No charges for Missouri cop who shot unarmed teenager
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unrepentant said:
Fun story for the aplologists here. A Wakulla County, Florida cop was suspended after saying "damn cockroaches, squash 'em all" on Facebook in reference to African Americans. He was swiftly joined by four colleagues from the same police department who were also suspended for racist posts online.
Lo and behold KKK tags have now been sprayed on 3 local churches with predominantly black congregations! No racists in that police department then!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/...
Why don't you try & wind it in, you know, just for a laugh. Lo and behold KKK tags have now been sprayed on 3 local churches with predominantly black congregations! No racists in that police department then!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/12/...
Are you seriously suggesting that anyone who's posted here disagreeing with your view of blanket racism would for one second entertain that the actions of those cops is anything other than reprehensible?
It's good that the dumb cops let rip their filth on a public platform because now they're busted. Next step, pink slip.
As for the KKK outrage, hopefully the perps will also be outed quickly. Detestable sacks of s
te. Corpulent Tosser said:
DeanR32 said:
When the amount of officers it took to get him on the floor, achieved that goal and got him on the floor, let go of his neck!
Is that unreasonable to expect?
What is your natural, instinctive reaction to being choked?
Would any of that happened if he allowed himself to be cuffed ?Is that unreasonable to expect?
What is your natural, instinctive reaction to being choked?
k?Why do you think it's his f
king job? It isn't. He's not paid to do it. The person paid to arrest someone using the minimum necessary force, given all the training and authority to do so, at the forced expense of society, is the person fking responsible for using the minimum necessary force.Why is it so hard for you to comprehend that that is how responsibility works.
Maybe it's this woman's responsibility to never record the police? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q92m4WLLe2I#t=50
paranoid airbag said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
DeanR32 said:
When the amount of officers it took to get him on the floor, achieved that goal and got him on the floor, let go of his neck!
Is that unreasonable to expect?
What is your natural, instinctive reaction to being choked?
Would any of that happened if he allowed himself to be cuffed ?Is that unreasonable to expect?
What is your natural, instinctive reaction to being choked?
k?Why do you think it's his f
king job? It isn't. He's not paid to do it. The person paid to arrest someone using the minimum necessary force, given all the training and authority to do so, at the forced expense of society, is the person fking responsible for using the minimum necessary force.Why is it so hard for you to comprehend that that is how responsibility works.
Maybe it's this woman's responsibility to never record the police? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q92m4WLLe2I#t=50
"Right, so you won't put the cuffs on so now 5 of us are gonna jump you, 1 is gonna strangle you from behind and we're gonna bring you to the ground face first even though you clearly have health problems what with you being grossly overweight 'n all. Oh, and we'll ignore any pleas for help or the like. All of this even though you appear to not be presenting any kind of threat to anybody.
But it's your f
king fault, right!"paranoid airbag said:
Who gives a fk?
Why do you think it's his fking job? It isn't. He's not paid to do it. The person paid to arrest someone using the minimum necessary force, given all the training and authority to do so, at the forced expense of society, is the person fking responsible for using the minimum necessary force.
Given that his refusal to be handcuffed very probably contributed to the escalation of (lawful) force used upon him, it's certainly a relevant from a 'cause and effect' point of view. k?Why do you think it's his f
king job? It isn't. He's not paid to do it. The person paid to arrest someone using the minimum necessary force, given all the training and authority to do so, at the forced expense of society, is the person fking responsible for using the minimum necessary force.La Liga said:
iven that his refusal to be handcuffed very probably contributed to the escalation of (lawful) force used upon him, it's certainly a relevant from a 'cause and effect' point of view.
It wasn't necessary to 'escalate force', an intelligent law officer would have given him time to calm down.You do realise that the reason he attracted the attention of the police was because he had tried to help stop a fight. The police should have been thanking him, not choking him to death.
But never mind, should I learn that you've been choked to death for having the temerity to talk back to a policeman, I'll know you thought it acceptable.
King said:
said: I'll know you thought it acceptable.
I didn't say it was acceptable. My point has been a jury heard from 50 witnesses over several weeks and came to a conclusion based on vastly more information than we have. You may not like the decision from the information you have, but you have to consider how things may change when you have more information. paranoid airbag said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
Would any of that happened if he allowed himself to be cuffed ?
Who gives a fk?paranoid airbag said:
Why do you think it's his fking job? It isn't. He's not paid to do it.
No you are correct, it is not the suspected criminals 'job' to allow himself to be handcuffed, though in this case would it not have been preferable to the subsequent conclusion ? king job? It isn't. He's not paid to do it. paranoid airbag said:
The person paid to arrest someone using the minimum necessary force, given all the training and authority to do so, at the forced expense of society, is the person fking responsible for using the minimum necessary force.
Indeed, and had the suspect allowed himself to be handcuffed no force at all would have been necessary.king responsible for using the minimum necessary force.I am not saying there is no blame on the police, but the fact remains we are all responsible for our acts and omissions, and that includes the deceased in this case.
