Why the UKIP will never work....

[sidicks]

vonuber said:

My birth would have been directly affected by that lovely parties policies, regardless of anything else.

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[vonuber]

sidicks said:

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At least one of my grandparents (all EU migrants) would not have passed their proposed skill points / colour / looking a bit funny / speaking with a dodgy accent test.

[sidicks]

vonuber said:

At least one of my grandparents (all EU migrants) would not have passed their proposed skill points / colour / looking a bit funny / speaking with a dodgy accent test.

They've not provided details on exactly what the points system would look like, so presumably one of your grandparents was an unskilled worker. I find it hard to argue against restrictions on unskilled immigrants.

The rest of your post is the usual anti-UKIP nonsense rhetoric, so we'll treat that with the contempt it deserves.

[XJ Flyer]

vonuber said:

s2art said:

Given the butterfly effect, very few people currently existing, aged less than 60 years minus approx 9 months, would be alive either. So dont feel special.

My birth would have been directly affected by that lovely parties policies, regardless of anything else.

Or take your ideas to their logical conclusion any country seen as being a better bet to emigrants than their own will eventually end up an over populated low wage dump made up of competing alien ethnic factions worse than the ones they left behind.While those countries they left end up being empty underpopulated unviable land masses.A bit like comparing Sicily and Southern Italy with New York City before that City's different ethnic enclaves were cleared out by immigration controls and ethnic redistribution policies.

[XJ Flyer]

vonuber said:

At least one of my grandparents (all EU migrants) would not have passed their proposed skill points .

Just like Brits wishing to emigrate to Australia or NZ etc in that case.In which case we just have to get on with making our own country a place worth staying in for our own people.

[vonuber]

sidicks said:

They've not provided details on exactly what the points system would look like, so presumably one of your grandparents was an unskilled worker. I find it hard to argue against restrictions on unskilled immigrants.

The rest of your post is the usual anti-UKIP nonsense rhetoric, so we'll treat that with the contempt it deserves.

But here's the thing - they all went on to have jobs, pay their taxes and work hard - to my eventual benefit having been able to go to university and become a civil engineer to contribute to the improvement of this country.
If UKIP had their way such a thing would not be possible.
People moan about what immigrants contribute to this country - I am an example of what they can and do contribute.

And UKIP's polices get such contempt because they are contemptible.

[s2art]

vonuber said:

s2art said:

Given the butterfly effect, very few people currently existing, aged less than 60 years minus approx 9 months, would be alive either. So dont feel special.

My birth would have been directly affected by that lovely parties policies, regardless of anything else.

And so would almost everybodys, one way or another.

[s2art]

vonuber said:

sidicks said:

They've not provided details on exactly what the points system would look like, so presumably one of your grandparents was an unskilled worker. I find it hard to argue against restrictions on unskilled immigrants.

The rest of your post is the usual anti-UKIP nonsense rhetoric, so we'll treat that with the contempt it deserves.

But here's the thing - they all went on to have jobs, pay their taxes and work hard - to my eventual benefit having been able to go to university and become a civil engineer to contribute to the improvement of this country.
If UKIP had their way such a thing would not be possible.
People moan about what immigrants contribute to this country - I am an example of what they can and do contribute.

And UKIP's polices get such contempt because they are contemptible.

Counterfactuals are difficult to argue. If your forefathers had not made the cut, someone else would have done. So arguably you are here instead of someone else. But had this happened, the whole of the timeline would be different, maybe I would have been born, maybe not. Even if someone approximating to me was born, it still would not be the me that I am today.

[XJ Flyer]

vonuber said:

sidicks said:

They've not provided details on exactly what the points system would look like, so presumably one of your grandparents was an unskilled worker. I find it hard to argue against restrictions on unskilled immigrants.

The rest of your post is the usual anti-UKIP nonsense rhetoric, so we'll treat that with the contempt it deserves.

But here's the thing - they all went on to have jobs, pay their taxes and work hard - to my eventual benefit having been able to go to university and become a civil engineer to contribute to the improvement of this country.
If UKIP had their way such a thing would not be possible.
People moan about what immigrants contribute to this country - I am an example of what they can and do contribute.

And UKIP's polices get such contempt because they are contemptible.

As I've said the EU immigrant agenda doesn't have any right in deciding our domestic immigration policy nor should it have.It is obvious that turkeys won't vote for christmas in that regard.So I'd suggest that agenda should keep its nose out of our domestic electoral discussions.As for your obvious personal interest in keeping the status quo that is of no importance being obviously a conflict of interest.

As it stands this country's welcoming attitude has now been taken for granted and abused in terms of numbers by what is effectively an immigration policy driven partly by EU blackmail regards trade sanctions and the cheap labour/socialist alliance.When its us who hold all the cards,at least in regards to the EU immigration issue, assuming Farage has got the bottle to meet that agenda head on.

