Common Purpose, who are they?

[Digga]

Breadvan72 said:

Mnanagement gobbledegook is just like any other trend. Buzzwords and blether spread in all fields.

Don't take this as an ad hom', rather me pursuing a point that intuitively I believe to be correct, but I've seen an heard phrases used by people who, to put it kindly, are not capable of doing any task without it being spoon fed to them. I'm not sure there is not a degree of coaching and prompting going on.

Breadvan72 said:

As for sex education for children, of course I support it, and suggest that opposition to it is frankly weird. Would you rather children just stumble their way into early pregnancies and diseases? Is telling a little girl about menstruation so she doesn't freak out when it first happens a bad thing? Also, if there is an inference in the loony list above that people can be trained to be homosexual, that's more tinfoil woo.

This much, I do agree with, entirely.

[anonymous-user]

Esseesse said:

....sex education has lead to higher teenage pregnancy's. ...

Evidence, please. By the way, you don't need an apostrophe in a plural. HTH.

[turbobloke]

s2art said:

TTwiggy said:

jogon said:

Many think it was born from this idea and the 11 point plan.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School_cons...

The creation of racism offenses
Continual change to create confusion
The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
The undermining of schools' and teachers' authority
Huge immigration to destroy identity
The promotion of excessive drinking
Emptying of churches
An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
Dependency on the state or state benefits
Control and dumbing down of media
Encouraging the breakdown of the family

Cultural Marxism.

It should be acknowledged that this is a conspiracy theory. See my point about the moon landings/9-11.

I suggest you do a bit of research on Gramsci and cultural hegemony. Lots out there, call it a political movement or a conspiracy, but it exists.

If you're an opponent of cultural marxism then all you get is a line that the whole idea is a conspiracy.

Who'd think that a political movement would infiltrate and politicise public services, certainly New Labour did no such thing and the whole idea of Tony's Cronies is nonsense.

However, as EduSec, Gove (the public sector's favourite tory boy) needed to hose out the stables and others should have done likewise.

[BrassMan]

s2art said:

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Not really. Its well known that fascism evolved from syndicalism (a type of socialism) in Italy. Mussolini championed it, Hitler took in an a very dark direction by adding racism to the mix.

From Esseesse's link.

Daniel Hannan said:

Marx’s error, Hitler believed, had been to foster class war instead of national unity – to set workers against industrialists instead of conscripting both groups into a corporatist order. His aim, he told his economic adviser, Otto Wagener, was to “convert the German Volk to socialism without simply killing off the old individualists” – by which he meant the bankers and factory owners who could, he thought, serve socialism better by generating revenue for the state. “What Marxism, Leninism and Stalinism failed to accomplish,” he told Wagener, “we shall be in a position to achieve.”

Seems legit. Changed the focus from class war to strong nationalism, but the methods are still incompatible and competing for the same support base. A nationalist can't have their supporters identifying more with the people of similar economic status over the hill than with them, so the opposition has to be rooted out (see the suppression of trades unions). For the reverse you could probably look at The Left's enthusiasm for mass migration?

Interesting [wiki]
Yet this one talks of intellectuals defecting to the new Fascism while this (quite reasonable) list give anti-intellectualism as a significant characteristic.

[anonymous-user]

Digga said:

Breadvan72 said:

Mnanagement gobbledegook is just like any other trend. Buzzwords and blether spread in all fields.

Don't take this as an ad hom', rather me pursuing a point that intuitively I believe to be correct, but I've seen an heard phrases used by people who, to put it kindly, are not capable of doing any task without it being spoon fed to them. I'm not sure there is not a degree of coaching and prompting going on.

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Second rate types of the kind that too often populate management in public and private sectors tend willingly to embrace cant and jargon. Just read any report by McKinsey et al, if you can bear to without jumping off a cliff.

[Digga]

Well it goes some way to explaining the intransigence of Whitehall and the "different government, same st" results we keep getting.

[jogon]

Digga said:

Well it goes some way to explaining the intransigence of Whitehall and the "different government, same st" results we keep getting.

You only need to look at Denmark, Sweden, Holland, France and Germany who are all suffering from similar disastrous social policies. I do like a conspiracy theory but this one sounds all a little too close to home.

[TTwiggy]

s2art said:

TTwiggy said:

jogon said:

Many think it was born from this idea and the 11 point plan.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School_cons...

The creation of racism offenses
Continual change to create confusion
The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
The undermining of schools' and teachers' authority
Huge immigration to destroy identity
The promotion of excessive drinking
Emptying of churches
An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
Dependency on the state or state benefits
Control and dumbing down of media
Encouraging the breakdown of the family

Cultural Marxism.

It should be acknowledged that this is a conspiracy theory. See my point about the moon landings/9-11.

I suggest you do a bit of research on Gramsci and cultural hegemony. Lots out there, call it a political movement or a conspiracy, but it exists.

And I suggest you do some on Van Allen belts and controlled building demolition. They may be woo when connected to the moon landings or 9/11, but they exist!

[RobinBanks]

Paul Young song?

[anonymous-user]

The Cultural Marxism conspiracy theory is espoused by, amongst others, Anders Breivik, and is adopted by various anti semitic hate groups in the US. Are people here really putting it forward as something other than Jew-hating nonsense? Also, it's been a pretty rubbish plan, so far, it seems, as the western world is hardly in the grip of leftist domination.

