No charges for Missouri cop who shot unarmed teenager

[Jimbeaux]

Fittster said:

spaximus said:

Now the big question is why are blacks so prone to this sort of incident?

Being shot by white police officers while they are unarmed and have their hands up?

Evidence shows he was shot while in the cop's front seat, beating the crap out of him, but don't let facts slow you down, go loot something.

[Jimbeaux]

krunchkin said:

Fittster said:

krunchkin said:

Rudy Giuliani talking sense on c4 news. Blacks kill more blacks than any racist white cops do.

So as long as white policemen kill less blacks than other black people do everything is fine.

???

Really?

[pete a]

Jimbeaux said:

You see, that hand wringing thought process, regarding what amounts to nothing more than an overbloated PC talking point, is why society is too busy chasing its own tail as opposed to getting on with life and real progress.
The next time I am referred to as "White" as opposed to "European American", I will drive my Jag down to the urban community center and throw a Waterford goblet through the window and peel off in an unseemly manner. We can all play this game.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 25th November 16:12

That's very good, real laugh out loud.....

[unrepentant]

fblm said:

unrepentant said:

fblm said:

unrepentant said:

Short answer yes. Long answer also yes.

As the son of a tory MP I'll hazard a guess that you're white. Why don't you find a white cop 70lbs lighter than you, punch her in the head a couple of times, try and wrestle her gun off her and let us know how it goes.

You're the son of a tory MP and that helps your guesswork?

Very clever. My illiteracy aside, you fail to distract from the fact that you know you would almost certainly also be shot despite, probably, being white.

I still don't understand what you being the son of a tory MP has to do with anything?

[Lincsblokey]

unrepentant said:

spaximus said:

Now the big question is why are blacks so prone to this sort of incident? Is it because the police are racist?

Short answer yes. Long answer also yes.

Even shorter answers, No & No

[Andehh]

On phone so can't copy and paste the chunks people have pulled out of the actual released evidence but this is WELL worth a flick through to see the bits "of interest" people have copied out....

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/2nbuxe...

[Fittster]

Jimbeaux said:

Fittster said:

spaximus said:

Now the big question is why are blacks so prone to this sort of incident?

Being shot by white police officers while they are unarmed and have their hands up?

Evidence shows he was shot while in the cop's front seat, beating the crap out of him, but don't let facts slow you down, go loot something.

No it doesn't but you believe what version of the facts suit your world view.

Nothing much is going to change for another 30 years or so when I suspect most people on this thread won't care.

[Andehh]

From my last post with the link to reddit.....

[–]riversdialect 165 points 14 hours ago
any entries of particular importance or interest here?


[–]arcticfox626 271 points 6 hours ago
The transcript from Witness 10 is particularly interesting. It appears this person actually saw the event, rather than hearsay;

A short excerpt: "Roughly I wanna say 8:40, I mean not 8:40, 11:40-11:40 is when that-when I first seen these two guys. And, my initial thought was, "wow, that's a big dude." Because Mr. Brown, Mike Brown, my initial thought was he's a big guy. He's tall and like stocky build and that's it. He-he, they both walked passed me. I took my tools, went into I came back outside to get some more stuff and I looked down the street and I seen the police car at a slant and I seen Mr. Brown in the window of the police car looked ...it appeared as they were wrestling through the window and one gunshot had let off. And, Mr. Brown took off running and my first thought was like "oh my gosh" did I actually just witness a police officer being murdered because it took a while for the police officer to get out of the car and pursue the-the suspect. And, I wanna say maybe six seconds, but it seemed like it was forever after the-the-the first gunshot. So, the police officer exited the vehicle with his weapon drawn pursuing Mr. Brown. Mr. Brown was quite a distance and he stopped and when he stopped, he didn't get down on the ground or anything. He turned around and he did some type of movement. I never seen him put his hands up or anything. I can't recall the movement that he did. I'm not sure if he pulled his pants up or-or whatever he did but I seen some type of movement and he started charging towards the police officer. The police officer then returned fire, well, not returned fire, open fire on Mr. Brown. Um, if I had to guess the shots and the-the distance between him and, a, Mr. Brown, it would have to be five to ten yards and the shots that were fired was four, five to six shots fired and Mr.
Brown was still standing up. Um, and my thoughts was while he's missing this guy this close, is he-is he hitting him or because Mr. Brown there was no reaction from him to show that he was been hit. Um, after that, Mr. Brown then paused. He-he-he stopped running and when he stopped running the police officer stopped firing. And, then Mr. Brown continued, started again to charge towards him and after that the police officer returned fire and um well not returned, I'm using wrong ...a started to fire once more at him. Um, if I had to guess the rounds that were fired then it would be four to five more shots and after that Mr. Brown collapsed and fell to the ground."
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[–]geek180 124 points 5 hours ago*
And this testimony corroborates with the audio evidence of the shooting as well as the forensic evidence from the scene.
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[anonymous-user]

