Why the UKIP will never work....
Discussion
sidicks said:
NicD said:
'Nice', show me nice from the UKIP haters?
All I see is slander, half baked character assassination, inane attempts to bait and assorted idiocy.
If you want to understand the UKIP policies, go to their website. Don't come on here with what you 'remember'.
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people
They are the BEST set of political aims I have seen BY FAR! If Carlsberg did politics, it would be UKIP.
If you say, how can they fund specific items, I would understand as that is the most difficult aspect but UKIP are not in power yet and the hard part is yet to come.
What a UKIP Government will doUKIP Stuff
All I see is slander, half baked character assassination, inane attempts to bait and assorted idiocy.
If you want to understand the UKIP policies, go to their website. Don't come on here with what you 'remember'.
http://www.ukip.org/policies_for_people
They are the BEST set of political aims I have seen BY FAR! If Carlsberg did politics, it would be UKIP.
If you say, how can they fund specific items, I would understand as that is the most difficult aspect but UKIP are not in power yet and the hard part is yet to come.
What a UKIP Government will doUKIP Stuff
wiggy001 said:
There's only one line in that manifesto that I'm not sure I agree with: "UKIP will require foreign vehicles to purchase a Britdisc, before entry to the UK, in order to contribute to the upkeep of UK roads and any lost fuel duty.".
And that is only because I don't understand the effect that might have on pricing of imports.
Other than that, crack on!
For total parity with UK hauliers, the Britdisc might be priced the same as UK VED for a similar vehicle, about £1,000.And that is only because I don't understand the effect that might have on pricing of imports.
Other than that, crack on!
Given that a European haulier will spend in excess of £40,000 a year per vehicle on fuel (at French prices), £30,000+ paying driver(s), £6-10,000 on vehicle leasing/depreciation and £2-4,000 on servicing, another grand isn't going to make a noticeable difference to freight rates or import costs.
HTH
And now I've replied to a thread that I recently asked to be closed...
Asterix said:
There's little I disagree with above - I did notice, however, nothing is mentioned regarding the House of Lords.
Good point!To me, it is an aberration. Started as an unfair house of privilege, but at least those 'lords' had a vested interest in the country. Has descended into an expensive pig trough of third rate patronage.
OK, I know some/many are well educated and do a good job.
But what really upsets me, these troughers can officially 'lord' it over me and change/delay/stop legislation by elected representatives..
Incredible in this day and age.
For the record, I have only insulted people when they have insulted me first. And even then I have frequently refrained from responding to much of the abuse I have received when I am trying to raise serious points.
As to the rest, I agree there are some "UKIP-haters" whose abuse I do not agree with. But I would say they are more than outweighed for the abuse shown for the other parties. By all means lets lock threads and ban people, but at least do it with consistency. There are some Kippers who are at least as abusive as the anti-Kippers, with many criticisms of the other parties repeated long after they have been proven to be completely untrue.
I remain convinced that the UKIP policies are a mix of good policies, woolly nonsense and unfunded wishes that would defeat Tinkerbell. What happened to all the "I disagree with you but I'll defend your right to say it to the death"? Doesn't that apply to criticism of UKIP?
As to the rest, I agree there are some "UKIP-haters" whose abuse I do not agree with. But I would say they are more than outweighed for the abuse shown for the other parties. By all means lets lock threads and ban people, but at least do it with consistency. There are some Kippers who are at least as abusive as the anti-Kippers, with many criticisms of the other parties repeated long after they have been proven to be completely untrue.
I remain convinced that the UKIP policies are a mix of good policies, woolly nonsense and unfunded wishes that would defeat Tinkerbell. What happened to all the "I disagree with you but I'll defend your right to say it to the death"? Doesn't that apply to criticism of UKIP?
JustAnotherLogin said:
For the record, I have only insulted people when they have insulted me first. And even then I have frequently refrained from responding to much of the abuse I have received when I am trying to raise serious points.
As to the rest, I agree there are some "UKIP-haters" whose abuse I do not agree with. But I would say they are more than outweighed for the abuse shown for the other parties. By all means lets lock threads and ban people, but at least do it with consistency. There are some Kippers who are at least as abusive as the anti-Kippers, with many criticisms of the other parties repeated long after they have been proven to be completely untrue.
