Why the UKIP will never work....

Why the UKIP will never work....

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Yazar

1,476 posts

119 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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ClaphamGT3 said:
This sums up why I am so cross with the Conservative party and so despise UKIP.

I am cross with the Tories because they are not getting across the party that represent every one in society, regardless of wealth, education or background...
rofl Still drunk from last night?

Yazar

1,476 posts

119 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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wiggy001 said:
I think this topic says more about the OP than it does UKIP.
+1

don4l

10,058 posts

175 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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ClaphamGT3 said:
I think it quite clearly says that they will only work in the interests of people like them.
No it doesn't.

You have added the word "only" to completely change the meaning.

How thick do you think we are? Are you an ex member of the shadow cabinet?

ClaphamGT3

11,269 posts

242 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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don4l said:
ClaphamGT3 said:
I think it quite clearly says that they will only work in the interests of people like them.
No it doesn't.

You have added the word "only" to completely change the meaning.

How thick do you think we are? Are you an ex member of the shadow cabinet?
That is your - very literal - interpretation. Many other people would pick out the broader message contained within the words

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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ClaphamGT3 said:
That is your - very literal - interpretation. Many other people would pick out the broader message contained within the words
You've invented something that isn't there. How dull.

don4l

10,058 posts

175 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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ClaphamGT3 said:
That is your - very literal - interpretation. Many other people would pick out the broader message contained within the words
No, most people will see what they have actually written.

Ill informed bigots might agree with you.

loose cannon

6,029 posts

240 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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ClaphamGT3 said:
I think it quite clearly says that they will only work in the interests of people like them. This is not the basis for a healthy society.
And I suppose the current situation is awesome for all concern laugh

Martin4x4

6,506 posts

131 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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NicD said:
princealbert23 said:
Martin4x4 said:
appalling grasp of English language.
the establishment are oppression (sic) you.
Agreed!

Martin,

what a prize post!
'shocking' ?

the only thing shocking is you exposing yourself to ridicule.
whoosh Parrot!

Perhaps if you put your elite grammar nazi skills at the disposal of UKIP as a proof reader you might find a single sentence in the OP that is either gramatically correct or even makes sense.

You might then be able to use the practice you gain to graduate to whole sentences.

Edited by Martin4x4 on Saturday 22 November 11:55

Jasandjules

69,825 posts

228 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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twoblacklines said:
So in effect they want the lower class to be happy but people who work hard (such as their bosses) should suffer?
I see.

To be clear, is it doctors and lawyers and so on who work hard whilst everyone else in "lower" positions in society (I am putting words in your mouth here) don't?

To address your rather arrogant post (perhaps in a more arrogant manner), how does democracy work to your mind? Majoritarianism? Or some other system?

Northern Munkee

5,354 posts

199 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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twoblacklines said:
This is from a UKIP representative for Plymouth:


I get where they come from but isn't that saying that anyone middle class or upper class is "not normal" and therefore does not deserve a place?

So in effect they want the lower class to be happy but people who work hard (such as their bosses) should suffer?
You're not suggesting that the "working class" don't work hard, and only bosses do? And I'd suggest "we live with the consequences of liblabcon policies, so won't pass policies like them"(if a little naive, hard choices need to be made, that's the reality the mess we're in) is actually a reference to the elites like Miliband, Cameron, Clegg etc, and Thornberry.... Millionaires who can buy their way out of the consequences of their policies, (education) by sending their kids to private school, (health) buy paying to go private or jump the NHS queue buy paying to see an nhs consultant in his private practice, or (housing) by living on millionaires row.

This is not about "middle class" vs "working class" people, many middle class people can't afford those things either, this is the next level up of "middle class". People who can buy their way out of the consequences of their actions. That's how out of touch they are with the "working classes" who live in the real world in the UK, not the idyll of dinner parties, exhibition openings, talking shops at the Marxist book club, and weekends in the country, 2nd houses and 2 or 3 holidays a year in Tuscany & Gstaad.

Edited by Northern Munkee on Saturday 22 November 12:24

NicD

3,281 posts

256 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Martin4x4 said:
whoosh Parrot!

