No charges for Missouri cop who shot unarmed teenager
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KareemK said:
Who said anything about "commonly seen on the streets"? Available, deployable and indeed deployed, yes.
The only people in the UK with similar resources are the armed forces. My point stands.
Most UK police forces have armoured vehicles, perhaps not painted black but they are there and they get deployed when the natives go shopping for free trainers. Most are landrover derivatives, but the Met have some incredibly ugly things based on US trucks.The only people in the UK with similar resources are the armed forces. My point stands.
Did you lot read the article 
Some of you mob will argue black is white
or, most certainly isn't 
Anyone comparing the arsenal available to the US police service as equal to The uk police force needs their head read.
Yes they have to face guns held by the public but i mentioned that.
type in 'uk police militarization' to google and see how many links are to the us police and not the uk police. Its an issue in the US but not here.
Some of you mob will argue black is white
or, most certainly isn't Anyone comparing the arsenal available to the US police service as equal to The uk police force needs their head read.
Yes they have to face guns held by the public but i mentioned that.
type in 'uk police militarization' to google and see how many links are to the us police and not the uk police. Its an issue in the US but not here.
KareemK said:
Did you lot read the article
Some of you mob will argue black is white or, most certainly isn't
Anyone comparing the arsenal available to the US police service as equal to The uk police force needs their head read.
Yes they have to face guns held by the public but i mentioned that.
type in 'uk police militarization' to google and see how many links are to the us police and not the uk police. Its an issue in the US but not here.
You arguments are weaker than a Fiat reliability review.Some of you mob will argue black is white
or, most certainly isn't Anyone comparing the arsenal available to the US police service as equal to The uk police force needs their head read.
Yes they have to face guns held by the public but i mentioned that.
type in 'uk police militarization' to google and see how many links are to the us police and not the uk police. Its an issue in the US but not here.
Jimbeaux said:
KareemK said:
Did you lot read the article
Some of you mob will argue black is white or, most certainly isn't
Anyone comparing the arsenal available to the US police service as equal to The uk police force needs their head read.
Yes they have to face guns held by the public but i mentioned that.
type in 'uk police militarization' to google and see how many links are to the us police and not the uk police. Its an issue in the US but not here.
You arguments are weaker than a Fiat reliability review.Some of you mob will argue black is white
or, most certainly isn't Anyone comparing the arsenal available to the US police service as equal to The uk police force needs their head read.
Yes they have to face guns held by the public but i mentioned that.
type in 'uk police militarization' to google and see how many links are to the us police and not the uk police. Its an issue in the US but not here.
KareemK said:
Yes they have to face guns held by the public but i mentioned that.
type in 'uk police militarization' to google and see how many links are to the us police and not the uk police. Its an issue in the US but not here.
But it's not "grotesquely over-militarised". They, on occasions, will face serious threats, so need serious equipment. The day-to-day policing over there is similar kit to what you'll find across Europe. type in 'uk police militarization' to google and see how many links are to the us police and not the uk police. Its an issue in the US but not here.
carinaman said:
I've not been following this but on the News Quiz on Radio 4 there was some joke about the law enforcement/investigator that attended the scene of the shooting had dead batteries in their camera so couldn't take photos.
That's untrue isn't it?
The pathologist/medical examiner's camera had a flat battery so they could not take pictures at the scene, but St Louis PD took crime scene pictures. This apparently is a colossal racist conspiracy.That's untrue isn't it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_poli...
looking at this list I have now much more understanding for US cops... btw isn't the percentage of those dying in car accidents a bit too big for what should be professionally trained drivers?
looking at this list I have now much more understanding for US cops... btw isn't the percentage of those dying in car accidents a bit too big for what should be professionally trained drivers?
KareemK said:
Jimbeaux said:
KareemK said:
Did you lot read the article
Some of you mob will argue black is white or, most certainly isn't
Anyone comparing the arsenal available to the US police service as equal to The uk police force needs their head read.
Yes they have to face guns held by the public but i mentioned that.
type in 'uk police militarization' to google and see how many links are to the us police and not the uk police. Its an issue in the US but not here.
You arguments are weaker than a Fiat reliability review.Some of you mob will argue black is white
or, most certainly isn't Anyone comparing the arsenal available to the US police service as equal to The uk police force needs their head read.
Yes they have to face guns held by the public but i mentioned that.
type in 'uk police militarization' to google and see how many links are to the us police and not the uk police. Its an issue in the US but not here.
AreOut said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_poli...
looking at this list I have now much more understanding for US cops... btw isn't the percentage of those dying in car accidents a bit too big for what should be professionally trained drivers?
That list is so depressing - two of the officers killed by gunfire this year have a special place in our hearts - Scott Pine, who we knew and was a colleague of my daughters and Officer German of Windermere PD - he died at Orlando Regional Medical Center with my daughter by his side - she diverted to ORMC when the radio said he was being transported there - and she was determined that he wouldn't be alone. She was also part of the Honor Guard at both funerals. Just awful. It's sometimes tough to be parents of American patrol officers.looking at this list I have now much more understanding for US cops... btw isn't the percentage of those dying in car accidents a bit too big for what should be professionally trained drivers?
I agree with your comments about disproportionate number of fatal auto accidents - most are single vehicle wrecks too - and usually young, less experienced officers who get the red mist and just drive too fast for conditions, vehicle capabilities and level of training (which is pretty basic). This is even more worrying when you consider the number of agencies that have a no-pursuit policy on non-felony traffic stops.