I remain convinced that the UKIP policies are a mix of good policies, woolly nonsense and unfunded wishes that would defeat Tinkerbell. What happened to all the "I disagree with you but I'll defend your right to say it to the death"? Doesn't that apply to criticism of UKIP?
Criticism is fine - blatant misrepresentation, offensive claims and economic ignorance will always receive a blunt response....As to the rest, I agree there are some "UKIP-haters" whose abuse I do not agree with. But I would say they are more than outweighed for the abuse shown for the other parties. By all means lets lock threads and ban people, but at least do it with consistency. There are some Kippers who are at least as abusive as the anti-Kippers, with many criticisms of the other parties repeated long after they have been proven to be completely untrue.
I remain convinced that the UKIP policies are a mix of good policies, woolly nonsense and unfunded wishes that would defeat Tinkerbell. What happened to all the "I disagree with you but I'll defend your right to say it to the death"? Doesn't that apply to criticism of UKIP?
JustAnotherLogin said:
I remain convinced that the UKIP policies are a mix of good policies, woolly nonsense and unfunded wishes that would defeat Tinkerbell. What happened to all the "I disagree with you but I'll defend your right to say it to the death"? Doesn't that apply to criticism of UKIP?
This may be so, what is important, which is which and how the 'criticism' is levelled.I would be very happy for you to pick policies from the current UKIP list above and say which of your categories apply and why.
So long as baiting is avoided, we could have a discussion.
Of course, it matters little what we on here think or say, there is a wider world out there.
NicD said:
JustAnotherLogin said:
I remain convinced that the UKIP policies are a mix of good policies, woolly nonsense and unfunded wishes that would defeat Tinkerbell. What happened to all the "I disagree with you but I'll defend your right to say it to the death"? Doesn't that apply to criticism of UKIP?
This may be so, what is important, which is which and how the 'criticism' is levelled.I would be very happy for you to pick policies from the current UKIP list above and say which of your categories apply and why.
So long as baiting is avoided, we could have a discussion.
Of course, it matters little what we on here think or say, there is a wider world out there.
So, for example: -
woolly nonsense: – "We will resource fully our military assets and personnel." means absolutely nothing
Irrelevant- – Schools will be investigated by OFSTED on the presentation of a petition to the Department for Education signed by 25% of parents or governors.
Unfunded wish list- well you can't pick one example of this, because any single measure can of course be funded, just that the whole package cannot be (IMHO, and unfortunately Farage has not yet delivered on his promise to have the funding independently assessed)
Wrong- – "UKIP will set up a Treasury Commission to design a turnover tax to ensure big businesses pay a minimum floor rate of tax as a proportion of their UK turnover" I think most Kippers on the other thread have agreed that is unworkable
From: justAnotherLogin
I should have also included categories of "irrelevant" and "wrong"
So, for example: -
woolly nonsense: – "We will resource fully our military assets and personnel." means absolutely nothing
Nicd>> dont agree, means something
Irrelevant- – Schools will be investigated by OFSTED on the presentation of a petition to the Department for Education signed by 25% of parents or governors.
Nicd>> Not Irrelevant
Unfunded wish list- well you can't pick one example of this, because any single measure can of course be funded, just that the whole package cannot be (IMHO, and unfortunately Farage has not yet delivered on his promise to have the funding independently assessed)
Wrong- – "UKIP will set up a Treasury Commission to design a turnover tax to ensure big businesses pay a minimum floor rate of tax as a proportion of their UK turnover" I think most Kippers on the other thread have agreed that is unworkable
Nicd>> I am not one who you refer to, a great idea, may be difficult though if all the best tax lawyers are in the pay of the cheats.
/quote
Wow, look how easy it is to be glib.
I should have also included categories of "irrelevant" and "wrong"
So, for example: -
woolly nonsense: – "We will resource fully our military assets and personnel." means absolutely nothing
Nicd>> dont agree, means something
Irrelevant- – Schools will be investigated by OFSTED on the presentation of a petition to the Department for Education signed by 25% of parents or governors.
