Terror threat at an all time high
Discussion
egor110 said:
Pickled said:
egor110 said:
I don't remember them taking to the streets and attacking people at knife point, the most up front they were was the drain pipe rocket launched into downing street, other than that it was bombs planted , car bombs left.
I'm sure in Ireland things were much different.
They weren't shy of grabbing people off the street and executing them in fields...I'm sure in Ireland things were much different.
As i said i'm sure they did in Ireland , however these new muslim terror groups are pushing things on a bit.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-1086...
Calling for isp's to do the work of the intelligence agencies is lame. The guys was known and was subject to intrusive monitoring, which I assume would have been through a judge and had the home office ministers approval. Whic begs the question why wasn't his PC along with all if his accounts including Facebook mirrored to spook central.
Seems like smoke and mirrors to push through changes to monitoring without the requisite checks and balances in place from what I can see, almost a lazy approach which will be open to abuse....
Seems like smoke and mirrors to push through changes to monitoring without the requisite checks and balances in place from what I can see, almost a lazy approach which will be open to abuse....
Mr Whippy said:
I suppose if you fear home-brew radicals doing bad things then the internet is indeed a source of dodgy goings on. But I'm assuming those with the means and desire to do bad things will always find a way to find martyrs. Be it in social gatherings in person (remember that form of social activity), and I'm certain there are not spies at every social location 
Most are 'home-brew' who become radicalised through the internet or in person. Traditional intelligence methods tend to get people 'on the radar' who do physical meets. It's higher-risk. Mr Whippy said:
And given the recent revelations it appears a lot of useful information is already there freely available any way. Don't the NSA collect UK users data and store it for a few days. Anything with potentially interesting content is stored longer, and a cascade system of storage is used to keep actually useful data indefinitely? GCHQ appear to do the same for the USA.
A lot of powers are readily available. Some of the powers are a response to a 'new' way of working, or one that is becoming a risk which attracts greater focus. For example, there are powers to remove someone's passport, but they are not really suited in the context of terrorism. The same with insurance companies not being allowed to cover ransoms. Other amendments are to control orders and such like. I'm not sure which one you mean is going to result in mass data-encryption and thus make the objective harder. Mr Whippy said:
If we start to go down the path of interrogating everything anyone says on-line then we'll just end up with police sitting sifting through false negatives all day long. Facebook certainly aren't gonna pay to do it.
And if we run for automated systems then it'll just harm the users in the end. Getting a visit from Plod because Facebook ticked a box beside your name because you wrote a few key words in the wrong order.
I imagine it would have to be algorithmic, if it ever were to occur. I can't see anything proposed that's going to force Facebook or others to do so. The companies are listed and based in the US, so is beyond the scope of our statute. And if we run for automated systems then it'll just harm the users in the end. Getting a visit from Plod because Facebook ticked a box beside your name because you wrote a few key words in the wrong order.
That's why, I imagine, Cameron is saying they have a "social responsibility" to help prevent it. They do, but it needs to be reasonable.
Mr Whippy said:
People acting along are impossible to detect really, the only way to detect them is to analyse EVERYONE, and then find the appropriate trends that might suggest a dodgy person. But once that system is in place it'll be a dangerous tool. Dissent, discontent, peaceful protest, how far away is one mans terrorist from another mans peaceful protest over something important to them?
The most important facet of counter-terrorism is 'prevention'. The CT strategy is called "Prevent". The best way to do this is gain the trust of the communities where people are at risk of radicalisation so they will inform the police and security services. That's why so much effort goes into marketing around basic things like people changing their behaviour etc. From what I understand, the best quality intelligence is still human-based. Mr Whippy said:
You only need to read the leaked Snowden documents to begin to wonder what the real motivations behind these tools are. Terror avoidance is one use, but it certainly isn't an exclusive use by any means.
I think, when you're in a world where all your time is dealing with the extreme minority (low-probability, high-impact material), it's very easy to get into the "if only we had X, Y and Z" type of thinking then we could do our job better.Oakey said:
I saw on the news tonight that Lee Rigby's family are blaming Facebook because of a post one of the killers made. Facebook have over a billion users, all posting endless inane drivel day in, day out, how is anyone realistically meant to monitor all of that?
How much (more) time and resources would be wasted if the police / security services had to investigate every questionable post some idiot makes?
It's absurd for them to suggest this is Facebooks fault.
It's clearly not Facebook's fault. The volume of social media content means it's going to be rather hard to detected individual posts. How much (more) time and resources would be wasted if the police / security services had to investigate every questionable post some idiot makes?
