No charges for Missouri cop who shot unarmed teenager
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RemyMartin said:
Muntu said:
unrepentant said:
Obviously it was a bit of a generalization Matt....
I have a number of black friends - smart, successful people and I know that if I spent a day or a week or a month in their skin I would feel differently about the police than I do as a white person.
I am black. I find the actions and behaviour of the Ferguson residents a fI have a number of black friends - smart, successful people and I know that if I spent a day or a week or a month in their skin I would feel differently about the police than I do as a white person.
king embarrassment. Perhaps if they worked harder in school, they wouldn't find themselves (1) Running at and attacking policemen and getting shot, or (2), Participating in riotsTotal non story for me. I wont lose any sleep that black or white people are being shot whilst commiting crime in a country where the police carry guns, and are known to fire if you take the piss.
k with them RemyMartin said:
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Total non story for me. I wont lose any sleep that black or white people are being shot whilst commiting crime in a country where the police carry guns, and are known to fire if you take the piss.
+1 Total non story for me. I wont lose any sleep that black or white people are being shot whilst commiting crime in a country where the police carry guns, and are known to fire if you take the piss.
Sadly the story behind the story here is the left's agitation of the situation and not just in the US. I had to explain to my 10 year old daughter yesterday that the US policeman did not just shoot an unarmed teenager (this is exactly how BBC's news round is reporting it) for fun. I explained the fact that he was a violent thief that charged at an armed policeman after having previously punched him in the face. I had to explain that a grand jury had looked carefully at the evidence and agreed that the policeman was right to do what he did in the circumstances. This morning she came to see me to ask why the BBC are lying again on News round, frankly I cant explain it. I did tell her that they aren't lying, they are just not telling all of the truth but I did not go into why they might do that.
XM5ER said:
RemyMartin said:
+1
Total non story for me. I wont lose any sleep that black or white people are being shot whilst commiting crime in a country where the police carry guns, and are known to fire if you take the piss.
+1 Total non story for me. I wont lose any sleep that black or white people are being shot whilst commiting crime in a country where the police carry guns, and are known to fire if you take the piss.
Sadly the story behind the story here is the left's agitation of the situation and not just in the US. I had to explain to my 10 year old daughter yesterday that the US policeman did not just shoot an unarmed teenager (this is exactly how BBC's news round is reporting it) for fun. I explained the fact that he was a violent thief that charged at an armed policeman after having previously punched him in the face. I had to explain that a grand jury had looked carefully at the evidence and agreed that the policeman was right to do what he did in the circumstances. This morning she came to see me to ask why the BBC are lying again on News round, frankly I cant explain it. I did tell her that they aren't lying, they are just not telling all of the truth but I did not go into why they might do that.
Question is though, if the officer was black & the deceased white & the same thing had happened would the consequences be the same, I.E. the man dying, more than likely you would think.
If the officer was black & the deceased black the same would probably happen, as would if the officer & the deceased were both white. (Although the above is all hypothetical).
Race really is of little relevance, (generally speaking) if you're in a country where a lot of people have access to guns, public & police alike & where gun crime seems to be rife, this is going to happen, of course you will get racist cops, of all races, it's just the white vs black thing will always be at the front of peoples minds.
If the officer was black & the deceased black the same would probably happen, as would if the officer & the deceased were both white. (Although the above is all hypothetical).
Race really is of little relevance, (generally speaking) if you're in a country where a lot of people have access to guns, public & police alike & where gun crime seems to be rife, this is going to happen, of course you will get racist cops, of all races, it's just the white vs black thing will always be at the front of peoples minds.
The event itself, tragic as it was is not uncommon.
What is important here is that it is galvanizing the black community. I was young when Detroit was practically burned to the ground in the sixties.
We are living in world of increasing radicalization everywhere (and not just the Middle East), low voter turnouts, historical distrust of government, increasing equality..(in the US now higher than 1929), heavily armed citizens in the US, both black and white, massive distrust of police, and a failing middle class, in particularly in the working class white community.
