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Hoofy said:
I'm a bit short of cash at the moment but I think I follow your idea.
TBH, from what I am told, any dog is a deterrent. Even if you can't afford proper Warpigs.http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/run-your-l...
Sheepshanks said:
Matt Harper said:
My counter to that would be - look at the original video - now that really is delightful.
How many people in the US have the gun taken off them and are then killed by their own gun?And how many people are accidentally killed by a family members' gun?
Q2. Loads
Soov535 said:
Esseesse said:
creampuff said:
Soov535 said:
Very sensible.
Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe
Then getting the ammo out of the other safe Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe
Soov535 said:
LordHaveMurci said:
Esseesse said:
creampuff said:
Soov535 said:
Very sensible.
Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe
Then getting the ammo out of the other safe Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe
Esseesse said:
Soov535 said:
LordHaveMurci said:
Esseesse said:
creampuff said:
Soov535 said:
Very sensible.
Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe
Then getting the ammo out of the other safe Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe
Esseesse said:
Soov535 said:
LordHaveMurci said:
Esseesse said:
creampuff said:
Soov535 said:
Very sensible.
Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe
Then getting the ammo out of the other safe Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe
They locks vary but the cheaper ones have a clunky double sided key. It's not easy to open the safe quietly.
Matt Harper said:
Q1. Not many - you see, the home invaders have their own guns - that's my point, silly.
Q2. Loads
I appreciate that you're stuck with it, but I really don't want that here, thanks. Q2. Loads
Do people in the US not realise it's gone too far the solution proposed for stopping school shootings is to have armed guards at schools?
Eleven said:
Esseesse said:
Soov535 said:
LordHaveMurci said:
Esseesse said:
creampuff said:
Soov535 said:
Very sensible.
Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe
Then getting the ammo out of the other safe Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe
They locks vary but the cheaper ones have a clunky double sided key. It's not easy to open the safe quietly.
In the UK you keep long guns for hunting/sport-shooting and that's why they're secured as they are required to be. Over here, as we all know, the mindset is a little different - the VAST majority of shotguns are employed not to bag a brace of game birds or to vaporize brightly colored ceramic discs - they are utilized as home defense weapons (particularly the large capacity tactical pump varieties like my Remington 870).
I would anticipate that UK gun owners get to shoot their weapons far more frequently than their US counterparts - even if it means donning tweed to do so.
The reality is that your common or garden British home invader is far, far less likely to be armed with a gun than his US contemporary - and as a result, wrestling with the locks on your gun safe should, in theory, be less of a point of tension.
I also think that home invasion is a crime that is really quite rare both in the UK and US - statistically most US home-invasions are criminal on criminal crimes and as a result, I care very little about the outcomes.
I looked back at the video on page #1. The tool they used to breach the door looks absolutely purpose-made for that task and is identical to the device used by my daughters police agency to gain entry - they affectionately refer to it as "the spare key". I wonder if they nicked that too?
Edited by Matt Harper on Tuesday 25th November 18:27
Sheepshanks said:
I appreciate that you're stuck with it, but I really don't want that here, thanks.
Do people in the US not realise it's gone too far the solution proposed for stopping school shootings is to have armed guards at schools?
I respect your position. I don't agree with it, but I respect your view. If the law afforded you the opportunity to defend yourself against people who had smashed their way into your home - where you have EVERY right to feel secure, with the intention of terrorizing you into giving-up your possessions (or much, much worse), why would you not take advantage of that opportunity?Do people in the US not realise it's gone too far the solution proposed for stopping school shootings is to have armed guards at schools?
In response to your question, you kind of answered it in your opening comment. Much as I loathe the term, it is what it is. The toothpaste doesn't easily go back into the tube.
I don't lie awake fretting about the possibility of a home invasion - it's very unlikely - but if the unlikely should occur, I don't want my only option to be begging for my life.
Matt Harper said:
Eleven said:
Esseesse said:
Soov535 said:
LordHaveMurci said:
Esseesse said:
creampuff said:
Soov535 said:
Very sensible.
Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe
Then getting the ammo out of the other safe Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe
They locks vary but the cheaper ones have a clunky double sided key. It's not easy to open the safe quietly.
In the UK you keep long guns for hunting/sport-shooting and that's why their secured as they are required to be. Over here, as we all know, the mindset is a little different - the VAST majority of shotguns are employed not to bag a brace of game birds or to vaporize brightly colored ceramic discs - they are utilized as home defense weapons (particularly the large capacity tactical pump varieties like my Remington 870).