Nicd>> Not Irrelevant
Unfunded wish list- well you can't pick one example of this, because any single measure can of course be funded, just that the whole package cannot be (IMHO, and unfortunately Farage has not yet delivered on his promise to have the funding independently assessed)
Wrong- – "UKIP will set up a Treasury Commission to design a turnover tax to ensure big businesses pay a minimum floor rate of tax as a proportion of their UK turnover" I think most Kippers on the other thread have agreed that is unworkable
Nicd>> I am not one who you refer to, a great idea, may be difficult though if all the best tax lawyers are in the pay of the cheats.
/quote
Wow, look how easy it is to be glib.
NicD said:
From: justAnotherLogin
I should have also included categories of "irrelevant" and "wrong"
So, for example: -
woolly nonsense: – "We will resource fully our military assets and personnel." means absolutely nothing
Nicd>> dont agree, means something
What does it mean? I should have also included categories of "irrelevant" and "wrong"
So, for example: -
woolly nonsense: – "We will resource fully our military assets and personnel." means absolutely nothing
Nicd>> dont agree, means something
It could mean we have one soldier with an SA80 but he's going to be paid £100k a year plus final salary pension or it could mean we are going to have a military force equivalent to the US and Russia combined and fund it by mortgaging UK Plc to Qatar and the Chinese.
It's meaningless.
s2art said:
vonuber said:
Well judging by the responses here ukip aren't the nice party are they.
Incidentally, are they still anti gay marriage and also wanting to privatise the nhs? It's hard to keep up with their other non send 'em back policies.
Compared to what? Labour who oversaw young girls being raped by the thousand? Conservatives who prefer to give billions away and let people die of cold due to green taxes (Labour included in that). Where is the high ground here?Incidentally, are they still anti gay marriage and also wanting to privatise the nhs? It's hard to keep up with their other non send 'em back policies.
NicD said:
From: justAnotherLogin
I should have also included categories of "irrelevant" and "wrong"
So, for example: -
woolly nonsense: – "We will resource fully our military assets and personnel." means absolutely nothing
Nicd>> dont agree, means something
Irrelevant- – Schools will be investigated by OFSTED on the presentation of a petition to the Department for Education signed by 25% of parents or governors.
Nicd>> Not Irrelevant
/quote
Wow, look how easy it is to be glib.
Countdown has addressed the military funding one, for which I look forward to your answer. Why is the schools one relevant when OFSTED already conduct inspections based on complaints from far fewer than 25% of the parents or governors. As I quoted on the UKIP thread, figures for a few years ago showed that 4 inspections were made based on fewer than 30 complaints. I should have also included categories of "irrelevant" and "wrong"
So, for example: -
woolly nonsense: – "We will resource fully our military assets and personnel." means absolutely nothing
Nicd>> dont agree, means something
Irrelevant- – Schools will be investigated by OFSTED on the presentation of a petition to the Department for Education signed by 25% of parents or governors.
Nicd>> Not Irrelevant
/quote
Wow, look how easy it is to be glib.
So yes, that policy is irrelevant- unless UKIP are asking for parents voices ti be heard less?
JustAnotherLogin said:
NicD said:
From: justAnotherLogin
I should have also included categories of "irrelevant" and "wrong"
So, for example: -
woolly nonsense: – "We will resource fully our military assets and personnel." means absolutely nothing
Nicd>> dont agree, means something
Irrelevant- – Schools will be investigated by OFSTED on the presentation of a petition to the Department for Education signed by 25% of parents or governors.
Nicd>> Not Irrelevant
/quote
Wow, look how easy it is to be glib.
Countdown has addressed the military funding one, for which I look forward to your answer. Why is the schools one relevant when OFSTED already conduct inspections based on complaints from far fewer than 25% of the parents or governors. As I quoted on the UKIP thread, figures for a few years ago showed that 4 inspections were made based on fewer than 30 complaints. I should have also included categories of "irrelevant" and "wrong"
So, for example: -
woolly nonsense: – "We will resource fully our military assets and personnel." means absolutely nothing
Nicd>> dont agree, means something
Irrelevant- – Schools will be investigated by OFSTED on the presentation of a petition to the Department for Education signed by 25% of parents or governors.
Nicd>> Not Irrelevant
/quote
Wow, look how easy it is to be glib.
So yes, that policy is irrelevant- unless UKIP are asking for parents voices ti be heard less?
I absolutely stand by mine.