It's absurd for them to suggest this is Facebooks fault.
Speculative searching requires so much work. Targeted work is so much more beneficial. Given the pair were already on the radar, where means not already available to intrusively monitor their social media content? If not, then that raises questions about accessing data.
I'd prefer intrusive powers to be used on those where intelligence exits, rather than in a 'catch-all' manner.
FourWheelDrift said:
Now imagine if they gave these out instead.
dandarez said:
Apparently, The Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) commissioned the Run/Hide/Tell flyers.
Surprised it didn't have at the top 'Now children...'
Jeez. WHO is running this country, do they have anything up top?
Still, there is an upside: one printer got some work out of it.
Simple, gross motor skills and simple instructions are the only thing you'll be able to rely on if something like that were to happen. I'd suggest it's an indication that they consider such an attack a strong possibility. Surprised it didn't have at the top 'Now children...'
Jeez. WHO is running this country, do they have anything up top?
Still, there is an upside: one printer got some work out of it.
Mark-C said:
There is a massive problem with some (and they are mostly younger) Islamic people in this country but we cannot blame all of Islam for where we are right now ...
My personal experience and view is that the majority of them really don't like us, this "minority" thing doesn't wash with me.There's a thread on PH in NPE somewhere with a post on it (made in the last few weeks) and it's a list of surveys of percentages of Muslims who support various terrorist activities and so on. I can't remember what thread it's on but it's eye-opening.
JuniorD said:
Anyone know what the often mentioned "deradicalisation" process involves?
Is a magic wand, and/or a "look into my eyes..." type thing?
Electroshock and Aversion Therapy - same they did on gays back in the day.Is a magic wand, and/or a "look into my eyes..." type thing?
Just change the word to 'bomb' instead of 'bum' in most sentences.
"I will not bomb people"
"If I feel like bombing people I shall suppress the urge and have a w
k instead"Etc...
Very simple.
FourWheelDrift said:
Now imagine if they gave these out instead.
The irony is they don't believe him when he 'tells' in that film. He needs to throw a dead guy tens of floors down onto a police car while it's getting shot up by 7.62mm GPMG.
Oh how terrorism has come on since then.
Terror, you say terror! CLOSE THE COUNTRY DOWN!
Dave
dandarez said:
My mate was handed a leaflet by police while on the train platform today.
What did it say?
Run ...Hide ...Tell
Uhh?
Oh ffs!
In case of a Mumbai style attack apparently or something.
Run = Panic and leg it about like a headless chicken.What did it say?
Run ...Hide ...Tell
Uhh?
Oh ffs!
In case of a Mumbai style attack apparently or something.
Hide = Cower in a corner hoping the woman next to you can't tell that you've s
t yourself.Tell = Phone you mum and gibber that you love her lots and you're sorry for stealing the Embassy No1s from her purse when you were 14.
AA999 said:
Yet - http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/10/29/uk-britai...
Yeah they must be REALLY under threat...
If - God forbid - there was to be a Mumbai style outrage one place you really don't want to be in is a Jewish cultural centre, and certainly not the rabbi in charge or his pregnant wife.
On the other hand, as ISI was implicated in that attack perhaps the UK Gov't has better links/moles/surveillance of what the Pakistani agencies are planning and can advise we the people accordingly.
Is that how it works?
On the other hand, as ISI was implicated in that attack perhaps the UK Gov't has better links/moles/surveillance of what the Pakistani agencies are planning and can advise we the people accordingly.
Is that how it works?
superkartracer said:
AA999 said:
Yet - http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/10/29/uk-britai...
Yeah they must be REALLY under threat...
Remember at school people would threaten to kill each other all day long, but no one really ever went through with it
Mr Whippy said:
superkartracer said:
AA999 said:
Yet - http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/10/29/uk-britai...
Yeah they must be REALLY under threat...
Remember at school people would threaten to kill each other all day long, but no one really ever went through with it
Seems a threat?
superkartracer said:
Mr Whippy said:
superkartracer said:
AA999 said:
Yet - http://uk.reuters.com/article/2014/10/29/uk-britai...
Yeah they must be REALLY under threat...
Remember at school people would threaten to kill each other all day long, but no one really ever went through with it
Seems a threat?
gpo746 said:
This was mentioned on page 1 (80 posts per page view here 
), but thanks for the link as well .Regards the "run, hide, tell" leaflets... Oh dear! The powers-that-be clearly believe this stuff. Hostages to fortune? Time will tell.
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