Common Purpose, who are they?

[audidoody]

This tells you everything you need to know about how CP works:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Homer

[tangerine_sedge]

Countdown said:

tangerine_sedge said:

Of course, there were no screw-ups before CP? CP is just a different method for the old boys network, getting jobs for each other as has always happened.

It's rather simplistic to just blame all those problems on CP, but it makes a good conspiracy theory and is easy for the hard of thinking to follow.

Somebody mention tin-foil hats?

http://www.stopcp.com/

That website is definitely an amusing read, managing to make 2+2=CP. Take for example their statement about a CP police state. It consists of several leaps of logic to paint a dystopian future world, but then doesn't even bother to tie these statements to CP at all. CP is not mentioned other than in the title.

I'm particularly amused that their front page claims the following : "I have not received any legal challenge or complaint from Common Purpose or its named associates about the allegations of corruption made on this website. Why not?"

I wonder why not indeed?

[tangerine_sedge]

audidoody said:

This tells you everything you need to know about how CP works:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Homer

No it doesn't. It doesn't mention CP at all...

[Countdown]

audidoody said:

This tells you everything you need to know about how CP works:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Homer

About as much as it tells you "everything you need to know about qualified lawyers" or "Companions of the Order of the Bath" I suppose.

[turbobloke]

tangerine_sedge said:

Of course, there were no screw-ups before CP? CP is just a different method for the old boys network, getting jobs for each other as has always happened.

It's rather simplistic to just blame all those problems on CP, but it makes a good conspiracy theory and is easy for the hard of thinking to follow.

About the hard of thinking reference, it's not applicable here so perhaps with your experience you could tell more about what it's like.

If the CP 'leaders' were just spectators then that's an excuse, sort-of, but then they're supposed to be "leaders" and "matrix graduates".

Matrix graduate

Not just a screw-up plus promotion but a catastrophic failure of leadership:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/a-ca...

The Staffs and Rotherham 'Common Purpose Effect':
http://www.ukcolumn.org/article/rotherham-common-p...

Plenty more to choose from but one will do for now:
http://www.cpexposed.com/latest-news/senior-police...

In general terms, it's hardly charitable to take mediocrity and get it over-promoted into inevitable failure. It might be worth somebody's while to set up a charity called Fitfor Purpose which trains actual leaders as opposed to CP wannabes and their apologists who would be hard of thinking if only there was room for thought among all the excuses.

[audidoody]

tangerine_sedge said:

No it doesn't. It doesn't mention CP at all...

OK.

As you're a bit slow off the mark today perhaps I can be of assistance.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Lin%2BHomer%2BCommon%2BPurpos...

[carinaman]

So a few Labour people are saying that Labour has become too left and too obessessed about the poor and the rich and not the people in the middle. Labour has become too left due to Common Purpose?

Edited by carinaman on Sunday 10th May 20:13

[NicD]

you will have to illustrate that proposition.

[Smiler.]

I see common purpose got a mention in episode 3 of the latest BBC documentary series W1A.

[wc98]

carinaman said:

So a few Labour people are saying that Labour has become too left and too obessessed about the poor and the rich and not the people in the middle. Labour has become too left due to Common Purpose?

Edited by carinaman on Sunday 10th May 20:13

labour you say ? http://www.cpexposed.com/latest-news/common-purpos...

[carinaman]

wc98 said:

Labour you say ? http://www.cpexposed.com/latest-news/common-purpos...

Yeah, voting Con or Lab gets CP it seems:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/10423070/...

[Countdown]

audidoody said:

tangerine_sedge said:

No it doesn't. It doesn't mention CP at all...

OK.

As you're a bit slow off the mark today perhaps I can be of assistance.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Lin%2BHomer%2BCommon%2BPurpos...

It's rare (but telling) when the Daily Mail link is one of the least "tinfoil battery" links returned by a google search.....

[carinaman]

Countdown said:

It's rare (but telling) when the Daily Mail link is one of the least "tinfoil battery" links returned by a google search.....