The reaction here is a broader one, and I am concerned that this will not be the end of this situation, but the beginning.
What is important here is that it is galvanizing the black community. I was young when Detroit was practically burned to the ground in the sixties.
We are living in world of increasing radicalization everywhere (and not just the Middle East), low voter turnouts, historical distrust of government, increasing equality..(in the US now higher than 1929), heavily armed citizens in the US, both black and white, massive distrust of police, and a failing middle class, in particularly in the working class white community.
The reaction here is a broader one, and I am concerned that this will not be the end of this situation, but the beginning.
Jasandjules said:
There is a pic of him on facebook doing the rounds - pointing a weapon at the camera with a wad of cash in his mouth. The Caption is something like "not the picture the media will show"..
And the media are going after the cop who posted it now... which I guess is fair given that its not him in the photo!
http://www.kctv5.com/story/26310700/kansas-city-of...
RDMcG said:
The event itself, tragic as it was is not uncommon.
What is important here is that it is galvanizing the black community. I was young when Detroit was practically burned to the ground in the sixties.
We are living in world of increasing radicalization everywhere (and not just the Middle East), low voter turnouts, historical distrust of government, increasing equality..(in the US now higher than 1929), heavily armed citizens in the US, both black and white, massive distrust of police, and a failing middle class, in particularly in the working class white community.
The reaction here is a broader one, and I am concerned that this will not be the end of this situation, but the beginning.
I fear you are spot on. Life for too many has become too easy whilst for other too hard. Inequality is terrible but I have to say in the UK it is not inequality of opportunity, as all can have an education, all can have some form of home but some grasp it with both hands others do not. I see to many of low education who moan but do nothing about their situation. I did night schools to help me get on but it easier to blame others.What is important here is that it is galvanizing the black community. I was young when Detroit was practically burned to the ground in the sixties.
We are living in world of increasing radicalization everywhere (and not just the Middle East), low voter turnouts, historical distrust of government, increasing equality..(in the US now higher than 1929), heavily armed citizens in the US, both black and white, massive distrust of police, and a failing middle class, in particularly in the working class white community.
The reaction here is a broader one, and I am concerned that this will not be the end of this situation, but the beginning.
When there is a developing underclass we see those with agendas pray on these people. Offering religion, or drink or drugs as an answer. Dragging them into anti establishment riots etc is easy. We are in for a hard time for years to come with unrest and fear of attacks.
Fittster said:
Jimbeaux said:
Fittster said:
spaximus said:
Now the big question is why are blacks so prone to this sort of incident?
Being shot by white police officers while they are unarmed and have their hands up?Nothing much is going to change for another 30 years or so when I suspect most people on this thread won't care.
spaximus said:
. . . we see those with agendas pray on these people. Offering religion . . .
Couldn't resist that.I have an American friend who, in a previous similar incident, said that youths were going into petrol stations to fill up containers ready for the spontaneous riot a day or so later. There was a certain irony, she said, that the petrol station was razed and not replaced, leaving a massive area without one.
I know a few Americans and even the 'liberal' ones are a bit right of Cameron. The casual racism displayed in their conversation and writing of emails is something of an embarrassment.
From what I can gather, we make a basic error in thinking of the USA as one cultural country. There are vast differences between states/cities from what I've been told and what happens in one area is unlikely to be followed in another.
St. Louis is not unique, but it has a certain history.
I have one friend who has lived in many areas across the USA and reckons that he can behave in one way in one part when he would get arrested for doing so in another.
I have not contacted any of them about this riot but in a previous one it was compared to a little local difficulty in Madrid for someone living in London. My lad stayed in a friend's flat in a suburb of New York. At one time he was dropped about three blocks from the flat as the cabbie refused to go further. On the way back there was a road block, manned by armed blacks. He had nowhere else to go and didn't want to wander around the streets at night so just said hello to them, clambered past the inverted cars, and carried on walking.