[JustAnotherLogin]

vonuber said:

sidicks said:

They've not provided details on exactly what the points system would look like, so presumably one of your grandparents was an unskilled worker. I find it hard to argue against restrictions on unskilled immigrants.

The rest of your post is the usual anti-UKIP nonsense rhetoric, so we'll treat that with the contempt it deserves.

But here's the thing - they all went on to have jobs, pay their taxes and work hard - to my eventual benefit having been able to go to university and become a civil engineer to contribute to the improvement of this country.
If UKIP had their way such a thing would not be possible.
People moan about what immigrants contribute to this country - I am an example of what they can and do contribute.

And UKIP's polices get such contempt because they are contemptible.

To be fair, I think it is only XJ Flyer who would want to send you home vonuber, he mentioned 1946 as the cut-off did he not?

But perhaps to be fair we had better cleanse the land of the cultural impact of immigrants. Because it has been argued elsewhere in this forum that we don't want the influx of culture.

So out goes the Bank of England (7 of the founders were Huguenots)
Goodbye M&S (Marks was a Polish immigrant)
...

oh, I forgot, history like that is just a LibLabCon conspiracy smokescreen

[vonuber]

JustAnotherLogin said:

To be fair, I think it is only XJ Flyer who would want to send you home vonuber, he mentioned 1946 as the cut-off did he not?

Always reminds me of Half A Shilling:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uSGtRoEQYA

[XJ Flyer]

JustAnotherLogin said:

vonuber said:

sidicks said:

They've not provided details on exactly what the points system would look like, so presumably one of your grandparents was an unskilled worker. I find it hard to argue against restrictions on unskilled immigrants.

The rest of your post is the usual anti-UKIP nonsense rhetoric, so we'll treat that with the contempt it deserves.

But here's the thing - they all went on to have jobs, pay their taxes and work hard - to my eventual benefit having been able to go to university and become a civil engineer to contribute to the improvement of this country.
If UKIP had their way such a thing would not be possible.
People moan about what immigrants contribute to this country - I am an example of what they can and do contribute.

And UKIP's polices get such contempt because they are contemptible.

To be fair, I think it is only XJ Flyer who would want to send you home vonuber, he mentioned 1946 as the cut-off did he not?

But perhaps to be fair we had better cleanse the land of the cultural impact of immigrants. Because it has been argued elsewhere in this forum that we don't want the influx of culture.

So out goes the Bank of England (7 of the founders were Huguenots)
Goodbye M&S (Marks was a Polish immigrant)
...

oh, I forgot, history like that is just a LibLabCon conspiracy smokescreen

I think you've missed the point that it isn't about the 'culture' of the bank of England it is all about the limiting the numbers of immigrants to maintain societal cohesion and national identity and a labour market which isn't biased in favour of over supply.In an environment where ethnic integration is no longer seen as the relevant definition of so called 'multi culturalism' being that the definition of 'culture' also 'includes' that of 'society' in terms of the type of large scale immigration in question.

IE there have to be limits on the size of such different immigrant cultures/societies that can be fitted in a country measuring hundreds of miles east west and north south especially when those different societies are all mainly concentrated so far in small localised parts of that country.Without those limits those different cultures/societies eventually become an untenable liability to both the immigrant communities 'and' the indigenous population.

[deadslow]

XJ Flyer said:

I think you've missed the point that it isn't about the 'culture' of the bank of England it is all about the limiting the numbers of immigrants to maintain societal cohesion and national identity and a labour market which isn't biased in favour of over supply.In an environment where ethnic integration is no longer seen as the relevant definition of so called 'multi culturalism' being that the definition of 'culture' also 'includes' that of 'society' in terms of the type of large scale immigration in question.

IE there have to be limits on the size of such different immigrant cultures/societies that can be fitted in a country measuring hundreds of miles east west and north south especially when those different societies are all mainly concentrated so far in small localised parts of that country.Without those limits those different cultures/societies eventually become an untenable liability to both the immigrant communities 'and' the indigenous population.

Christ, life was so much easier when we just turned up somewhere, took all the natural assets, and enslaved the bros. Far too complicated now.

[XJ Flyer]

deadslow said:

XJ Flyer said:

I think you've missed the point that it isn't about the 'culture' of the bank of England it is all about the limiting the numbers of immigrants to maintain societal cohesion and national identity and a labour market which isn't biased in favour of over supply.In an environment where ethnic integration is no longer seen as the relevant definition of so called 'multi culturalism' being that the definition of 'culture' also 'includes' that of 'society' in terms of the type of large scale immigration in question.

IE there have to be limits on the size of such different immigrant cultures/societies that can be fitted in a country measuring hundreds of miles east west and north south especially when those different societies are all mainly concentrated so far in small localised parts of that country.Without those limits those different cultures/societies eventually become an untenable liability to both the immigrant communities 'and' the indigenous population.