Jimbeaux said:
KareemK said:
Jimbeaux said:
KareemK said:
Did you lot read the article
Some of you mob will argue black is white or, most certainly isn't
Anyone comparing the arsenal available to the US police service as equal to The uk police force needs their head read.
Yes they have to face guns held by the public but i mentioned that.
type in 'uk police militarization' to google and see how many links are to the us police and not the uk police. Its an issue in the US but not here.
You arguments are weaker than a Fiat reliability review.Some of you mob will argue black is white
or, most certainly isn't Anyone comparing the arsenal available to the US police service as equal to The uk police force needs their head read.
Yes they have to face guns held by the public but i mentioned that.
type in 'uk police militarization' to google and see how many links are to the us police and not the uk police. Its an issue in the US but not here.
As for 'opining' I seem to recall you doing such on the subject of Muslim extremists in the UK with your likely source the beeb as well.
For those that say it doesnt exist and minorities are playing the race card. Watch this video. This man was stopped simply for WWB (walking while black).
http://youtu.be/9_wLTmnKP5I
The US is a terrible place for minorities and they are light years behind Europe in terms of race relations. In all my years in Europe I have experienced overt racism once and that was from a neighbour during an argument. They were just words. I have had less than five incidents where I believe my race played a part in the treatment I got but I could even be wrong and those incidents had nothing to do with race.
In America, a black man can be executed because of a chain of events started off because by him simply walking down the road.
http://youtu.be/9_wLTmnKP5I
The US is a terrible place for minorities and they are light years behind Europe in terms of race relations. In all my years in Europe I have experienced overt racism once and that was from a neighbour during an argument. They were just words. I have had less than five incidents where I believe my race played a part in the treatment I got but I could even be wrong and those incidents had nothing to do with race.
In America, a black man can be executed because of a chain of events started off because by him simply walking down the road.
Eclassy said:
For those that say it doesnt exist and minorities are playing the race card. Watch this video. This man was stopped simply for WWB (walking while black).
http://youtu.be/9_wLTmnKP5I
The US is a terrible place for minorities and they are light years behind Europe in terms of race relations. In all my years in Europe I have experienced overt racism once and that was from a neighbour during an argument. They were just words. I have had less than five incidents where I believe my race played a part in the treatment I got but I could even be wrong and those incidents had nothing to do with race.
In America, a black man can be executed because of a chain of events started off because by him simply walking down the road.
That is rank....http://youtu.be/9_wLTmnKP5I
The US is a terrible place for minorities and they are light years behind Europe in terms of race relations. In all my years in Europe I have experienced overt racism once and that was from a neighbour during an argument. They were just words. I have had less than five incidents where I believe my race played a part in the treatment I got but I could even be wrong and those incidents had nothing to do with race.
In America, a black man can be executed because of a chain of events started off because by him simply walking down the road.
Eclassy said:
The US is a terrible place for minorities and they are light years behind Europe in terms of race relations.
I find the US to have one of the most diverse and mixed-populations I've ever encountered. Their social cohesion, in a lot of aspects, is miles beyond what we have here. There's a coherent strain of being "American" that runs through the population that makes this so. If you're uneducated, poor, have no drive and live within a high-crime community of like-minded people, then America is a terrible place. A grossly disproportional amount of minorities are in communities like this.
It's a blunt point (albeit better than one quick YouTube clip to make a point
), but the US may be a little more progressive than Europe with race relations, since they are one of the few places to have a leader who is from one of the minority groups. Eclassy said:
In America, a black man can be executed because of a chain of events started off because by him simply walking down the road.
What? Eclassy said:
In America, a black man can be executed because of a chain of events started off because by him simply walking down the road.
This is a very big claim. One that I am sure you would not make without having evidence to support it. Please would you be so kind as to give an example of such an exectution? Eclassy said:
In America, a black man can be executed because of a chain of events started off because by him simply walking down the road.
I'm quite sure many things could happen in many places. But do you think this happened in this case?
Nah. The man mountain violent thief would appear to have brought about his own demise. The riots are just people of a similar disposition seizing an opportunity.
I would not like to be a cop in the US one bit.
Eclassy said:
In America, a black man can be executed because of a chain of events started off because by him simply walking down the road.
The man wasn't executed, he was shot while charging at a cop. The true story started when he robbed the shop keeper, and it escalated when he tried to take the cops gun when legitimately stopped from committing another offence.I'm sure you also feel that stealing a plasma TV is legitimate protest at his "execution".
Edited by 98elise on Saturday 29th November 14:51
fblm said:
Eclassy said:
In America, a black man can be executed because of a chain of events started off because by him simply walking down the road.
Do you imagine this apologist drivel does anyone any favours?
The guy in that video clip was understandably irritated/offended by that interaction - and was completely within his rights to say nothing and carry on with his day. Proactive policing requires patrol officers to interact with the public, but the public are not obliged to reciprocate.
It goes without saying, the cop was courteous, respectful and tried his best to minimize the inconvenience to this guy - who was a lot less friendly in his responses. The police here have a duty to respond to calls from the public, frivolous or otherwise - and had they not bothered and the guy turned out to be a homicidal maniac, then they would have been damned for that too.
I thought that was a pretty poor example of police harassment. Try and find another, but while you're at it, check this one out...
(quite graphic) - http://youtu.be/3jjW3DlzaRw
The attempted theft of the officers gun at the end was also a class act, I'm sure you'll agree.
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