Eric Garner resisted arrest. Had he not no force would have been required - His responsibility
The video shows Garner swatting away the hands of the officer who tried to place him under arrest. Had he not he would not have been resisting arrest and no force would have been necessary - His responsibility.
He had an arrest record dating back to 1980, with more than 30 arrests, some of which were related to selling loose cigarettes. Had he learned a lesson from his previous arrests he would not have been in the position to be arrested this time - His responsibity
At the time of the fatal incident he was on bail from a previous arrest over selling loose cigarettes. See above
The “chokehold” used by officer which many view as the contributing factor to Garner’s death, didn’t actually kill him. However, the hold likely triggered and exacerbated several pre-existing health conditions suffered by Garner, including obesity, diabetes, asthma and heart disease. obesity, diabetes (type 2 maybe?) asthma, heart disease, how many of these were caused by the arresting officer and how many did Garner contribute to ?
Yet some see no personal responsibity, astounding.
The video shows Garner swatting away the hands of the officer who tried to place him under arrest. Had he not he would not have been resisting arrest and no force would have been necessary - His responsibility.
He had an arrest record dating back to 1980, with more than 30 arrests, some of which were related to selling loose cigarettes. Had he learned a lesson from his previous arrests he would not have been in the position to be arrested this time - His responsibity
At the time of the fatal incident he was on bail from a previous arrest over selling loose cigarettes. See above
The “chokehold” used by officer which many view as the contributing factor to Garner’s death, didn’t actually kill him. However, the hold likely triggered and exacerbated several pre-existing health conditions suffered by Garner, including obesity, diabetes, asthma and heart disease. obesity, diabetes (type 2 maybe?) asthma, heart disease, how many of these were caused by the arresting officer and how many did Garner contribute to ?
Yet some see no personal responsibity, astounding.
Corpulent Tosser said:
Eric Garner resisted arrest. Had he not no force would have been required - His responsibility
The video shows Garner swatting away the hands of the officer who tried to place him under arrest. Had he not he would not have been resisting arrest and no force would have been necessary - His responsibility.
He had an arrest record dating back to 1980, with more than 30 arrests, some of which were related to selling loose cigarettes. Had he learned a lesson from his previous arrests he would not have been in the position to be arrested this time - His responsibity
At the time of the fatal incident he was on bail from a previous arrest over selling loose cigarettes. See above
The “chokehold” used by officer which many view as the contributing factor to Garner’s death, didn’t actually kill him. However, the hold likely triggered and exacerbated several pre-existing health conditions suffered by Garner, including obesity, diabetes, asthma and heart disease. obesity, diabetes (type 2 maybe?) asthma, heart disease, how many of these were caused by the arresting officer and how many did Garner contribute to ?
Yet some see no personal responsibity, astounding.
You mean that it's ok for the police to kill you if you're disabled?The video shows Garner swatting away the hands of the officer who tried to place him under arrest. Had he not he would not have been resisting arrest and no force would have been necessary - His responsibility.
He had an arrest record dating back to 1980, with more than 30 arrests, some of which were related to selling loose cigarettes. Had he learned a lesson from his previous arrests he would not have been in the position to be arrested this time - His responsibity
At the time of the fatal incident he was on bail from a previous arrest over selling loose cigarettes. See above
The “chokehold” used by officer which many view as the contributing factor to Garner’s death, didn’t actually kill him. However, the hold likely triggered and exacerbated several pre-existing health conditions suffered by Garner, including obesity, diabetes, asthma and heart disease. obesity, diabetes (type 2 maybe?) asthma, heart disease, how many of these were caused by the arresting officer and how many did Garner contribute to ?
Yet some see no personal responsibity, astounding.
Corpulent Tosser said:
The “chokehold” used by officer which many view as the contributing factor to Garner’s death, didn’t actually kill him. However, the hold likely triggered and exacerbated several pre-existing health conditions suffered by Garner, blah blah...
Moving along...
Did I at any time say it was OK for the police to kill someone because they were disabled ?
No I didn't.
What I did say is that Garner's health is his own responsibity, if his health or lack of, contributed to his death then he played a part in his own death.
The same as his lack of cooperation with the arresting officers also played a part in his death.
There is something about personal responsibity that completely eludes you isn't there ?
No I didn't.
What I did say is that Garner's health is his own responsibity, if his health or lack of, contributed to his death then he played a part in his own death.
The same as his lack of cooperation with the arresting officers also played a part in his death.
There is something about personal responsibity that completely eludes you isn't there ?
scherzkeks said:
Corpulent Tosser said:
The “chokehold” used by officer which many view as the contributing factor to Garner’s death, didn’t actually kill him. However, the hold likely triggered and exacerbated several pre-existing health conditions suffered by Garner, blah blah...
Moving along...
And in the uk someone points a gun at police and doesn't get shot...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2870530/Te...
Albeit an air rifle..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2870530/Te...
Albeit an air rifle..
Fish said:
And in the uk someone points a gun at police and doesn't get shot...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2870530/Te...
Albeit an air rifle..
not sure that that makes us actually better than the sceptics or more foolishhttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2870530/Te...
Albeit an air rifle..
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