Terror threat at an all time high
Discussion
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-i...
So the UK is under threat by terrorists, nothing new there then. We underwent years of IRA activity in the UK with bombs going off left right and center, so to speak.
But is this mentioning of threat levels akin to how the USA regime works?.... in that to take away some public freedoms you have to make them feel threatened?
(Government's Counter–Terrorism and Security Bill - aimed at these religious warring types, but also allows the government to invade the privacy of any UK citizen).
I am wondering just how at danger a single member of the public actually is when at residence in the UK? ('Insignificantly' springs to mind). The government seem to be getting a lot of powers at the expense of our relative danger. All just opinion of course!
So the UK is under threat by terrorists, nothing new there then. We underwent years of IRA activity in the UK with bombs going off left right and center, so to speak.
But is this mentioning of threat levels akin to how the USA regime works?.... in that to take away some public freedoms you have to make them feel threatened?
(Government's Counter–Terrorism and Security Bill - aimed at these religious warring types, but also allows the government to invade the privacy of any UK citizen).
I am wondering just how at danger a single member of the public actually is when at residence in the UK? ('Insignificantly' springs to mind). The government seem to be getting a lot of powers at the expense of our relative danger. All just opinion of course!
Im so glad other people see through the mist of this.
How much freedom should we give up for a threat that is hardly material, there are no constant attacks from extremists, yet we must allow people into our lives and metadata.
If you've got nothing to hide and all that.
Someone on the mail website put:
"ID RATHER LIVE IN A POLICE STATE THAN AN ISLAMIC STATE"
So hurrah for UK ignorance, the people truly are f
ked now we're that stupid.
How much freedom should we give up for a threat that is hardly material, there are no constant attacks from extremists, yet we must allow people into our lives and metadata.
If you've got nothing to hide and all that.
Someone on the mail website put:
"ID RATHER LIVE IN A POLICE STATE THAN AN ISLAMIC STATE"
So hurrah for UK ignorance, the people truly are f
ked now we're that stupid.The terrorist threat to the UK really must be dealt with. Its a real risk to all of us and those who disagree are kidding themselves.
The only problem is they happen to run the country already. Not sure where we go from there.
Terrorism "the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims." The powers that be have done/do and will continue to do both of these.
The only problem is they happen to run the country already. Not sure where we go from there.
Terrorism "the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims." The powers that be have done/do and will continue to do both of these.
If there is an all time high terror thread from "the Islamist faction" (and I'm not suggesting that I feel terrorised) then the blame lies squarely at the doors of 95% of the last 65 years of politicians who have supported excessive immigration of people whose cultures and values are at odds to British culture and values. By allowing this to happen they have failed at a significant part of their job which is to be proactive in protecting the British public against future threats. I believe there were some politicians many decades ago who warned against this, but were generally derided and ignored.
Esseesse said:
If there is an all time high terror thread from "the Islamist faction" (and I'm not suggesting that I feel terrorised) then the blame lies squarely at the doors of 95% of the last 65 years of politicians who have supported excessive immigration of people whose cultures and values are at odds to British culture and values. By allowing this to happen they have failed at a significant part of their job which is to be proactive in protecting the British public against future threats. I believe there were some politicians many decades ago who warned against this, but were generally derided and ignored.
Out of curiosity, what people/parties warned against it? Who are the 5% you mention? I'm assuming Enoch Powell was the main one. 
Esseesse said:
If there is an all time high terror thread from "the Islamist faction" (and I'm not suggesting that I feel terrorised) then the blame lies squarely at the doors of 95% of the last 65 years of politicians who have supported excessive immigration of people whose cultures and values are at odds to British culture and values. By allowing this to happen they have failed at a significant part of their job which is to be proactive in protecting the British public against future threats. I believe there were some politicians many decades ago who warned against this, but were generally derided and ignored.
Nothing to do with the British and French politicians who drew lines all over the Middle East map after WWI and said 'you have this bit, we'll have that bit and sod the bit we promised to the Arabs.' then?
DeanR32 said:
Out of curiosity, what people/parties warned against it? Who are the 5% you mention? I'm assuming Enoch Powell was the main one.
Apologies, a presumption on my part. Yes Powell is the main one, and although he used what many would describe as inflammatory language, I think he had a point. Surely he was not the only one? Perhaps publicly he was. I assumed that there have been others at various time who aired concerns about immigration numbers? I know there are many right now thanks to recent political events, but on the whole they seem rather insincere.TTwiggy said:
Nothing to do with the British and French politicians who drew lines all over the Middle East map after WWI and said 'you have this bit, we'll have that bit and sod the bit we promised to the Arabs.' then?
Without doubt Western influence in the Middle East has had at least a destabilising effect much of the time, in both more recent times and when they drew lines on a map.We've always been at war with Oceania. Follow the yellow brick road people, avoiding lone wolves...
To be fair it's not a question of unknown unknowns, but one of known unknowns coming to the fore. Since the Lee Rigby attack the security forces have to see every possible fruit loop nut case who ever crossed their radar as a potential murderer and terrorist, that significantly increases the level of threat, especially with these fellas arriving back from Syria.
To be fair it's not a question of unknown unknowns, but one of known unknowns coming to the fore. Since the Lee Rigby attack the security forces have to see every possible fruit loop nut case who ever crossed their radar as a potential murderer and terrorist, that significantly increases the level of threat, especially with these fellas arriving back from Syria.
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