Christ, life was so much easier when we just turned up somewhere, took all the natural assets, and enslaved the bros. Far too complicated now.

I assume you're not referring to the inconvenient history of African slavers taking the indigenous population from their homes here to be sold as slaves in Africa.Which wouldn't be surprising being that it doesn't fit the socialist script that only our own are blameworthy.

[deadslow]

XJ Flyer said:

deadslow said:

XJ Flyer said:

I think you've missed the point that it isn't about the 'culture' of the bank of England it is all about the limiting the numbers of immigrants to maintain societal cohesion and national identity and a labour market which isn't biased in favour of over supply.In an environment where ethnic integration is no longer seen as the relevant definition of so called 'multi culturalism' being that the definition of 'culture' also 'includes' that of 'society' in terms of the type of large scale immigration in question.

IE there have to be limits on the size of such different immigrant cultures/societies that can be fitted in a country measuring hundreds of miles east west and north south especially when those different societies are all mainly concentrated so far in small localised parts of that country.Without those limits those different cultures/societies eventually become an untenable liability to both the immigrant communities 'and' the indigenous population.

Christ, life was so much easier when we just turned up somewhere, took all the natural assets, and enslaved the bros. Far too complicated now.

I assume you're not referring to the inconvenient history of African slavers taking the indigenous population from their homes here to be sold as slaves in Africa.Which wouldn't be surprising being that it doesn't fit the socialist script that only our own are blameworthy.

Wow, you are the gift that just goes on giving

[sidicks]

vonuber said:

But here's the thing - they all went on to have jobs, pay their taxes and work hard - to my eventual benefit having been able to go to university and become a civil engineer to contribute to the improvement of this country.
If UKIP had their way such a thing would not be possible.

Not true

vonuber said:

People moan about what immigrants contribute to this country

No, people moan about what some immigrants take from this country, hence the need to manage immigration. It's do simple and yet you still don't get it.

Do you honestly believe that the UK has the capacity to absorb all immigrants who want to come here regardless of the likelihood that they (or their offspring) will eventually add value??

vonuber said:

- I am an example of what they can and do contribute.

And there are plenty of examples of the opposite.

vonuber said:

And UKIP's polices get such contempt because they are contemptible.

Vague, unexplained claims just demonstrate ignorance rather than support your position.

Edited by sidicks on Saturday 29th November 06:36

[NicD]

vonuber said:

Funny really. If UKIP were in power 60 years ago I wouldn't be alive.

So here you are, making all this noise based on your own background.

My background has some parallels to yours but instead of shrilling saying 'gee that would have affected ME!', I look at things from the host country's point of view.

since you have an emotional interest that you cannot overcome, you should excuse yourself from the debate.

[don4l]

vonuber said:

But here's the thing - they all went on to have jobs, pay their taxes and work hard - to my eventual benefit having been able to go to university and become a civil engineer to contribute to the improvement of this country.
If UKIP had their way such a thing would not be possible.
People moan about what immigrants contribute to this country - I am an example of what they can and do contribute.

And UKIP's polices get such contempt because they are contemptible.

I was under the impression that you were a hydrologist... and that you contributed to the flooding in the Somerset Levels.

[WinstonWolf]

don4l said:

vonuber said:

But here's the thing - they all went on to have jobs, pay their taxes and work hard - to my eventual benefit having been able to go to university and become a civil engineer to contribute to the improvement of this country.
If UKIP had their way such a thing would not be possible.
People moan about what immigrants contribute to this country - I am an example of what they can and do contribute.

And UKIP's polices get such contempt because they are contemptible.

I was under the impression that you were a hydrologist... and that you contributed to the flooding in the Somerset Levels.

[wc98]

CamMoreRon said:

XJ Flyer said:

CamMoreRon said:

Who are these socialists you're referring to? .

The idea of the world living as one without borders or nation states and anyone who believes in an ethnic integrationist agenda with an immigration policy to match is usually a good sign.I should know because I was one for a ( very ) short time before reality and intelligence kicked in.

So basically, intelligence tells you that everyone should be segregated, culturally and perhaps physically?

You know we are all one species living on a thinly crusted ball of molten rock, hurtling through a near-perfect and infinite vacuum with as good as zero control and other places to go.. right? So why is the idea of trying to shape society so that all cultures / traditions / beliefs are able to live amongst each other without major conflict such a bad one?

You're also confused about what socialism is.

Socialism said:

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.

recently you have been posting a fair bit of stuff i agree with, i would also agree with this if it actually happened in real life. what we currently see is large enclaves of people that have no interest in living in a "multi cultural " society,what they do is create areas that are a home from home with very little interaction with the indigenous population.
this appears to be more prevalent in recent years ,in the past with lower levels people had no choice but to mix and interact with the locals in whichever area they lived in.