'We will resource fully our military assets and personnel.' means exactly what it says,and certainly NOT 'nonsense' or 'nothing'
How can 'Schools will be investigated by OFSTED on the presentation of a petition to the Department for Education signed by 25% of parents or governors' be irrelevant? Irrelevant to what?
You need to learn some precision with language if you want to be taken seriously.
How many f
king Tory defectors to UKIP does it take before people realise they are just The Tory Pary mark 2.0?
Here's 12
Nigel Farage
Of all the many many things that Farage has said and done to actually prove that he's still a Tory at heart is the way he lionises Margaret Thatcher and declares himself and UKIP to be the heirs to Thatcherism. A man can hardly declare that he is the only politician "keeping the flame of Thatcherism alive" without looking like a Tory in a purple tie.
Stuart Wheeler
The guy who is really running the show is the Eton educated UKIP party treasurer Stuart Wheeler. Wheeler made his fortune setting up the spread betting firm IG Index in the 1970s. Until 2011 he was a Tory party supporter, so much so that the £5 million donation he made to the Tories in 2001 to bankroll their General Election campaign is still the single largest political donation in British political history.
Wheeler has gone from bankrolling the Tory party to bankrolling UKIP, and he's brought a large network of other former Tory party donors with him. UKIP is bankrolled by former Tory party donors to such an extent that 90% of their donations now come from the people who used to bankroll the Tory party!
Neil Hamilton
The Tory MP for Tatton Neil Hamilton became a political joke after he was caught up in the cash for questions scandal in 1994. Despite having the fourth strongest Tory majority in the whole country Hamilton was easily defeated by the anti-corruption campaigner Martin Bell at the 1997 General Election. In 2011 Nigel Farage handed Neil Hamilton his ticket back into politics by supporting his bid to join the UKIP National Executive Committee. By 2014 Hamilton had worked his way up to deputy Chairman of the party and campaign director for the 2014 European Elections.
William Legge
Eton educated William Legge (or "The 10th Earl of Dartmouth" to use his establishment title) was a Tory member of the unelected House of Lords from 1999 to 2007. In 2009 he was elected as a UKIP MEP for the South West region, which I suppose is actually better than simply being appointed to the bloated anti-democratic shambles that is the House of Lords. The point still stands that he's one of the many former Tories now wearing the purple and yellow of UKIP.
Roger Helmer
Roger Helmer is another Tory MEP to have defected to UKIP. He was originally elected a Conservative MEP in 1999, but defected to UKIP in 2012. Many people have taken offence at Helmer's bigotry (claiming that rape victims "share a part of the responsibility", comparing gay equality with bigotry and incest, claiming that homophobia is a meaningless word ...) and his climate change denialism.
Janice Atkinson
Janice Atkinson sprung into the public consciousness when she decided to verbally abuse some Green Party activists and was photographed making obscene gestures at them during the 2014 European election campaign. Despite this loutish behaviour she was still elected as a UKIP MEP for the South East. Before Janice Atkinson defected to UKIP in 2011 she was a failed Tory. She was a press officer for the Tory party during their disastrous 2005 General Election campaign and in 2010 she was a failed Tory parliamentary candidate in the West Yorkshire constituency of Batley and Spen.
Bill Etheridge
Bill Etheridge is another of the crop of Tory party failures to have joined UKIP before the 2014 European elections. Prospective Tory party councilors Bill and his wife Star resigned from the party after having been suspended for posting pictures of themselves holding golliwog dolls on social media.Nigel Farage was given reason to regret welcoming Etheridge into the UKIP fold when he decided to advise a UKIP youth conference that they should try to imitate the speaking style of Adolf Hitler!
Nathan Gill
Yet another embarrassing addition to the UKIP fold as a result of the 2014 European elections is the former Tory party activist Nathan Gill. Shortly after he was elected as the UKIP MEP for Wales it was revealed that until 2008 he had run a home care company in Hull that had mainly employed Polish and Phillipino immigrants on poverty wages, many of them living in bunkhouse accommodation. Gill didn't close his immigrant reliant business because of any new found opposition to immigration, the business went bankrupt with debts of £116,000.
Amjad Bashir
Amjad Bashir is yet another long-term Tory party activist turned UKIP MEP. He explained that his main reasons for joining UKIP are to remove the UK from the EU, his opposition to gay equality and his desire to dramatically cut down on immigration.