Perhaps if you put your elite grammar nazi skills at the disposal of UKIP as a proof reader you might find a single sentence in the OP that is either gramatically correct or even makes sense.

You might then be able to use the practice you gain to graduate to whole sentences.

Edited by Martin4x4 on Saturday 22 November 11:55
don't add sore loser to prize prick!

Bodo

12,368 posts

265 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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I don't see why UKIP will never work. The concept of socialist national workers parties has proven to be successful elsewhere.

MiniMan64

16,863 posts

189 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Seems to working pretty well so far.

hedgefinder

3,418 posts

169 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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ClaphamGT3 said:
I am cross with the Tories because they are not getting across the party that represent every one in society, regardless of wealth, education or background
Can you please point to a time when you believe that they EVER did this??

wiggy001

6,542 posts

270 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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ClaphamGT3 said:
I think it quite clearly says that they will only work in the interests of people like them. This is not the basis for a healthy society.
Please show me where it says that (without your interpretation).

Slurring something you disagree with by creating stories (also known as lying) is not the basis for a healthy society. Actually, it's bigotry at its worst.

By all means knock UKIP because you fundamentally disagree with their manifesto, but don't slate them for things they haven't actually said.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

160 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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It astonishes me how a section of the public have assumed UKIP to represent them. It's true that any political party should be the sum of its members but The core of UKIP is establishment privilege and intellectual elitism, they do not at their core have any will or need to support the choices of working class people, they're all about leaving the EU and concentrating the UKs wealth into the hands of a small cabal of city elites and successful industrialists.

Judging on the voting from Rochester it seems ukip mask might be slipping but be careful what you wish for people in the south east.

sidicks

25,218 posts

220 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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FredClogs said:
It astonishes me how a section of the public have assumed UKIP to represent them. It's true that any political party should be the sum of its members but The core of UKIP is establishment privilege and intellectual elitism, they do not at their core have any will or need to support the choices of working class people, b]they're all about leaving the EU and concentrating the UKs wealth into the hands of a small cabal of city elites and successful industrialists.[/b]
Perhaps you might like to justify your claims by showing which UKIP policies would achieve what you claim...?

twoblacklines

Original Poster:

1,575 posts

160 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Northern Munkee said:
You're not suggesting that the "working class" don't work hard, and only bosses do? And I'd suggest "we live with the consequences of liblabcon policies, so won't pass policies like them"(if a little naive, hard choices need to be made, that's the reality the mess we're in) is actually a reference to the elites like Miliband, Cameron, Clegg etc, and Thornberry.... Millionaires who can buy their way out of the consequences of their policies, (education) by sending their kids to private school, (health) buy paying to go private or jump the NHS queue buy paying to see an nhs consultant in his private practice, or (housing) by living on millionaires row.

This is not about "middle class" vs "working class" people, many middle class people can't afford those things either, this is the next level up of "middle class". People who can buy their way out of the consequences of their actions. That's how out of touch they are with the "working classes" who live in the real world in the UK, not the idyll of dinner parties, exhibition openings, talking shops at the Marxist book club, and weekends in the country, 2nd houses and 2 or 3 holidays a year in Tuscany & Gstaad.

Edited by Northern Munkee on Saturday 22 November 12:24
Where I come from if you want to be upper class you work hard and get yourself to upper class, not sit around unemployed blaming the upper class for all your problems.

JBF50

28 posts

114 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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Telling people that all you need to do is draw a line on the map, pull up the draw bridge and all your problems will be solved - it is dangerous thinking and it is wrong.If Messrs Farage and Reckless start repatriating Poles and Greeks where will that leave the 1.4 million British citizens now living elsewhere in the European Union?An immigration debate that lacks a liberal voice, putting the positive case for a rational approach to a balanced system will be dangerous and divisive and ultimately will do harm to our economy here at home and our standing in the eyes of other countries overseas.




Westy Pre-Lit

5,087 posts

202 months

Saturday 22nd November 2014
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twoblacklines said:
Where I come from if you want to be upper class you work hard and get yourself to upper class, not sit around unemployed blaming the upper class for all your problems.
rofl

From where I come from if I went round calling myself upper class because I worked hard, I'd probably get a punch in the face.