unrepentant said:

fblm said:

unrepentant said:

fblm said:

unrepentant said:

Short answer yes. Long answer also yes.

I'll hazard a guess that as the son of a tory MP you're white. Why don't you find a white cop 70lbs lighter than you, punch her in the head a couple of times, try and wrestle her gun off her and let us know how it goes.

You're the son of a tory MP and that helps your guesswork?

Very clever. My illiteracy aside, you fail to distract from the fact that you know you would almost certainly also be shot despite, probably, being white.

I still don't understand what you being the son of a tory MP has to do with anything?

Tedious. I've rephrased my comment to help you with your understanding. One thing I can guarantee you is that no one in my family has ever been in the Tory party!

Its understandable that you would rather discuss my poor grammar than what would happen to you in the event you attacked a cop.

Edited by anonymous-user on Tuesday 25th November 22:05

[spaximus]

Andehh said:

From my last post with the link to reddit.....

[â?“]riversdialect 165 points 14 hours ago
any entries of particular importance or interest here?


[â?“]arcticfox626 271 points 6 hours ago
The transcript from Witness 10 is particularly interesting. It appears this person actually saw the event, rather than hearsay;

A short excerpt: "Roughly I wanna say 8:40, I mean not 8:40, 11:40-11:40 is when that-when I first seen these two guys. And, my initial thought was, "wow, that's a big dude." Because Mr. Brown, Mike Brown, my initial thought was he's a big guy. He's tall and like stocky build and that's it. He-he, they both walked passed me. I took my tools, went into I came back outside to get some more stuff and I looked down the street and I seen the police car at a slant and I seen Mr. Brown in the window of the police car looked ...it appeared as they were wrestling through the window and one gunshot had let off. And, Mr. Brown took off running and my first thought was like "oh my gosh" did I actually just witness a police officer being murdered because it took a while for the police officer to get out of the car and pursue the-the suspect. And, I wanna say maybe six seconds, but it seemed like it was forever after the-the-the first gunshot. So, the police officer exited the vehicle with his weapon drawn pursuing Mr. Brown. Mr. Brown was quite a distance and he stopped and when he stopped, he didn't get down on the ground or anything. He turned around and he did some type of movement. I never seen him put his hands up or anything. I can't recall the movement that he did. I'm not sure if he pulled his pants up or-or whatever he did but I seen some type of movement and he started charging towards the police officer. The police officer then returned fire, well, not returned fire, open fire on Mr. Brown. Um, if I had to guess the shots and the-the distance between him and, a, Mr. Brown, it would have to be five to ten yards and the shots that were fired was four, five to six shots fired and Mr.
Brown was still standing up. Um, and my thoughts was while he's missing this guy this close, is he-is he hitting him or because Mr. Brown there was no reaction from him to show that he was been hit. Um, after that, Mr. Brown then paused. He-he-he stopped running and when he stopped running the police officer stopped firing. And, then Mr. Brown continued, started again to charge towards him and after that the police officer returned fire and um well not returned, I'm using wrong ...a started to fire once more at him. Um, if I had to guess the rounds that were fired then it would be four to five more shots and after that Mr. Brown collapsed and fell to the ground."
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[â?“]geek180 124 points 5 hours ago*
And this testimony corroborates with the audio evidence of the shooting as well as the forensic evidence from the scene.
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I cannot believe some people on here. This one witness statement would be enough for most people to see that he was shot with just cause.

Further down there was another witness who claimed to have seen the officer stood over Brown and execute him with a headshot whilst he had his hands in the air. Even when the forensic evidence supported the account of witness 10, this witness refused to stop telling lies.

I have no doubt that had there been the slightest doubt the officer would have faced charges, They knew that if he was not charged they would have a riot on their hands so would need to have strong evidence to not charge him.