I can't remember if the Gove, Janner and young chap photo is from the Daily Mail 14 minutes in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfsfoBBIUPo

[turbobloke]

Countdown said:

audidoody said:

tangerine_sedge said:

No it doesn't. It doesn't mention CP at all...

OK.

As you're a bit slow off the mark today perhaps I can be of assistance.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Lin%2BHomer%2BCommon%2BPurpos...

It's rare (but telling) when the Daily Mail link is one of the least "tinfoil battery" links returned by a google search.....

It's telling to discover that you spent so long on the large number of webpages to be able to judge, and telling that what happened next after (not) doing so was effectively yet another vacuous personal angle.

Smiler. said:

I see common purpose got a mention in episode 3 of the latest BBC documentary series W1A.

27 April 2015. Daily Express. Not Daily Mail, no stannous millinery

Watchdog must get to grips with BBC bias...BBC election coverage is fast becoming as farcical as W1A... in what other world would a political panel comprising a Scottish socialist, Ken Livingstone’s favourite cartoonist and a “libertarian” American satirist be considered balanced...David Cameron being falsely labelled a fox-hunter by Andrew Marr...it is clear that the Corporation can no longer be trusted to investigate itself over impartiality...the outcome of the election, licence fee payers deserve an independent inquiry into the Corporation’s bias.

Will the new Culture Sec have the balls to do what's needed?

CP or not CP, that ^ is the question.

[dudleybloke]

Have any PH'ers been on a common purpose course?

[MrCarPark]

I don't really subscribe to the CP fifth column idea, but there was an interesting BBC interview on Westminster Green with a Tory advisor a couple of days ago.

In amongst the usual chat, this advisor (female) dropped into the conversation that there was now "real common purpose within the Conservative Party".

Just a coincidence I'm sure

[turbobloke]

MrCarPark said:

I don't really subscribe to the CP fifth column idea, but there was an interesting BBC interview on Westminster Green with a Tory advisor a couple of days ago.

In amongst the usual chat, this advisor (female) dropped into the conversation that there was now "real common purpose within the Conservative Party".

Just a coincidence I'm sure

It's not so much a fifth column. Judging by what actually happens at that level, it has the appearance of a means of persuading people they're fit for and heading for levels of responsibility they can't cope with. This may operate more frequently with the public sector and therefore (in terms of probability) those voting on the left of the political spectrum.

[Digga]

CP also persuades people to subvert procedure and protocol, where it clashes with their aims.

If you want to know quite how or why Blair's government were able to roll-out so much newspeak in so short a time and see large parts of it parroted back from the media and public alike, look no further. If you don't understand how or why this is undesirable in a democracy, jog on.

[turbobloke]

Digga said:

CP also persuades people to subvert procedure and protocol, where it clashes with their aims.

Yes, opertating 'outside' of whatever's inside.

Digga said:

If you want to know quite how or why Blair's government were able to roll-out so much newspeak in so short a time and see large parts of it parroted back from the media and public alike, look no further. If you don't understand how or why this is undesirable in a democracy, jog on.

Well said.

[tangerine_sedge]

turbobloke said:

It's not so much a fifth column. Judging by what actually happens at that level, it has the appearance of a means of persuading people they're fit for and heading for levels of responsibility they can't cope with.

How does that differ from the many management bullst courses available from other sources? There are plenty of crap senior managers in the private sector too, but they tend to just get moved on during the next re-organisation. I've certainly worked in a company whereby the entire senior managment team moved on when the head guy was asked to leave. They *all* went to another company and were replaced (almost man for man) by an entirely new management team who had all worked previoulsy together in a different organisation.

The real problem is corporate/public sector group-think rather than CP.

turbobloke said:

This may operate more frequently with the public sector and therefore (in terms of probability) those voting on the left of the political spectrum.

Group think operates in both private and public sectors, CP are focusing on the public sector, but each industry sector has it's own equivalent, whether it's Gartner influencing what tech companies should do, or specific groups of financial analysts pushing the market in a particualr direction.