Why the UKIP will never work....

[XJ Flyer]

JBF50 said:

UKIP have not appealed across the political spectrum, the dozen Tory defectors I listed are not representative of the UK electorate, they are right-wing zealots who have no place in a multi-cultural UK. That is why UKIP won't work and will never have real power in this country, they are a protest party at best, at worst they are a right-wing hate mob. Care to comment on the dozen individuals I listed? Nah I thought as much.

All of which depends on the idea that the indigenous population haven't had enough of the so called 'multi cultural' cheap labour pro immigration agenda.At best overpopulated immigrant enclaves and low wages and at worst the 'British' Jihadist cause being the logical conclusion of that.As for UKIP being anti immigration they've made their position clear in being no different to the LabLibdemCon alliance in that regard being that the R ( repatriation ) word is also out of bounds in UKIP land.

[sidicks]

JBF50 said:

UKIP have not appealed across the political spectrum,

Evidence suggests otherwise.

JBF50 said:

the dozen Tory defectors I listed are not representative of the UK electorate, they are right-wing zealots who have no place in a multi-cultural UK. That is why UKIP won't work and will never have real power in this country, they are a protest party at best, at worst they are a right-wing hate mob.

You're clearly someone who thinks that anyone who doesn't share communist views is 'right wing'.

Total ignorant nonsense.

[XJ Flyer]

sidicks said:

JBF50 said:

UKIP have not appealed across the political spectrum,

Evidence suggests otherwise.

JBF50 said:

the dozen Tory defectors I listed are not representative of the UK electorate, they are right-wing zealots who have no place in a multi-cultural UK. That is why UKIP won't work and will never have real power in this country, they are a protest party at best, at worst they are a right-wing hate mob.

You're clearly someone who thinks that anyone who doesn't share communist views is 'right wing'.

To be fair the cheap labour agenda of the so called centre Cons and their CBI allies have done as much to promote that view as the Socialist Workers Party.Not surprising being that selling the country out to the Chinese Communist Party's interests is all part of the CBI agenda.

[JBF50]

sidicks said:

You're clearly someone who thinks that anyone who doesn't share communist views is 'right wing'.

Total ignorant nonsense.

Why do they align themselves with holocaust deniers from the far-right in the European Parliament then? Why do they have members like Bill Etheridge advising a UKIP youth conference that they should try to imitate the speaking style of Adolf Hitler?

[Benbay001]

JBF50 said:

Why do they align themselves with holocaust deniers from the far-right in the European Parliament then?

Same reason Cameron offers a referendum. Its the only way to have a voice.

[XJ Flyer]

JBF50 said:

sidicks said:

You're clearly someone who thinks that anyone who doesn't share communist views is 'right wing'.

Total ignorant nonsense.

Why do they align themselves with holocaust deniers from the far-right in the European Parliament then? Why do they have members like Bill Etheridge advising a UKIP youth conference that they should try to imitate the speaking style of Adolf Hitler?

Anyone who believes that Farage speaks like Hitler really has lost the plot.While it seems obvious that the idea of 'alignment' with European politics isn't consistent with a policy of getting us out of European politics by leaving the EU parliament and all the federalist st it stands for.


Having said that Shore and Heffer did actually speak with a similar passion as Hitler at numerous points and places in time.Nothing wrong with that just so long as the actual message isn't the same.

Edited by XJ Flyer on Sunday 23 November 17:38

[eldar]

JBF50 said:

UKIP have not appealed across the political spectrum, the dozen Tory defectors I listed are not representative of the UK electorate, they are right-wing zealots who have no place in a multi-cultural UK. That is why UKIP won't work and will never have real power in this country, they are a protest party at best, at worst they are a right-wing hate mob. Care to comment on the dozen individuals I listed? Nah I thought as much.

What to comment about? You portray them as toffs and tories. So what? Just digging up the politics of envy and resentment - ooh look they're posh.

And still a right wing hate mob. You fail, entirely, to realise that that theose people you hold in contempt - the voters - are maybe just a little bit smarter than you fear they are. They know what ukip is, and they aren't fooled by you jumping up and down screaming 'hate mob' at every opportunity.

Your patronising negative arrogance plays into their hands.

You really are scared of them.

[XJ Flyer]

eldar said:

JBF50 said:

UKIP have not appealed across the political spectrum, the dozen Tory defectors I listed are not representative of the UK electorate, they are right-wing zealots who have no place in a multi-cultural UK. That is why UKIP won't work and will never have real power in this country, they are a protest party at best, at worst they are a right-wing hate mob. Care to comment on the dozen individuals I listed? Nah I thought as much.

What to comment about? You portray them as toffs and tories. So what? Just digging up the politics of envy and resentment - ooh look they're posh.

And still a right wing hate mob. You fail, entirely, to realise that that theose people you hold in contempt - the voters - are maybe just a little bit smarter than you fear they are. They know what ukip is, and they aren't fooled by you jumping up and down screaming 'hate mob' at every opportunity.

Your patronising negative arrogance plays into their hands.

You really are scared of them.

The fact that Farage caved in on the immigration issue suggests who is actually scared of who.

[FiF]

sidicks said:

I think it's great - it's showing up those who are most vociferously anti-UKIP for what they are - ignorant simpletons!

Upon reflection I can understand that viewpoint. In reality you may have been too complimentary of their intelligence.

[eldar]

XJ Flyer said:

The fact that Farage caved in on the immigration issue suggests who is actually scared of who.

Do explain.

[Countdown]

eldar said:

XJ Flyer said:

The fact that Farage caved in on the immigration issue suggests who is actually scared of who.

