Why the UKIP will never work....
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FiF said:
Why did you think that was referring to you? Because it wasn't. Something you'd like to share?
The mods have a clear view on this. Banned from volume 1 of a thread. Behave the same volume 2 then out they go on their ear. Not coming back.
Still don't see why you are getting all twitchy. Within the the rules no problem. Trouble is some can't behave.
Because you quoted me? The mods have a clear view on this. Banned from volume 1 of a thread. Behave the same volume 2 then out they go on their ear. Not coming back.
Still don't see why you are getting all twitchy. Within the the rules no problem. Trouble is some can't behave.
Foppo said:
Who are these indigenous people do they all live in caves ready to attack these hordes of foreigners.
This planet has moved on we better learn to live with each other or follow these policies of hatred.It aint working.>
well that's most Lefty's stuffed then!! they hate anyone that believes in self reliance and cooperation ..This planet has moved on we better learn to live with each other or follow these policies of hatred.It aint working.>
As for UKIP, I find it really sad that all the extremists / BNP types have come across as supporting UKIP and telling people the UKIP represents them, simply because it wants to have better control over the UK border....
Since when does stopping immigrants coming in = throwing out all non-whites which is what the BNP wants?
Since when does stopping immigrants coming in = throwing out all non-whites which is what the BNP wants?
FredClogs said:
XJ Flyer said:
FredClogs said:
XJ Flyer said:
vonuber said:
sidicks said:
What have Romania and Poland got to do with British values?
My Grandad is polish and came here as a refugee after the war. He has directly contributed to how this country has evolved a s a society, as has hundreds of thousands of other poles.So fk off.
However assuming that we're not going to restrict immigration levels to the point where it is impossible for the immigrant communities to form electoral majorities then the question is obviously irrelevant.Assuming that is the case then it seems obvious where this is all heading.IE we become an ethnic minority in our own country governed by foreign immigrant groups in the interests of those foreign ethnic groups not ours.In which case as I've said we're eventually heading for an even worse situation than Tito's Yugoslavia.IE national suicide on the basis of handing the country over to majority immigrant interests in which we become the ethnic minority governed by them.
Shall we try again? Would you say that someone who is not indigenous or of none indigenous parentage should be refused access to parliament, government position or any influence in deciding law/policy.
Having said that it is no surprise or coincidence that the pro immigration agenda is usually,if not always,supported and never opposed,by those of non indigenous origins in positions of power and their socialist allies.
So no under present rules there is no way to deny 'eligible' non indigenous representation in government.However that doesn't mean that I have to support the idea in the case of that representation voting on immigration policy.In view of the obvious conflict of interest which that creates,in the case of any potential government policy of closing our borders to further immigration.
twoblacklines said:
As for UKIP, I find it really sad that all the extremists / BNP types have come across as supporting UKIP and telling people the UKIP represents them, simply because it wants to have better control over the UK border....
Since when does stopping immigrants coming in = throwing out all non-whites which is what the BNP wants?
It is more a case of all the extremist reverse racist pro immigration socialist types trying to paint the idea of any policy of controlling immigration as a so called colour issue.Since when does stopping immigrants coming in = throwing out all non-whites which is what the BNP wants?
XJ Flyer said:
FredClogs said:
XJ Flyer said:
FredClogs said:
XJ Flyer said:
vonuber said:
sidicks said:
What have Romania and Poland got to do with British values?
My Grandad is polish and came here as a refugee after the war. He has directly contributed to how this country has evolved a s a society, as has hundreds of thousands of other poles.So fk off.
However assuming that we're not going to restrict immigration levels to the point where it is impossible for the immigrant communities to form electoral majorities then the question is obviously irrelevant.Assuming that is the case then it seems obvious where this is all heading.IE we become an ethnic minority in our own country governed by foreign immigrant groups in the interests of those foreign ethnic groups not ours.In which case as I've said we're eventually heading for an even worse situation than Tito's Yugoslavia.IE national suicide on the basis of handing the country over to majority immigrant interests in which we become the ethnic minority governed by them.
Shall we try again? Would you say that someone who is not indigenous or of none indigenous parentage should be refused access to parliament, government position or any influence in deciding law/policy.
