No charges for Missouri cop who shot unarmed teenager
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I know it may seem obvious but surely as part of this discussion / 
fest the country being talked about should be taken into consideration? Surely, in 'the land of the free', the country thats sets itself up as the exemplar of how all countries in the civilised should conduct themselves, the people employed to protect and serve should be less inclined to shoot the people they are protecting and serving?
Remember the stats - being a cop is not even in the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the country and the police shoot / kill more people than anywhere else in the western world (often seemingly without any consideration of how to handle the situation without using a gun).
This doesn't mean all cops are racist / trigger happy but it does highlight a massive problem that seems to be ignored / condoned by way too many people including a few on here.
fest the country being talked about should be taken into consideration? Surely, in 'the land of the free', the country thats sets itself up as the exemplar of how all countries in the civilised should conduct themselves, the people employed to protect and serve should be less inclined to shoot the people they are protecting and serving?Remember the stats - being a cop is not even in the top 10 most dangerous jobs in the country and the police shoot / kill more people than anywhere else in the western world (often seemingly without any consideration of how to handle the situation without using a gun).
This doesn't mean all cops are racist / trigger happy but it does highlight a massive problem that seems to be ignored / condoned by way too many people including a few on here.
Part of the problem here is that the police are not well paid and the academic requirements to join are not onerous. In fact you can be turned down for the police if your IQ is too high. So the your relatively poorly paid force is mainly made up of white, mainly male officers from non academic working / lower middle class backgrounds. Not a group predisposed to be socially liberal. You then give them an assortment of weapons and a lot of authority and send them out on the streets.
unrepentant said:
Part of the problem here is that the police are not well paid and the academic requirements to join are not onerous. In fact you can be turned down for the police if your IQ is too high. So the your relatively poorly paid force is mainly made up of white, mainly male officers from non academic working / lower middle class backgrounds. Not a group predisposed to be socially liberal. You then give them an assortment of weapons and a lot of authority and send them out on the streets.
Are you lampooning the left with this stuff? If so you're doing a cracking job 
supersingle said:
unrepentant said:
Part of the problem here is that the police are not well paid and the academic requirements to join are not onerous. In fact you can be turned down for the police if your IQ is too high. So the your relatively poorly paid force is mainly made up of white, mainly male officers from non academic working / lower middle class backgrounds. Not a group predisposed to be socially liberal. You then give them an assortment of weapons and a lot of authority and send them out on the streets.
Are you lampooning the left with this stuff? If so you're doing a cracking job He's probably referring to this:
http://www.mintpressnews.com/can-someone-be-too-sm...
Note that the accepted range for police officers still puts them into the above average IQ range, which rather deflates the argument.
Also worth noting that this is for a single police department in Connecticut (not Missouri or New York), and there is no evidence that other police departments follow this process.
http://www.mintpressnews.com/can-someone-be-too-sm...
Note that the accepted range for police officers still puts them into the above average IQ range, which rather deflates the argument.
Also worth noting that this is for a single police department in Connecticut (not Missouri or New York), and there is no evidence that other police departments follow this process.
Key Witness for Grand Jury revealed to be racist, lunatic bipolar nutter, with previous form for bullst -
http://gawker.com/darren-wilsons-key-witness-was-b...
"McElroy, again under oath, explained to grand jurors that she was something of an amateur urban anthropologist. Every couple of weeks, McElroy testified, she likes to "go into all the African-American neighborhoods." During these weekend sojourns—apparently conducted when her ex has the kids—McElroy said she will "go in and have coffee and I will strike up a conversation with an African-American and I will try to talk to them because I'm trying to understand more."
McElroy also brought a highly-touted journal with alleged entries penned in the days surrounding Michael Brown's killing. The entry dated Aug. 9 starts, "Well Im gonna take my random drive to Florisant. Need to understand the Black race better so I stop calling Blacks N1ggers and Start calling them People."
t - http://gawker.com/darren-wilsons-key-witness-was-b...
"McElroy, again under oath, explained to grand jurors that she was something of an amateur urban anthropologist. Every couple of weeks, McElroy testified, she likes to "go into all the African-American neighborhoods." During these weekend sojourns—apparently conducted when her ex has the kids—McElroy said she will "go in and have coffee and I will strike up a conversation with an African-American and I will try to talk to them because I'm trying to understand more."