Douglas Carswell
Despite his propensity for expenses scamming (flipping his second home, getting the taxpayer to pay for all manner of expensive furniture and subsidise his food bills) and his climate change denialism, Charterhouse educated Douglas Carswell was a darling of the Tory party, attracting glowing praise from the Telegraph, the Spectator and the Tory blogger Guido Fawkes. Despite all of the praise, Carswell's main political achievement within the Tory party seems to have been the ridiculous campaign to politicise the police by introducing elected PCCs, a policy which resulted in the lowest electoral turnouts since universal suffrage!
Mark Reckless
Before he defected to UKIP a few of the only notable things he did were joining five other Tories to vote against the tripling of "aspiration taxes" for university students, excusing the fact that he missed a parliamentary vote by claiming that he was too drunk and laying into Douglas Carswell for defecting to UKIP!
David Silvester
The eleven other people mentioned in this article have all defected from the Tory party and achieved important positions within UKIP (party leader, deputy chairman, MEP, party treasurer, candidate MPs ...) however it is important not to forget the dozens and dozens of Tory party councilors to have defected to UKIP too.
Until 2013 David Silvester was a Tory councilor in Henley-on-Thames, but then he decided to defect to UKIP. He hit the headlines in 2014 when he decided to blame the Somerset Floods on the introduction of gay equality legislation (in my view one of the very few decent things the Tory led government has actually done).
UKIP initially tried to defend Silvester's absurd comments by saying they were just his own personal opinion, however Nigel Farage went on to say that it was "incredibly damaging" when "defectors" from the Conservative Party join Ukip and say "appalling and outrageous things". If Farage is really so concerned about defectors from the Tory party damaging the reputation of his party, one has to wonder why he continues to allow extremists from the far-right fringe of the Tory party to flood into his party through the door that he is holding open for them?
And people claim UKIP are not connected to the right-wing of the Tory Party, absolute rubbish, they are a right-wing hate mob.
king Tory defectors to UKIP does it take before people realise they are just The Tory Pary mark 2.0?Here's 12
Nigel Farage
Of all the many many things that Farage has said and done to actually prove that he's still a Tory at heart is the way he lionises Margaret Thatcher and declares himself and UKIP to be the heirs to Thatcherism. A man can hardly declare that he is the only politician "keeping the flame of Thatcherism alive" without looking like a Tory in a purple tie.
Stuart Wheeler
The guy who is really running the show is the Eton educated UKIP party treasurer Stuart Wheeler. Wheeler made his fortune setting up the spread betting firm IG Index in the 1970s. Until 2011 he was a Tory party supporter, so much so that the £5 million donation he made to the Tories in 2001 to bankroll their General Election campaign is still the single largest political donation in British political history.
Wheeler has gone from bankrolling the Tory party to bankrolling UKIP, and he's brought a large network of other former Tory party donors with him. UKIP is bankrolled by former Tory party donors to such an extent that 90% of their donations now come from the people who used to bankroll the Tory party!
Neil Hamilton
The Tory MP for Tatton Neil Hamilton became a political joke after he was caught up in the cash for questions scandal in 1994. Despite having the fourth strongest Tory majority in the whole country Hamilton was easily defeated by the anti-corruption campaigner Martin Bell at the 1997 General Election. In 2011 Nigel Farage handed Neil Hamilton his ticket back into politics by supporting his bid to join the UKIP National Executive Committee. By 2014 Hamilton had worked his way up to deputy Chairman of the party and campaign director for the 2014 European Elections.
William Legge
Eton educated William Legge (or "The 10th Earl of Dartmouth" to use his establishment title) was a Tory member of the unelected House of Lords from 1999 to 2007. In 2009 he was elected as a UKIP MEP for the South West region, which I suppose is actually better than simply being appointed to the bloated anti-democratic shambles that is the House of Lords. The point still stands that he's one of the many former Tories now wearing the purple and yellow of UKIP.
Roger Helmer
Roger Helmer is another Tory MEP to have defected to UKIP. He was originally elected a Conservative MEP in 1999, but defected to UKIP in 2012. Many people have taken offence at Helmer's bigotry (claiming that rape victims "share a part of the responsibility", comparing gay equality with bigotry and incest, claiming that homophobia is a meaningless word ...) and his climate change denialism.