Having said that it is no surprise or coincidence that the pro immigration agenda is usually,if not always,supported and never opposed,by those of non indigenous origins in positions of power and their socialist allies.
So no under present rules there is no way to deny 'eligible' non indigenous representation in government.However that doesn't mean that I have to support the idea in the case of that representation voting on immigration policy.In view of the obvious conflict of interest which that creates,in the case of any potential government policy of closing our borders to further immigration.
CamMoreRon said:
BGARK said:
CamMoreRon said:
"Not being a nationalistic xenophobe".
Are you referring the people from third world countries who refuse to integrate, if so I agree with you.BGARK said:
CamMoreRon said:
BGARK said:
CamMoreRon said:
"Not being a nationalistic xenophobe".
Are you referring the people from third world countries who refuse to integrate, if so I agree with you.I'm not by any means saying this is reflective of all UKIP supporters, but it's worth noting for the record that for every one that doesn't want to integrate, there is one who doesn't want them to.
CamMoreRon said:
it's worth noting for the record that for every one that doesn't want to integrate, there is one who doesn't want them to.
I grew up in a school where "people of a certain faith" were becoming the majority. They had no intention of ever integrating into the British way of life, this has become much worse over the many years since I left.Your ratio of people who do/don't want to integrate I believe is probably seriously flawed.
CamMoreRon said:
I'm not by any means saying this is reflective of all UKIP supporters, but it's worth noting for the record that for every one that doesn't want to integrate, there is one who doesn't want them to.
What utter tosh!I'm an immigrant. I came here in 1975(with £5.11 in my pocket). The English have treated me brilliantly.
UKIP have welcomed me with open arms. I haven't detected the faintest hint of "oh, you are a foreigner", despite my heavy accent. In fact, they have seemed to be really pleased to have a foreigner in their midst.
I get treated like royalty.
I feel very comfortable at UKIP meetings. I cannot imagine that I would feel so welcome at a Labour party meeting.
don4l said:
I feel very comfortable at UKIP meetings. I cannot imagine that I would feel so welcome at a Labour party meeting.
What utter tosh..Did I say all British people hate immigrants? No. No I did not.
I said for every immigrant who doesn't want to integrate with British society, there is a nationalist who doesn't want immigrants to integrate with society. BNP.. EDL.. All that garbage. If you think we don't have racists / nationalists / xenophobes in this country then you have lived a sheltered life indeed.
CamMoreRon said:
I said for every immigrant who doesn't want to integrate with British society, there is a nationalist who doesn't want immigrants to integrate with society. BNP.. EDL.. All that garbage. If you think we don't have racists / nationalists / xenophobes in this country then you have lived a sheltered life indeed.
The real racists are those who want to keep the scam of mass immigration going to keep labour costs down or to further their socialist agenda and then want to deal with the symptoms of that by trying to integrate totally alien communities.When the fact is even they know that history shows it doesn't work.As for nationalists until the socialists have succeeded in removing the idea of the nation state then we are all nationalists.Get used to it because the socialists are never going to be allowed to do that any time soon.Even when as in the case of Hitler and the SNP they hide under the nationalist banner themselves.IE Racist read Socialist.
CamMoreRon said:
I've lived in Essex 4 years, now. I bet I could walk through any town here and find you 10 people who don't want to see immigrants based purely on racial prejudice in 2 minutes.
Being that you've obviously set yourself up as judge and jury,to decide who is and who isn't a 'racist',based on your own obviously socialist integrationist ideology,that isn't surprising.The fact is 'multi' culturalism by definition means the opposite of integration.IE more than one and all different according to their own.Or to put it another way the antithesis of socialism.
BGARK said:
CamMoreRon said:
it's worth noting for the record that for every one that doesn't want to integrate, there is one who doesn't want them to.
I grew up in a school where "people of a certain faith" were becoming the majority. They had no intention of ever integrating into the British way of life, this has become much worse over the many years since I left.Your ratio of people who do/don't want to integrate I believe is probably seriously flawed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Italy,_Manhatt...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/immigration_Act_of_19...
Edited by XJ Flyer on Thursday 27th November 23:27
Edited by XJ Flyer on Thursday 27th November 23:34
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