McElroy also brought a highly-touted journal with alleged entries penned in the days surrounding Michael Brown's killing. The entry dated Aug. 9 starts, "Well Im gonna take my random drive to Florisant. Need to understand the Black race better so I stop calling Blacks N1ggers and Start calling them People."
Edited by krunchkin on Tuesday 16th December 16:07
Edited by krunchkin on Tuesday 16th December 16:07
NEW YORK — Two New York City police officers have died after being shot ambush-style in their parked patrol car Saturday.
An armed man walked up to the vehicle and opened fire before fleeing to a nearby subway station where he apparently committed suicide, police said.
The shooting happened around 3 p.m. in the Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood in Brooklyn at the corner of Myrtle and Tompkins avenues.
The officers died after being rushed to Woodhull Medical Center, City Councilman Robert Cornegy told reporters, according to CBS New York.
At least one of the officers was shot in the head, police said.
Charlie Hu, the manager of a nearby liquor store on the same corner where the incident happened told The New York Times he saw two police officers slouched over in their front seat of their patrol car.
A social worker on the subway platform when the gunman ran inside told the New York Post she feared for her life and the life of her unborn child.
"It looked like two cops came in there was lots of yelling and they said, 'Everybody get down,' said Carmen Jimenez, 32, who is eight months pregnant. "We tried to get out of there, and there was a lot of shouting, people were screaming, people were trying to run."
The shooting comes at a time when police are being heavily criticized for their tactics following the chokehold death of Eric Garner in New York. Several officers have been assaulted at New York City protests during demonstrations that have largely been peaceful.
An armed man walked up to the vehicle and opened fire before fleeing to a nearby subway station where he apparently committed suicide, police said.
The shooting happened around 3 p.m. in the Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood in Brooklyn at the corner of Myrtle and Tompkins avenues.
The officers died after being rushed to Woodhull Medical Center, City Councilman Robert Cornegy told reporters, according to CBS New York.
At least one of the officers was shot in the head, police said.
Charlie Hu, the manager of a nearby liquor store on the same corner where the incident happened told The New York Times he saw two police officers slouched over in their front seat of their patrol car.
A social worker on the subway platform when the gunman ran inside told the New York Post she feared for her life and the life of her unborn child.
"It looked like two cops came in there was lots of yelling and they said, 'Everybody get down,' said Carmen Jimenez, 32, who is eight months pregnant. "We tried to get out of there, and there was a lot of shouting, people were screaming, people were trying to run."
The shooting comes at a time when police are being heavily criticized for their tactics following the chokehold death of Eric Garner in New York. Several officers have been assaulted at New York City protests during demonstrations that have largely been peaceful.
Kaj91 said:
NEW YORK — Two New York City police officers have died after being shot ambush-style in their parked patrol car Saturday.
An armed man walked up to the vehicle and opened fire before fleeing to a nearby subway station where he apparently committed suicide, police said.
The shooting happened around 3 p.m. in the Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood in Brooklyn at the corner of Myrtle and Tompkins avenues.
The officers died after being rushed to Woodhull Medical Center, City Councilman Robert Cornegy told reporters, according to CBS New York.
At least one of the officers was shot in the head, police said.
Charlie Hu, the manager of a nearby liquor store on the same corner where the incident happened told The New York Times he saw two police officers slouched over in their front seat of their patrol car.
A social worker on the subway platform when the gunman ran inside told the New York Post she feared for her life and the life of her unborn child.
"It looked like two cops came in there was lots of yelling and they said, 'Everybody get down,' said Carmen Jimenez, 32, who is eight months pregnant. "We tried to get out of there, and there was a lot of shouting, people were screaming, people were trying to run."
The shooting comes at a time when police are being heavily criticized for their tactics following the chokehold death of Eric Garner in New York. Several officers have been assaulted at New York City protests during demonstrations that have largely been peaceful.
The shooter had Instagrams about killing cops. His name was Ishmael Brinsley, a gang member from Baltimore . He killed himself after also killing his girlfriend. Another large issue that will come from this will be criticism of NYC. Mayor DiBlasio. This Mayor has been the least supportive of the NYPD of any mayor in modern times. The Police Union has asked that the Mayor not attend the funerals of any cop killed in the line of duty. The NYC citizens LOVE the NYPD, therefore the Mayor is working hard on being a one termer. An armed man walked up to the vehicle and opened fire before fleeing to a nearby subway station where he apparently committed suicide, police said.