It seems to me there are people on both sides of the pond who ignore facts and like to continue the anti establishment crap they spout. If this had been a white guy who was shot, there would be no riots, no Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton there would be the view of another bad guy gone, nothing else. But because he was black he was a victim, no it was because he was a criminal

[Matt Harper]

unrepentant said:

Obviously it was a bit of a generalization Matt....

I have a number of black friends - smart, successful people and I know that if I spent a day or a week or a month in their skin I would feel differently about the police than I do as a white person.

... and that cuts both ways - I have a lot of friends (and a daughter) who are cops, likewise, intelligent and dedicated people who have to deal with some vile monsters in the course of their work. A lot of those nasty people are black - a lot hispanic and a lot white. Most cops are not racist - our Sheriff is African American (he's an asshole politician rather than a cop's Sheriff, but thats a different tale). Statistically, they are more likely to be assaulted by young adult black males than other ethnicities - purely based on historical data.
Now it could be that young black men deal with their perception of racist law enforcement by assaulting cops - or it could be something else.

[anonymous-user]

paranoid airbag said:

So no, they don't need to consent, they haven't consented, and they're going around with guns not consenting. Which, AFAICT, is *precisely* how the 2nd amendment should work - if they yield, it's not because the government has overwhelming force (though clearly, they still do), but because they actually need said government.

Those 'not consenting' are a statistical minority given the population size of America. The mass majority who are, by omitting to riot and loot, consenting to the justice process.

[Nickyboy]

Why is they always complain about being treated as trash yet continue to do things like this?

Black people always complain about living in ghettos and having menial jobs etc etc yet everything last night shows exactly why, don't get the answer they wanted then burn and loot their own town, making more people unemployed and therefore driving them further into poverty.

From what i understood of the report, a 300lb guy punched the cop then tried to grab his gun before running and turning towards the cop while reaching into his waistband. Seems prime reason to be shot in America, As someone else said, bodycams must be the way forward.

[dudleybloke]

[GavinPearson]

toohuge said:

unrepentant said:

Obviously it was a bit of a generalization Matt....

I have a number of black friends - smart, successful people and I know that if I spent a day or a week or a month in their skin I would feel differently about the police than I do as a white person.

Would you care to elaborate?

I live in Atlanta and the police are universally aholes and in fact, don't seem to make much distinction between race, everyone is treated with the same lack of respect, arrogance and assumption of guilt.

And you also know that they have no compunction about shooting you if you mess with them, regardless of what color you or they are. It's just the way it is....

[AreOut]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

also

My favorite part so far:

Q: Do you do any further testing?
A: I do a modified Duquenois-Levine test.
Q: Can you spell that for the court reporter?
A: Modified?

[Muntu]

unrepentant said:

Obviously it was a bit of a generalization Matt....

I have a number of black friends - smart, successful people and I know that if I spent a day or a week or a month in their skin I would feel differently about the police than I do as a white person.

I am black. I find the actions and behaviour of the Ferguson residents a fking embarrassment. Perhaps if they worked harder in school, they wouldn't find themselves (1) Running at and attacking policemen and getting shot, or (2), Participating in riots

[babatunde]

Fittster said:

krunchkin said:

Rudy Giuliani talking sense on c4 news. Blacks kill more blacks than any racist white cops do.

So as long as white policemen kill less blacks than other black people do everything is fine.

Giuliani is an idiot, More whites kill whites than cops, how is that relevant

[AJS-]

babatunde said:

Giuliani is an idiot, More whites kill whites than cops, how is that relevant

Perhaps because "whites" don't cry racist and wreck the place if a white person is killed in the process of committing a crime?

[RemyMartin]

Muntu said:

unrepentant said:

Obviously it was a bit of a generalization Matt....

I have a number of black friends - smart, successful people and I know that if I spent a day or a week or a month in their skin I would feel differently about the police than I do as a white person.

I am black. I find the actions and behaviour of the Ferguson residents a fking embarrassment. Perhaps if they worked harder in school, they wouldn't find themselves (1) Running at and attacking policemen and getting shot, or (2), Participating in riots

+1

Total non story for me. I wont lose any sleep that black or white people are being shot whilst commiting crime in a country where the police carry guns, and are known to fire if you take the piss.