Do explain.

At a guess - NF wants to become more mainstream and realises the "immigration" drum, whilst attracting a certain demographic, might not be sufficient to attract the wider electorate and may even put many people off.

[sidicks]

Countdown said:

At a guess - NF wants to become more mainstream and realises the "immigration" drum, whilst attracting a certain demographic, might not be sufficient to attract the wider electorate and may even put many people off.

what demographic are you referring to?

[XJ Flyer]

eldar said:

XJ Flyer said:

The fact that Farage caved in on the immigration issue suggests who is actually scared of who.

Do explain.

It would be fair to suggest that Farage has watered down his immigration policy at least in regard to the issue of east European immigration.To the point of effectively guaranteeing the work/residence status of all those who arrive here up to the point of any future EU withdrawal.Thereby making that policy pointless because those who are coming will already have arrived by that point.While also obviously increasing and accelerating that rate of immigration based on the obvious logic that those immigrants will want to get in quick just in case the door is closed to them later.

All because of the implications of the precedent which retrospective repatriation would set in regards to the general pro immigration cheap labour,socialist alliance agenda which exists in the country.That alliance labelling any threat to that agenda as 'racist' with Farage obviously not having the bottle to stand up to it.

[XJ Flyer]

Countdown said:

eldar said:

XJ Flyer said:

The fact that Farage caved in on the immigration issue suggests who is actually scared of who.

Do explain.

At a guess - NF wants to become more mainstream and realises the "immigration" drum, whilst attracting a certain demographic, might not be sufficient to attract the wider electorate and may even put many people off.

That 'wider electorate' obviously being the same cheap labour/socialist alliance voter base that votes for the the usual LabLibdemCon coalition.In which case how does Farage keep his credibilty and that vote which intends to vote UKIP because it supposedly has a 'different' immigration policy.Which ( would have ) at least removed that east European cheap labour issue.

In which case where's the difference between UKIP and the LablibdemCons in regard to the immigration issue.Being that halting such immigration is/was a cornerstone of UKIP's reasons for leaving the EU.

[cibble10]

Farage is simply a quite clever, articulate, champion of rhetoric, racism and BS. The media give him far too much coverage becuase of his 'sound bites'. Maybe the media should have been where I was 8 feet from Farage outside a London pub a few months ago when someone stopped to politely ask him something and he asked them ' why they don't fk off!'. If there was no Farage there would be no UKIP. I don't think anyone could sensibly argue that is not the case. The sooner people realise that the better.

[NicD]

cibble10 said:

Farage is simply a quite clever, articulate, champion of rhetoric, racism and BS. The media give him far too much coverage becuase of his 'sound bites'. Maybe the media should have been where I was 8 feet from Farage outside a London pub a few months ago when someone stopped to politely ask him something and he asked them ' why they don't fk off!'. If there was no Farage there would be no UKIP. I don't think anyone could sensibly argue that is not the case. The sooner people realise that the better.

since you are presenting yourself as a witness, what did the 'someone stopped to politely ask him' actually ask him??

It could have been someone like you.

[sidicks]

cibble10 said:

Farage is simply a quite clever, articulate, champion of rhetoric, racism and BS. The media give him far too much coverage becuase of his 'sound bites'. Maybe the media should have been where I was 8 feet from Farage outside a London pub a few months ago when someone stopped to politely ask him something and he asked them ' why they don't fk off!'. If there was no Farage there would be no UKIP. I don't think anyone could sensibly argue that is not the case. The sooner people realise that the better.

It would appear that you don't understand what 'racism' is...

[XJ Flyer]

sidicks said:

cibble10 said:

Farage is simply a quite clever, articulate, champion of rhetoric, racism and BS. The media give him far too much coverage becuase of his 'sound bites'. Maybe the media should have been where I was 8 feet from Farage outside a London pub a few months ago when someone stopped to politely ask him something and he asked them ' why they don't fk off!'. If there was no Farage there would be no UKIP. I don't think anyone could sensibly argue that is not the case. The sooner people realise that the better.

It would appear that you don't understand what 'racism' is...

In this case 'racism' means 'anything' which threatens the socialist/cheap labour alliance agenda.

[cibble10]

Interesting.

As I so obvoiusly have no idea what I am talking about I shall refrain from further posts, oh, other than to answer the reasonable question asked.

A group of 3 were in an office team building assignment, part of which was to get someone on the street to fire one of them Apprentice Style for the camera (finger pointing, 'you're fired'). Seeing Farage, and obviously thinking that him doing it would be cool they POLITELY asked him if he would do it. They got that reply. They asked me next as I was in the next group outside of the pub and I was happy to oblige. Upside for me was I got to meet three very pleasant people!

OK, and I would still advocate if there was no Farage there would be no UKIP!

Edited by cibble10 on Sunday 23 November 19:40

[NicD]

cibble10 said:

Interesting.

As I so obvoiusly have no idea what I am talking about I shall refrain from further posts, oh, other than to answer the reasonable question asked.

A group of 3 were in an office team building assignment, part of which was to get someone on the street to fire one of them Apprentice Style for the camera (finger pointing, 'you're fired'. Seeing Farage, and obviously thinking that him doing it would be cool they POLITELY asked him if he would do it. They got that reply. They asked me next as I was in the next group outside of the pub and I was happy to oblige. Upside for me was I got to meet three very pleasant people!

OK, and I would still advocate if there was no Farage there would be no UKIP!

OK, so you are for real (lets work on that basis).
You have three rather naive (and smart arse) people who decide to ambush a national party leader with some role play that they would film!

But they asked politely.

No, cancel the 'you are for real'.