The shooting happened around 3 p.m. in the Bedford-Stuyvesant neighborhood in Brooklyn at the corner of Myrtle and Tompkins avenues.
The officers died after being rushed to Woodhull Medical Center, City Councilman Robert Cornegy told reporters, according to CBS New York.
At least one of the officers was shot in the head, police said.
Charlie Hu, the manager of a nearby liquor store on the same corner where the incident happened told The New York Times he saw two police officers slouched over in their front seat of their patrol car.
A social worker on the subway platform when the gunman ran inside told the New York Post she feared for her life and the life of her unborn child.
"It looked like two cops came in there was lots of yelling and they said, 'Everybody get down,' said Carmen Jimenez, 32, who is eight months pregnant. "We tried to get out of there, and there was a lot of shouting, people were screaming, people were trying to run."
The shooting comes at a time when police are being heavily criticized for their tactics following the chokehold death of Eric Garner in New York. Several officers have been assaulted at New York City protests during demonstrations that have largely been peaceful.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Sunday 21st December 00:37
unrepentant said:
This case has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject of this thread.
I dont think you can say that. As many posters on here have pointed out, the Police in the USA are gunned down in their hundreds in the line of duty. This HAS to be affecting how they approach violent or threatening or non cooperative felons, and must colour their view of situations where their personal well being is placed in jeopardy. I am not excusing abuses of power where they are determined to have happened, but equally I a not so naieve as to believe that the day to day experiences of officers will not have an affect on how officers respond. Once bitten twice shy?
unrepentant said:
This case has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject of this thread.
It does.The cop killer made a reference to Mike Brown and Eric Garner on social media before carrying out the killings although that doesnt mean he speaks for protesters or the families of both men tragically killed by police. Infact both families have distanced themselves from his actions.Being a police officer is a very dangerous job in a country where you can buy a gun in a supermarket but it should be noted that the last time an NYPD officer was killed on duty was in December 2011.
A very sad time for the families of these officers. It didnt have to come to this.
andymadmak said:
unrepentant said:
This case has nothing whatsoever to do with the subject of this thread.
I dont think you can say that. As many posters on here have pointed out, the Police in the USA are gunned down in their hundreds in the line of duty. This HAS to be affecting how they approach violent or threatening or non cooperative felons, and must colour their view of situations where their personal well being is placed in jeopardy. I am not excusing abuses of power where they are determined to have happened, but equally I a not so naieve as to believe that the day to day experiences of officers will not have an affect on how officers respond. Once bitten twice shy?
The unfortunate truth is that madmen will always try and justify their actions, be it Jerad Miller and his wife who killed 2 cops earlier in the year or this person who just shot his girlfriend and decided to go out in a to his deranged mind "blaze of glory" and I could quote you many other examples, non of which justify the evil actions of taking a life.
Big picture of this thread is that policing being dangerous doesn't excuse or justify the taking of innocent lives even if they are "scary" black young men.
babatunde said:
Big picture of this thread is that policing being dangerous doesn't excuse or justify the taking of innocent lives even if they are "scary" black young men.
and yet had Brown decided not to be a thug he'd still be alive, had Garner just put the damn cuffs on he'd still be alive. Did they deserve to die? In EG's case hell no, in MB's case it's a little less clear-cut. The inescapable fact remains however that had they been either law-abiding citizens or followed the cop's instructions they'd still be aliveirocfan said:
and yet had Brown decided not to be a thug he'd still be alive, had Garner just put the damn cuffs on he'd still be alive. Did they deserve to die? In EG's case hell no, in MB's case it's a little less clear-cut. The inescapable fact remains however that had they been either law-abiding citizens or followed the cop's instructions they'd still be alive
There are some who just refuse to accept that as fact.Akai Gurley was shot for absolutely no reason walking down the stairs. He was doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Oscar Grant was shot in the back whilst restrained face down by 2 officers on a train station platform. He was doing nothing wrong.
Amadou Diallo was shot 42 times standing in the doorway to his own apartment doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Margie Carranza and her 71-year-old mother Emma Hernandez were shot at 102 times by the police during the hunt for cop killer Chris Dorner. They were doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Aiyana Jones, 7 was killed in her own home. She was doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Few examples out of hundreds possibly thousands of cases. In America, you dont have to be doing anything wrong to get shot by police.