Janice Atkinson
Janice Atkinson sprung into the public consciousness when she decided to verbally abuse some Green Party activists and was photographed making obscene gestures at them during the 2014 European election campaign. Despite this loutish behaviour she was still elected as a UKIP MEP for the South East. Before Janice Atkinson defected to UKIP in 2011 she was a failed Tory. She was a press officer for the Tory party during their disastrous 2005 General Election campaign and in 2010 she was a failed Tory parliamentary candidate in the West Yorkshire constituency of Batley and Spen.
Bill Etheridge
Bill Etheridge is another of the crop of Tory party failures to have joined UKIP before the 2014 European elections. Prospective Tory party councilors Bill and his wife Star resigned from the party after having been suspended for posting pictures of themselves holding golliwog dolls on social media.Nigel Farage was given reason to regret welcoming Etheridge into the UKIP fold when he decided to advise a UKIP youth conference that they should try to imitate the speaking style of Adolf Hitler!
Nathan Gill
Yet another embarrassing addition to the UKIP fold as a result of the 2014 European elections is the former Tory party activist Nathan Gill. Shortly after he was elected as the UKIP MEP for Wales it was revealed that until 2008 he had run a home care company in Hull that had mainly employed Polish and Phillipino immigrants on poverty wages, many of them living in bunkhouse accommodation. Gill didn't close his immigrant reliant business because of any new found opposition to immigration, the business went bankrupt with debts of £116,000.
Amjad Bashir
Amjad Bashir is yet another long-term Tory party activist turned UKIP MEP. He explained that his main reasons for joining UKIP are to remove the UK from the EU, his opposition to gay equality and his desire to dramatically cut down on immigration.
Douglas Carswell
Despite his propensity for expenses scamming (flipping his second home, getting the taxpayer to pay for all manner of expensive furniture and subsidise his food bills) and his climate change denialism, Charterhouse educated Douglas Carswell was a darling of the Tory party, attracting glowing praise from the Telegraph, the Spectator and the Tory blogger Guido Fawkes. Despite all of the praise, Carswell's main political achievement within the Tory party seems to have been the ridiculous campaign to politicise the police by introducing elected PCCs, a policy which resulted in the lowest electoral turnouts since universal suffrage!
Mark Reckless
Before he defected to UKIP a few of the only notable things he did were joining five other Tories to vote against the tripling of "aspiration taxes" for university students, excusing the fact that he missed a parliamentary vote by claiming that he was too drunk and laying into Douglas Carswell for defecting to UKIP!
David Silvester
The eleven other people mentioned in this article have all defected from the Tory party and achieved important positions within UKIP (party leader, deputy chairman, MEP, party treasurer, candidate MPs ...) however it is important not to forget the dozens and dozens of Tory party councilors to have defected to UKIP too.
Until 2013 David Silvester was a Tory councilor in Henley-on-Thames, but then he decided to defect to UKIP. He hit the headlines in 2014 when he decided to blame the Somerset Floods on the introduction of gay equality legislation (in my view one of the very few decent things the Tory led government has actually done).
UKIP initially tried to defend Silvester's absurd comments by saying they were just his own personal opinion, however Nigel Farage went on to say that it was "incredibly damaging" when "defectors" from the Conservative Party join Ukip and say "appalling and outrageous things". If Farage is really so concerned about defectors from the Tory party damaging the reputation of his party, one has to wonder why he continues to allow extremists from the far-right fringe of the Tory party to flood into his party through the door that he is holding open for them?
And people claim UKIP are not connected to the right-wing of the Tory Party, absolute rubbish, they are a right-wing hate mob.
JBF50 said:
How many fking Tory defectors to UKIP does it take before people realise they are just The Tory Pary mark 2.0?
And people claim UKIP are not connected to the right-wing of the Tory Party, absolute rubbish, they are a right-wing hate mob
And yet their policies are very different...king Tory defectors to UKIP does it take before people realise they are just The Tory Pary mark 2.0?And people claim UKIP are not connected to the right-wing of the Tory Party, absolute rubbish, they are a right-wing hate mob
I can't believe you've signed up to a motoring forum simply to post ignorant anti-UKIP nonsense.
sidicks said:
JBF50 said:
How many fking Tory defectors to UKIP does it take before people realise they are just The Tory Pary mark 2.0?