Common Purpose makes pretty plain that it wants to train people to manage various organisations. It's hardly surprising if some people who have shared a training share some ideas. That doesn't make it a sinister cabal, especially when it's all done in the open. CP may well produce some of the mediocrity in management that we are plagued by, but you can get that from INSEAD and various MBA factories as well.

[s2art]

TTwiggy said:

s2art said:

TTwiggy said:

jogon said:

Many think it was born from this idea and the 11 point plan.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School_cons...

The creation of racism offenses
Continual change to create confusion
The teaching of sex and homosexuality to children
The undermining of schools' and teachers' authority
Huge immigration to destroy identity
The promotion of excessive drinking
Emptying of churches
An unreliable legal system with bias against victims of crime
Dependency on the state or state benefits
Control and dumbing down of media
Encouraging the breakdown of the family

Cultural Marxism.

It should be acknowledged that this is a conspiracy theory. See my point about the moon landings/9-11.

I suggest you do a bit of research on Gramsci and cultural hegemony. Lots out there, call it a political movement or a conspiracy, but it exists.

And I suggest you do some on Van Allen belts and controlled building demolition. They may be woo when connected to the moon landings or 9/11, but they exist!

The difference is that common purpose, amongst other things, is informed by Gramsci's philosophy/politics. Dont take my word for it, do a bit of digging.

[greygoose]

Breadvan72 said:

As for sex education for children, of course I support it, and suggest that opposition to it is frankly weird. Would you rather children just stumble their way into early pregnancies and diseases? Is telling a little girl about menstruation so she doesn't freak out when it first happens a bad thing?

Certainly not, poor Carrie destroyed a town.

[Martin4x4]

Esseesse said:

I'd like to find out more, as they get mentioned fairly frequently on other threads. Do we know who they are yet and what they do?

Right wing conspiracy theorist like to paint it as some super secret underground government akin to the new world order. The reality is much more mundane, it is basically a training company for 'soft skills' and too wishy washy to any kind of real threat to liberty.

Edited by Martin4x4 on Friday 21st November 17:31

[anonymous-user]

Have many of you read Gramsci? I read him decades ago. I don't recall him setting out the woo shopping list cited above.

As for the Fabian Society as some sort of sinister machine, it's been around for ages, and has hardly been a secret. Usually derided by staunch lefties as being too right wing, too pragmatic, too bourgeois, what have you.

[anonymous-user]

Martin4x4 said:

Esseesse said:

I'd like to find out more, as they get mentioned fairly frequently on other threads. Do we know who they are yet and what they do?

Right wing conspiracy theorist like to paint it as some super secret underground government akin to the new world order. The reality is much more mundane, it is basically a training company for 'soft skills'.

This. It may well be rubbish, but that's by the by.

[s2art]

Breadvan72 said:

Have many of you read Gramsci? I read him decades ago. I don't recall him setting out the woo shopping list cited above.

As for the Fabian Society as some sort of sinister machine, it's been around for ages, and has hardly been a secret. Usually derided by staunch lefties as being too right wing, too pragmatic, too bourgeois, what have you.

I believe that list is from Martin Jay, referring to the Frankfurt School and critical theory. Gramsci was one of the intellectual forefathers of the Frankfurt school IIRC. Conspiracy is probably the wrong term to describe this (Common Purpose amongst others), its a political movement.

Edited by s2art on Friday 21st November 17:53

[jogon]

Breadvan72 said:

Martin4x4 said:

Esseesse said:

I'd like to find out more, as they get mentioned fairly frequently on other threads. Do we know who they are yet and what they do?

Right wing conspiracy theorist like to paint it as some super secret underground government akin to the new world order. The reality is much more mundane, it is basically a training company for 'soft skills'.

This. It may well be rubbish, but that's by the by.

What makes local councils, police and social services and even educational authorities turn a blind eye to the horrors that we have recently read about in Rotherham, Birmingham and umpteen other places across the country.

What possible reason would they have to cover this up for over 20 years?

Social cohesion, political correctness, diversity - would any reasonable sane person put those ideas above the grooming and rape of underage girls many of the whom in social care.

But yes it is all a right wing conspiracy.

[Countdown]

jogon said:

You only need to look at Denmark, Sweden, Holland, France and Germany who are all suffering from similar disastrous social policies..

All countries have social problems (to various degrees).

To suggest that countries in Western Europe are "suffering from disastrous social policies" is swivel-eyed frothery. Generally speaking we have stable governments, law abiding populations, good standards of living, etc etc etc.

[turbobloke]

Countdown said:

jogon said:

You only need to look at Denmark, Sweden, Holland, France and Germany who are all suffering from similar disastrous social policies..

All countries have social problems (to various degrees).

To suggest that countries in Western Europe are "suffering from disastrous social policies" is swivel-eyed frothery.

Social problems caused by a common purpose and a daft idea, that of giving people something for nothing in the hope of votes. Those that promote this then manage to not only keep the recipients dependent adn in poverty but screw up whole countries and groups of countries.

The crumbling edifice of left-liberalism, now clearly a failure, is all around, swivel your own eyes and take a good look past those blinkers.

[jogon]

If you want to watch Common Purpose in action see if you can cope with 55min of this bullst..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b04plhkq/free...

A program called 'Free Speech' when one of the guest speakers is silenced.