There were a number of shots during the night, no that unusual, and in the late morning (he was on holiday so probably early afternoon) he got up, wandered to the road block to find it gone and businesses carrying on as if nothing had happened. Which it hadn't.
Similarly a friend of mine stayed in Washington DC with her brother, some sort of political bod. They were walking through the entertainment centre, one of the few places they were allowed to go by their medical insurance, when a passenger in a passing car shot out the illuminated sign above them, showing her and her brother in shards of glass, but with no real injury.
The police did not want to know. Just lively kids it seems.
So most of those in the USA will probably not be that bothered by the news. Strange country in places.
Watch this video, especially at 1:25 on. This is from Milwaukee WI. Good perspective. Scroll below the pic, the video frame is lower down the page:
https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/milwaukee-p...
https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/milwaukee-p...
You only have to look at the footage from the 60's of black kids walking through the guantlet of white hatred towards them as they are bused into schools or colleges to get a feel for why racism is such an issue for the black community in the US. In the race to the American Dream blacks started at the back of the grid.
That mindset still exists in the good old US of A to this day and regardless of the rights or wrongs of this particular incident is something that has to be addressed eventually as perceptions are well and truly entrenched on both sides.
Throw a grotesquely over-militarised police force and a civilian population bristling with firearms into the mix and these incidents will continue forever more.
That mindset still exists in the good old US of A to this day and regardless of the rights or wrongs of this particular incident is something that has to be addressed eventually as perceptions are well and truly entrenched on both sides.
Throw a grotesquely over-militarised police force and a civilian population bristling with firearms into the mix and these incidents will continue forever more.
Jimbeaux said:
Watch this video, especially at 1:25 on. This is from Milwaukee WI. Good perspective. Scroll below the pic, the video frame is lower down the page:
https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/milwaukee-p...
It will fall on the wrong ears I am afraid. It was the same when the Police shot a guy in London, the riots and looting were nothing to do with it opportunistic people who are criminals nothing else. This officer sees the things others do not and even the reporters could see that was genuine feelings not some rehearsed speel.https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/milwaukee-p...
dudleybloke said:
Jasandjules said:
There is a pic of him on facebook doing the rounds - pointing a weapon at the camera with a wad of cash in his mouth. The Caption is something like "not the picture the media will show"..
the pic is another lad apparently. head either.Reported on news that 2 FBI had been shot and wounded - seems to have gone quiet now.
Jimbeaux said:
Watch this video, especially at 1:25 on. This is from Milwaukee WI. Good perspective. Scroll below the pic, the video frame is lower down the page:
https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/milwaukee-p...
I saw that yesterday and thought "He's 100% right but if anyone over here dared to be so honest they'd be out of a job within 24 hours".https://www.thefederalistpapers.org/us/milwaukee-p...
Apparently Browns civil rights might have been violated:
BBC News said:
The decision means Mr Wilson will not face state criminal charges over the shooting. However, the US Justice Department has also launched a federal investigation into whether Mr Wilson violated Mr Brown's civil rights.
Source: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-30214001dudleybloke said:
Jasandjules said:
There is a pic of him on facebook doing the rounds - pointing a weapon at the camera with a wad of cash in his mouth. The Caption is something like "not the picture the media will show"..
the pic is another lad apparently. Sums up the whole thing rather well. Make excuses all you want, they might even be good ones, but people don't have to trust you when you say that's not how officers of the law really think.
La Liga said:
hose 'not consenting' are a statistical minority given the population size of America. The mass majority who are, by omitting to riot and loot, consenting to the justice process.
Sunnis are a statistical minority in Iraq. Non-muslims in Egypt.Ask them how expecting minorities to be happy with the majority decision turns out. Generally, with ethnic cleansing.
Modern governments are usually capable of better.
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