Terror threat at an all time high
Discussion
Hol said:
The security services have managed to intervene and stop 40 planned attacks since 7/7, according to reports in the papers tonight.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/schools-and-...
However,
According to Dick down the pub, the public haven't noticed any change, as no sirens have gone off and no bombs hVe exploded.
Maybe they ARE both right???
And if they are both right, then the security services have managed this without any further illiberal snooping legislation. So why do we need it again?http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/schools-and-...
However,
According to Dick down the pub, the public haven't noticed any change, as no sirens have gone off and no bombs hVe exploded.
Maybe they ARE both right???
Impasse said:
Does this I'll have to put my belt in a clear plastic bag before getting on an aeroplane?
Means you'll need to shave off all your hair, strip naked (new clothing to be issued in departures) and you will relinquish your name and be issued a number. It is the only way they could make air travel any more unpleasant
Hol said:
The security services have managed to intervene and stop 40 planned attacks since 7/7, according to reports in the papers tonight.
But no information on any of these alleged plots.No info as to what.
No info as to when.
No info as to where.
No info as to why.
No info as to who.
Nothing. Nil. Nada. Zilch. Zero.
This lack of information is part of the ongoing war against these unspecified threats. But please believe it, as they only have our safety in mind.
Rovinghawk said:
Hol said:
The security services have managed to intervene and stop 40 planned attacks since 7/7, according to reports in the papers tonight.
But no information on any of these alleged plots.No info as to what.
No info as to when.
No info as to where.
No info as to why.
No info as to who.
Nothing. Nil. Nada. Zilch. Zero.
This lack of information is part of the ongoing war against these unspecified threats. But please believe it, as they only have our safety in mind.
Esseesse said:
If there is an all time high terror thread from "the Islamist faction" (and I'm not suggesting that I feel terrorised) then the blame lies squarely at the doors of 95% of the last 65 years of politicians who have supported excessive immigration of people whose cultures and values are at odds to British culture and values. By allowing this to happen they have failed at a significant part of their job which is to be proactive in protecting the British public against future threats. I believe there were some politicians many decades ago who warned against this, but were generally derided and ignored.
This. All day long. well having some first hand experience in the security of some of this country's infrastructure.
outside of some key London assets it varies from non-existent through laughable to barely adequate
down to a mix of underfunding incompetence complacency and down right arrogance
i im astonished we have not had multiple attacks already i can only assume
the "enemy's" we keep getting warned about either don't exist or are just as underfunded
and incompetent.
outside of some key London assets it varies from non-existent through laughable to barely adequate
down to a mix of underfunding incompetence complacency and down right arrogance
i im astonished we have not had multiple attacks already i can only assume
the "enemy's" we keep getting warned about either don't exist or are just as underfunded
and incompetent.
RobDickinson said:
Rovinghawk said:
Hol said:
The security services have managed to intervene and stop 40 planned attacks since 7/7, according to reports in the papers tonight.
But no information on any of these alleged plots.No info as to what.
No info as to when.
No info as to where.
No info as to why.
No info as to who.
Nothing. Nil. Nada. Zilch. Zero.
This lack of information is part of the ongoing war against these unspecified threats. But please believe it, as they only have our safety in mind.
ks isn't it? If they're that good at stopping all these terrorist threats without us even noticing then surely (stop calling me, etc) the threat is at an all time low?Hol said:
The security services have managed to intervene and stop 40 planned attacks since 7/7, according to reports in the papers tonight.
Well, they would say that wouldn't they ?They are merely justifying their jobs.
MI5, MI6 and the rest of the "hush-hush" mob are hardly
likely to say "no real problem here, we don't need to worry about
Islamic terrorists". They would be made redundant pretty sharpish.
Much worse happened during the 1970s at the hands of the IRA
and during WW1 and WW2 and UK life still went on mostly unhindered.
Indeed, I'd wager that the amount of time and money wasted
worrying about security, especially at airports and ferry terminals,
far far outweighs the amount of damage actually caused by
these terrorists.
DeanR32 said:
Thanks for the reply Smegmore.
I remember an IRA bomb going off over near canary wharf. I was very close by watching basketball. That was a fair size bomb IIRC. I don't remember any of the hysteria and hatred towards the Irish, like we see these days with the Muslim extremist threat we have now.