And people claim UKIP are not connected to the right-wing of the Tory Party, absolute rubbish, they are a right-wing hate mob
And yet their policies are very different...king Tory defectors to UKIP does it take before people realise they are just The Tory Pary mark 2.0?And people claim UKIP are not connected to the right-wing of the Tory Party, absolute rubbish, they are a right-wing hate mob
I can't believe you've signed up to a motoring forum simply to post ignorant anti-UKIP nonsense.
Original article here :
http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/12...
handpaper said:
It's worse - he's signed up to a motoring website to post plagiarised, unattributed UKIP nonsense.
Original article here :
http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/12...
That blog takes economic ignorance to a whole new level.Original article here :
http://anotherangryvoice.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/12...
sidicks said:
JBF50 said:
How many fking Tory defectors to UKIP does it take before people realise they are just The Tory Pary mark 2.0?
And people claim UKIP are not connected to the right-wing of the Tory Party, absolute rubbish, they are a right-wing hate mob
And yet their policies are very different...king Tory defectors to UKIP does it take before people realise they are just The Tory Pary mark 2.0?And people claim UKIP are not connected to the right-wing of the Tory Party, absolute rubbish, they are a right-wing hate mob
I can't believe you've signed up to a motoring forum simply to post ignorant anti-UKIP nonsense.
'connected' means joined together.
That is demonstrably not so.
Originated in, perhaps, but so what?
and hate, the only hate I see is from mouthy ignoramus anti UKIP types, this one seems a Liebore supporter.
and mob, what mob?
I despair of these types.
JBF50 said:
How many fking Tory defectors to UKIP does it take before people realise they are just The Tory Pary mark 2.0?
And people claim UKIP are not connected to the right-wing of the Tory Party, absolute rubbish, they are a right-wing hate mob.
Right wing hate mob. Good populist phrase there, well done. Wolfie would be proud of you.king Tory defectors to UKIP does it take before people realise they are just The Tory Pary mark 2.0?And people claim UKIP are not connected to the right-wing of the Tory Party, absolute rubbish, they are a right-wing hate mob.
Of course, that makes all the people that vote UKIP part of that mob, and clearly deserving of your contempt, superior knowledge, insight and general wisdom.
It also illustrates exactly why UKIP has appeal across the political spectrum - they frighten the established political groups, who suddenly have to stop issuing the usual patronising w
k and elitist claptrap and get closer to reality.And that scares them, and you, into digging the hole a little deeper. The people who vote terrify you, they might really start looking at your negativity, dishonesty and spin and find it unattractive.
So, keep up the patronising lies, it all helps UKIP.
eldar said:
Right wing hate mob. Good populist phrase there, well done. Wolfie would be proud of you.
Of course, that makes all the people that vote UKIP part of that mob, and clearly deserving of your contempt, superior knowledge, insight and general wisdom.
It also illustrates exactly why UKIP has appeal across the political spectrum - they frighten the established political groups, who suddenly have to stop issuing the usual patronising wk and elitist claptrap and get closer to reality.
And that scares them, and you, into digging the hole a little deeper. The people who vote terrify you, they might really start looking at your negativity, dishonesty and spin and find it unattractive.
So, keep up the patronising lies, it all helps UKIP.
UKIP have not appealed across the political spectrum, the dozen Tory defectors I listed are not representative of the UK electorate, they are right-wing zealots who have no place in a multi-cultural UK. That is why UKIP won't work and will never have real power in this country, they are a protest party at best, at worst they are a right-wing hate mob. Care to comment on the dozen individuals I listed? Nah I thought as much.Of course, that makes all the people that vote UKIP part of that mob, and clearly deserving of your contempt, superior knowledge, insight and general wisdom.
It also illustrates exactly why UKIP has appeal across the political spectrum - they frighten the established political groups, who suddenly have to stop issuing the usual patronising w
k and elitist claptrap and get closer to reality.And that scares them, and you, into digging the hole a little deeper. The people who vote terrify you, they might really start looking at your negativity, dishonesty and spin and find it unattractive.
So, keep up the patronising lies, it all helps UKIP.
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