.U. partners to see what could be in store for us, the dismissal of established Parties in favour of the untried variety. Lots of people will say that the Country has been f*cked over by the established two parties during the past 50 years, something I tend to agree with.
If the silent majority decide to vote this time around (about 60% of population?) who knows where we may end up and who governs us.
Farage now has an open goal and holding the balance of power after the general election instead of the Lidems is UKIP's to lose.In view of which I think not backing Reckless' obvious views concerning the immigration issue in the face of media pressure was a stupid mistake.

GetCarter

29,358 posts

278 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Reckless ... says it all.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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GetCarter said:
Reckless ... says it all.
Tell us how.

GetCarter

29,358 posts

278 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Axionknight said:
GetCarter said:
Reckless ... says it all.
Tell us how.
It's all in the name. Go look.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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GetCarter said:
Axionknight said:
GetCarter said:
Reckless ... says it all.
Tell us how.
It's all in the name. Go look.
Weak. Got something substantive to add?

GetCarter

29,358 posts

278 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Esseesse said:
GetCarter said:
Axionknight said:
GetCarter said:
Reckless ... says it all.
Tell us how.
It's all in the name. Go look.
Weak. Got something substantive to add?
Ha. Nice post.

Despite it being from the (pretty useless) guardian:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/19/uki...

Top shop tosser.

ETA..God help us all if people like this get to rule.

Edited by GetCarter on Thursday 20th November 15:37

Phil1

621 posts

281 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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The smell of desperation fills the thread.

Axionknight

8,505 posts

134 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Wow, simply devastating stuff right there.

richardxjr

7,561 posts

209 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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GetCarter said:
God help us all if people like this get to rule.
Yes, the present lot are so lovely smile


GetCarter

29,358 posts

278 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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richardxjr said:
GetCarter said:
God help us all if people like this get to rule.
Yes, the present lot are so lovely smile
Don't get me wrong. Hate the current lot!

jogon

2,971 posts

157 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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Have a listen to Kelly Tollhurst, Tory PPC for Rochester and Strood - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqa4Yduikc

laugh

GetCarter

29,358 posts

278 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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jogon said:
Have a listen to Kelly Tollhurst, Tory PPC for Rochester and Strood - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gkqa4Yduikc

laugh
Wow. UkIP will storm this if that's the best the Tory's have to offer.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

243 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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GetCarter said:
.God help us all if people like this get to rule.
Well since he was a Tory M.P. he already did, in as far as he's going to as a UKIP back bencher.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

243 months

Thursday 20th November 2014
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GetCarter said:
Don't get me wrong. Hate the current lot!
If I was you I'd be a little more worried about the fascist party that is the SNP.