I think the difference between the IRA and the current perceived threats are, the IRA were mainly attacking the our Government/Establishment (yes I know there were many exceptions to this rule) and generally gave warnings - it was isolated in a global sense, to the rest of the world it was our problem, even some Americans supported the IRA! And I don't for a minute think being Irish in London during the 70's was a a bed of roses. I remember an IRA bomb going off over near canary wharf. I was very close by watching basketball. That was a fair size bomb IIRC. I don't remember any of the hysteria and hatred towards the Irish, like we see these days with the Muslim extremist threat we have now.
The threat nowadays is aimed at (most) countries that aren't Islamic i.e. most of the western world so the threat is widespread, the jihadists seem more intent in going for the shock factor i.e. going for the innocent civilians which creates more shock and awe, which must make the job for the security services more difficult, with the IRA they could generally guess/gather intel on what would be likely targets.
Edited by Pickled on Monday 24th November 22:06
As someone who worked in central London during the 1970's and early 1980's I can categorically say, with complete confidence that the terror threat now is not at an all-time high. I was working in Lancaster Gate when the Hyde Park bomb went off and shattered our office window.
Edited by audidoody on Monday 24th November 22:11
audidoody said:
As someone who worked in central London during the 1970's and early 1980's I can categorically say, with complete confidence that the terror threat now is not at an all-time high. I was working in Lancaster Gate when the Hyde Park bomb went off and shattered our office window.
The ira were not willing to be martyred though.Edited by audidoody on Monday 24th November 22:11
Were they ever as brazen as to kill and pretty much behead a soldier near as damm it next to his base?
audidoody said:
As someone who worked in central London during the 1970's and early 1980's I can categorically say, with complete confidence that the terror threat now is not at an all-time high. I was working in Lancaster Gate when the Hyde Park bomb went off and shattered our office window.
I think theres a big difference between the real threat, which was genuine in the 70/80s, and perceived threat nowadays may well be spin spouted by politicians for their own nefarious reasons, however I like to think that I have no need for a tin foil hat and choose to believe that our security services are doing a better job than they are sometimes given credit for.Edited by audidoody on Monday 24th November 22:11
egor110 said:
audidoody said:
As someone who worked in central London during the 1970's and early 1980's I can categorically say, with complete confidence that the terror threat now is not at an all-time high. I was working in Lancaster Gate when the Hyde Park bomb went off and shattered our office window.
The ira were not willing to be martyred though.Edited by audidoody on Monday 24th November 22:11
Were they ever as brazen as to kill and pretty much behead a soldier near as damm it next to his base?
Edited by andy_s on Monday 24th November 22:37
andy_s said:
egor110 said:
audidoody said:
As someone who worked in central London during the 1970's and early 1980's I can categorically say, with complete confidence that the terror threat now is not at an all-time high. I was working in Lancaster Gate when the Hyde Park bomb went off and shattered our office window.
The ira were not willing to be martyred though.Edited by audidoody on Monday 24th November 22:11
Were they ever as brazen as to kill and pretty much behead a soldier near as damm it next to his base?
I'm sure in Ireland things were much different.
egor110 said:
I don't remember them taking to the streets and attacking people at knife point, the most up front they were was the drain pipe rocket launched into downing street, other than that it was bombs planted , car bombs left.
I'm sure in Ireland things were much different.
They weren't shy in grabbing people off the street and executing them in fields...I'm sure in Ireland things were much different.
Pickled said:
egor110 said:
I don't remember them taking to the streets and attacking people at knife point, the most up front they were was the drain pipe rocket launched into downing street, other than that it was bombs planted , car bombs left.
I'm sure in Ireland things were much different.
They weren't shy of grabbing people off the street and executing them in fields...I'm sure in Ireland things were much different.
As i said i'm sure they did in Ireland , however these new muslim terror groups are pushing things on a bit.
Has anyone used the Fraklin quote about essential safety and giving up Liberty to achieve it yet? If not, then it needs to be invoked here right now
As with all current politicians, and I include senior police officers in that bracket, you can't even see the the mirrors through the smoke it's laid on that thick.
As with all current politicians, and I include senior police officers in that bracket, you can't even see the the mirrors through the smoke it's laid on that thick.
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