Oscar Grant was shot in the back whilst restrained face down by 2 officers on a train station platform. He was doing nothing wrong.
Amadou Diallo was shot 42 times standing in the doorway to his own apartment doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Margie Carranza and her 71-year-old mother Emma Hernandez were shot at 102 times by the police during the hunt for cop killer Chris Dorner. They were doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Aiyana Jones, 7 was killed in her own home. She was doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Few examples out of hundreds possibly thousands of cases. In America, you dont have to be doing anything wrong to get shot by police.
irocfan said:
yes - and no-one ever said the police are perfect, in many cases they are so far from perfect it's not even funny however they are still better than the alternative
They could work on being more perfect. British police are a very good example. Every shooting is investigated in minute detail to make sure firstly that the shooting was justified but also even if it was justified how could it be avoided in the future. Result carnage in the USA whilst UK deaths as a result of police action are very few and far between.
Tannedbaldhead said:
irocfan said:
yes - and no-one ever said the police are perfect, in many cases they are so far from perfect it's not even funny however they are still better than the alternative
They could work on being more perfect. British police are a very good example. Every shooting is investigated in minute detail to make sure firstly that the shooting was justified but also even if it was justified how could it be avoided in the future. Result carnage in the USA whilst UK deaths as a result of police action are very few and far between.
Eclassy said:
Akai Gurley was shot for absolutely no reason walking down the stairs. He was doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Oscar Grant was shot in the back whilst restrained face down by 2 officers on a train station platform. He was doing nothing wrong.
Amadou Diallo was shot 42 times standing in the doorway to his own apartment doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Margie Carranza and her 71-year-old mother Emma Hernandez were shot at 102 times by the police during the hunt for cop killer Chris Dorner. They were doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Aiyana Jones, 7 was killed in her own home. She was doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Few examples out of hundreds possibly thousands of cases. In America, you dont have to be doing anything wrong to get shot by police.
There are some who refuse to accept this as fact.Oscar Grant was shot in the back whilst restrained face down by 2 officers on a train station platform. He was doing nothing wrong.
Amadou Diallo was shot 42 times standing in the doorway to his own apartment doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Margie Carranza and her 71-year-old mother Emma Hernandez were shot at 102 times by the police during the hunt for cop killer Chris Dorner. They were doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Aiyana Jones, 7 was killed in her own home. She was doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Few examples out of hundreds possibly thousands of cases. In America, you dont have to be doing anything wrong to get shot by police.
Here's another fact some refuse to accept: in the US, the police aren't the only ones who shoot if you piss them off.
In fact, every single f
king time guns are brought up, this is brought up as the exact fking reason for the 2nd to exist. (And one of the few I can sort of understand - although it's interesting to speculate the link between the far lower rate of police killings here and the fact that "I thought he was going for his gun" is not a credible excuse most of the time)And people are f
king crying now?Morons.
Edited by paranoid airbag on Sunday 21st December 17:04
Eclassy said:
Akai Gurley was shot for absolutely no reason walking down the stairs. He was doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Oscar Grant was shot in the back whilst restrained face down by 2 officers on a train station platform. He was doing nothing wrong.
Amadou Diallo was shot 42 times standing in the doorway to his own apartment doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Margie Carranza and her 71-year-old mother Emma Hernandez were shot at 102 times by the police during the hunt for cop killer Chris Dorner. They were doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Aiyana Jones, 7 was killed in her own home. She was doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Few examples out of hundreds possibly thousands of cases. In America, you dont have to be doing anything wrong to get shot by police.
You forgot John Crawford. Picks up toy gun in a Walmart, walks around with said gun looking at other product........swat team turns up and shoots him. Oscar Grant was shot in the back whilst restrained face down by 2 officers on a train station platform. He was doing nothing wrong.
Amadou Diallo was shot 42 times standing in the doorway to his own apartment doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Margie Carranza and her 71-year-old mother Emma Hernandez were shot at 102 times by the police during the hunt for cop killer Chris Dorner. They were doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Aiyana Jones, 7 was killed in her own home. She was doing absolutely nothing wrong.
Few examples out of hundreds possibly thousands of cases. In America, you dont have to be doing anything wrong to get shot by police.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2014/sep/25...
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