Why the UKIP will never work....
Discussion
RYH64E said:
BGARK said:
Not worthless but it could be the difference in a car manufacturing plant of 5,000 or the 50,000 people associated with manufacture, production, assembly.
If we lose free access to the EU market we won't have a car industry, the big manufacturers are only here to avoid 10% import duty on non-EU manufactured cars.Are Turkey in the EU? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2366138/En...
Are Turkey about to join the EU? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/t...
UKIP is already working in that it has forced the Tories in particular to rethink what they're offering the electorate. With the Liberal vote having collapsed and UKIP taking votes from all 3 parties, I think there's a very real possibility they'll hold at least part of the balance of power at the next election.
In many ways UKIP are to the Tories what the SNP are to Labour.
If UKIP manage to force a referendum on reasonable terms and within the next couple of years over our EU membership, I think they'll have achieved something truly historic.
In many ways UKIP are to the Tories what the SNP are to Labour.
If UKIP manage to force a referendum on reasonable terms and within the next couple of years over our EU membership, I think they'll have achieved something truly historic.
allergictocheese said:
UKIP is already working in that it has forced the Tories in particular to rethink what they're offering the electorate. With the Liberal vote having collapsed and UKIP taking votes from all 3 parties, I think there's a very real possibility they'll hold at least part of the balance of power at the next election.
In many ways UKIP are to the Tories what the SNP are to Labour.
If UKIP manage to force a referendum on reasonable terms and within the next couple of years over our EU membership, I think they'll have achieved something truly historic.
+1In many ways UKIP are to the Tories what the SNP are to Labour.
If UKIP manage to force a referendum on reasonable terms and within the next couple of years over our EU membership, I think they'll have achieved something truly historic.
allergictocheese said:
UKIP is already working in that it has forced the Tories in particular to rethink what they're offering the electorate. With the Liberal vote having collapsed and UKIP taking votes from all 3 parties, I think there's a very real possibility they'll hold at least part of the balance of power at the next election.
In many ways UKIP are to the Tories what the SNP are to Labour.
If UKIP manage to force a referendum on reasonable terms and within the next couple of years over our EU membership, I think they'll have achieved something truly historic.
+1In many ways UKIP are to the Tories what the SNP are to Labour.
If UKIP manage to force a referendum on reasonable terms and within the next couple of years over our EU membership, I think they'll have achieved something truly historic.
allergictocheese said:
UKIP is already working in that it has forced the Tories in particular to rethink what they're offering the electorate. With the Liberal vote having collapsed and UKIP taking votes from all 3 parties, I think there's a very real possibility they'll hold at least part of the balance of power at the next election.
In many ways UKIP are to the Tories what the SNP are to Labour.
If UKIP manage to force a referendum on reasonable terms and within the next couple of years over our EU membership, I think they'll have achieved something truly historic.
Ironically that SNP and Labour alliance vote,which UKIP and the Cons supported tying us to,being one of the main obstacles to either a UKIP/Conservative win at the election or a vote to leave the EU.On that note the pro EU side of the Con Party being closer to Labour and the the pro EU Scottish vote than UKIP.In which case that would explain why Cameron was so keen to keep us tied to that Scottish vote.But it is anyone's guess why UKIP wants to preserve the UK union being that Scotland is totally opposed to everything which UKIP stands for.In many ways UKIP are to the Tories what the SNP are to Labour.
If UKIP manage to force a referendum on reasonable terms and within the next couple of years over our EU membership, I think they'll have achieved something truly historic.
XJ Flyer said:
Ironically that SNP and Labour alliance vote,which UKIP and the Cons supported tying us to,being one of the main obstacles to either a UKIP/Conservative win at the election or a vote to leave the EU.On that note the pro EU side of the Con Party being closer to Labour and the the pro EU Scottish vote than UKIP.In which case that would explain why Cameron was so keen to keep us tied to that Scottish vote.But it is anyone's guess why UKIP wants to preserve the UK union being that Scotland is totally opposed to everything which UKIP stands for.
I think you may be trying to suggest Scotlands majority actually support/agree with the die-hard SNP?most of them support SNP in general, (because they hate Tory's and increasingly New-Labour) but do not support independence.
I can see a time soon when the SNP get all these new devolved powers that the Scottish will soon wake up to the reality of SNP ideology, ie, high tax, nanny state stuff.
Scuffers said:
I think you may be trying to suggest Scotlands majority actually support/agree with the die-hard SNP?
most of them support SNP in general, (because they hate Tory's and increasingly New-Labour) but do not support independence.
I can see a time soon when the SNP get all these new devolved powers that the Scottish will soon wake up to the reality of SNP ideology, ie, high tax, nanny state stuff.
Suspect there will be a lot of Scots, including some who voted for independence, quietly breathing a sigh of relief of a close shave when they look at the collapse in oil revenues. most of them support SNP in general, (because they hate Tory's and increasingly New-Labour) but do not support independence.
I can see a time soon when the SNP get all these new devolved powers that the Scottish will soon wake up to the reality of SNP ideology, ie, high tax, nanny state stuff.
FiF said:
Scuffers said:
I think you may be trying to suggest Scotlands majority actually support/agree with the die-hard SNP?
most of them support SNP in general, (because they hate Tory's and increasingly New-Labour) but do not support independence.
I can see a time soon when the SNP get all these new devolved powers that the Scottish will soon wake up to the reality of SNP ideology, ie, high tax, nanny state stuff.
Suspect there will be a lot of Scots, including some who voted for independence, quietly breathing a sigh of relief of a close shave when they look at the collapse in oil revenues. most of them support SNP in general, (because they hate Tory's and increasingly New-Labour) but do not support independence.
I can see a time soon when the SNP get all these new devolved powers that the Scottish will soon wake up to the reality of SNP ideology, ie, high tax, nanny state stuff.
Scuffers said:
PRTVR said:
I am not so sure, most will realize that the drop in oil price drop was orchestrated by them nasty English to make them look bad.
Sorry?Pray tell, how did us English manage to skew the global oil markets?
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