I would anticipate that UK gun owners get to shoot their weapons far more frequently than their US counterparts - even if it means donning tweed to do so.
The reality is that your common or garden British home invader is far, far less likely to be armed with a gun than his US contemporary - and as a result, wrestling with the locks on your gun safe should, in theory, be less of a point of tension.
I also think that home invasion is a crime that is really quite rare both in the UK and US - statistically most US home-invasions are criminal on criminal crimes and as a result, I care very little about the outcomes.
I looked back at the video on page #1. The tool they used to breach the door looks absolutely purpose-made for that task and is identical to the device used by my daughters police agency to gain entry - they affectionately refer to it as "the spare key". I wonder if they nicked that too?
Digga said:
stuttgartmetal said:
I 'hear' the best plan is to have two sets - a noisy one and a stealthy one. One diverts attention, whilst the other lines up for attack, like Velociraptors.Spaniel is a noisy bh but not much in a fist fight...
The Lab... Soft as you like, would lick you into drowning if you were sat on the sofa and he had his own way.... You try and walk into the house without being introduced... Not a friendly dog, not in the slightest! A natural protector he certainly is... Case in point, Mrs H got approached by a couple of youths about 3 months ago out walking him, happy and larking about the dumb ass hat was jnr H throwing sticks and dumb ass chasing them... Mrs H asked one of them not to swear as jnr H was present... He went to get in her face to give it large... Cue soft git, hanches up, snarling like Conan Doyles finest and said youth wanders off with his tail between his legs. Soft git goes back to playing and larking about with the family.
Matt Harper said:
superkartracer said:
What a delightful place to live... a shotgun ready by the door
What a bunch.
My counter to that would be - look at the original video - now that really is delightful. Being able to deter would-be nocturnal visitors by way of the very real chance that they could get their thieving heads blown-off, is better insurance than hand-wringing, as your door gets smashed-in and your home and possibly family are violated. What a bunch.
I don't regret not being forced to be a victim.
My firearms are locked in a safe.
Sheepshanks said:
I appreciate that you're stuck with it, but I really don't want that here, thanks.
Do people in the US not realise it's gone too far the solution proposed for stopping school shootings is to have armed guards at schools?
I understand that nearly all school shootings in the US have been performed by someone on an anti-depressants, or who has recently come off an anti-depressant type drugs (and the few that were not, were undisclosed... i.e. not certainly not on them).Do people in the US not realise it's gone too far the solution proposed for stopping school shootings is to have armed guards at schools?
superkartracer said:
Yes but...the goons in the vid are armed with a paper suit and little knifes, your *goon* simply blows you away then enters ya house... cuz ya ALL have guns like that placed next to the door ( pi nk ones for the little school guys and such ).
My firearms are locked in a safe.
I'm not sure I follow you. Are you suggesting that the home invaders dispatch the victims prior to smashing their way in? What is this crazy-talk?My firearms are locked in a safe.
Matt Harper said:
Eleven said:
Esseesse said:
Soov535 said:
LordHaveMurci said:
Esseesse said:
creampuff said:
Soov535 said:
Very sensible.
Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe
Then getting the ammo out of the other safe Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe
They locks vary but the cheaper ones have a clunky double sided key. It's not easy to open the safe quietly.
In the UK you keep long guns for hunting/sport-shooting and that's why they're secured as they are required to be. Over here, as we all know, the mindset is a little different - the VAST majority of shotguns are employed not to bag a brace of game birds or to vaporize brightly colored ceramic discs - they are utilized as home defense weapons (particularly the large capacity tactical pump varieties like my Remington 870).
I would anticipate that UK gun owners get to shoot their weapons far more frequently than their US counterparts - even if it means donning tweed to do so.
The reality is that your common or garden British home invader is far, far less likely to be armed with a gun than his US contemporary - and as a result, wrestling with the locks on your gun safe should, in theory, be less of a point of tension.
I also think that home invasion is a crime that is really quite rare both in the UK and US - statistically most US home-invasions are criminal on criminal crimes and as a result, I care very little about the outcomes.
I looked back at the video on page #1. The tool they used to breach the door looks absolutely purpose-made for that task and is identical to the device used by my daughters police agency to gain entry - they affectionately refer to it as "the spare key". I wonder if they nicked that too?
Edited by Matt Harper on Tuesday 25th November 18:27
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