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Digga

40,204 posts

282 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Hoofy said:
I'm a bit short of cash at the moment but I think I follow your idea.
TBH, from what I am told, any dog is a deterrent. Even if you can't afford proper Warpigs.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/run-your-l...

Matt Harper

6,613 posts

200 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Sheepshanks said:
Matt Harper said:
My counter to that would be - look at the original video - now that really is delightful.
How many people in the US have the gun taken off them and are then killed by their own gun?

And how many people are accidentally killed by a family members' gun?
Q1. Not many - you see, the home invaders have their own guns - that's my point, silly.

Q2. Loads

Mr Trophy

6,808 posts

202 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Soov535 said:
Esseesse said:
creampuff said:
Soov535 said:
Very sensible.

Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe hehe
Then getting the ammo out of the other safe wink
I knew about the safe, but didn't know about a separate one for the ammo.
Not needed.
Thank god. I nearly had a panic, mine is not locked up (Ammo).

Matt Harper

6,613 posts

200 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Lost soul said:
I believe home invasion carry's some pretty harsh penalty's in the US
It does - shortness of breath due to lead poisoning, being one of them.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Soov535 said:
LordHaveMurci said:
Esseesse said:
creampuff said:
Soov535 said:
Very sensible.

Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe hehe
Then getting the ammo out of the other safe wink
I knew about the safe, but didn't know about a separate one for the ammo.
Not required for shotguns. Not that it matters, you still wouldn't get your 12 bore out quick enough anyway.
Trust me I would!!!
Where are safes typically located (i.e. how easy is quick access) and what kind of lock is typically on it?

Soov535

35,829 posts

270 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Esseesse said:
Soov535 said:
LordHaveMurci said:
Esseesse said:
creampuff said:
Soov535 said:
Very sensible.

Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe hehe
Then getting the ammo out of the other safe wink
I knew about the safe, but didn't know about a separate one for the ammo.
Not required for shotguns. Not that it matters, you still wouldn't get your 12 bore out quick enough anyway.
Trust me I would!!!
Where are safes typically located (i.e. how easy is quick access) and what kind of lock is typically on it?
Mine is in the main bedroom where wife and I sleep. One key, on keyring.


Eleven

26,271 posts

221 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Esseesse said:
Soov535 said:
LordHaveMurci said:
Esseesse said:
creampuff said:
Soov535 said:
Very sensible.

Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe hehe
Then getting the ammo out of the other safe wink
I knew about the safe, but didn't know about a separate one for the ammo.
Not required for shotguns. Not that it matters, you still wouldn't get your 12 bore out quick enough anyway.
Trust me I would!!!
Where are safes typically located (i.e. how easy is quick access) and what kind of lock is typically on it?
Somewhere out the way as a rule. Bedroom, loft, under stairs cupboard.

They locks vary but the cheaper ones have a clunky double sided key. It's not easy to open the safe quietly.




Sheepshanks

32,519 posts

118 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Matt Harper said:
Q1. Not many - you see, the home invaders have their own guns - that's my point, silly.

Q2. Loads
I appreciate that you're stuck with it, but I really don't want that here, thanks.

Do people in the US not realise it's gone too far the solution proposed for stopping school shootings is to have armed guards at schools?

Matt Harper

6,613 posts

200 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Eleven said:
Esseesse said:
Soov535 said:
LordHaveMurci said:
Esseesse said:
creampuff said:
Soov535 said:
Very sensible.

Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe hehe
Then getting the ammo out of the other safe wink
I knew about the safe, but didn't know about a separate one for the ammo.
Not required for shotguns. Not that it matters, you still wouldn't get your 12 bore out quick enough anyway.
Trust me I would!!!
Where are safes typically located (i.e. how easy is quick access) and what kind of lock is typically on it?
Somewhere out the way as a rule. Bedroom, loft, under stairs cupboard.

They locks vary but the cheaper ones have a clunky double sided key. It's not easy to open the safe quietly.
Key to all of this (see what I did there?) is that the supposed motivation for having a firearm in the home is fundamentally different in the UK, compared to the US, in the majority of cases.

In the UK you keep long guns for hunting/sport-shooting and that's why they're secured as they are required to be. Over here, as we all know, the mindset is a little different - the VAST majority of shotguns are employed not to bag a brace of game birds or to vaporize brightly colored ceramic discs - they are utilized as home defense weapons (particularly the large capacity tactical pump varieties like my Remington 870).

I would anticipate that UK gun owners get to shoot their weapons far more frequently than their US counterparts - even if it means donning tweed to do so.
The reality is that your common or garden British home invader is far, far less likely to be armed with a gun than his US contemporary - and as a result, wrestling with the locks on your gun safe should, in theory, be less of a point of tension.

I also think that home invasion is a crime that is really quite rare both in the UK and US - statistically most US home-invasions are criminal on criminal crimes and as a result, I care very little about the outcomes.

I looked back at the video on page #1. The tool they used to breach the door looks absolutely purpose-made for that task and is identical to the device used by my daughters police agency to gain entry - they affectionately refer to it as "the spare key". I wonder if they nicked that too?

Edited by Matt Harper on Tuesday 25th November 18:27

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Dog Star said:
What the hell are you meant to do against that sort of thing?
A brace of attack nuns.

I keep mine in the cellar.

Matt Harper

6,613 posts

200 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Sheepshanks said:
I appreciate that you're stuck with it, but I really don't want that here, thanks.

Do people in the US not realise it's gone too far the solution proposed for stopping school shootings is to have armed guards at schools?
I respect your position. I don't agree with it, but I respect your view. If the law afforded you the opportunity to defend yourself against people who had smashed their way into your home - where you have EVERY right to feel secure, with the intention of terrorizing you into giving-up your possessions (or much, much worse), why would you not take advantage of that opportunity?

In response to your question, you kind of answered it in your opening comment. Much as I loathe the term, it is what it is. The toothpaste doesn't easily go back into the tube.

I don't lie awake fretting about the possibility of a home invasion - it's very unlikely - but if the unlikely should occur, I don't want my only option to be begging for my life.

Eleven

26,271 posts

221 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Matt Harper said:
Eleven said:
Esseesse said:
Soov535 said:
LordHaveMurci said:
Esseesse said:
creampuff said:
Soov535 said:
Very sensible.

Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe hehe
Then getting the ammo out of the other safe wink
I knew about the safe, but didn't know about a separate one for the ammo.
Not required for shotguns. Not that it matters, you still wouldn't get your 12 bore out quick enough anyway.
Trust me I would!!!
Where are safes typically located (i.e. how easy is quick access) and what kind of lock is typically on it?
Somewhere out the way as a rule. Bedroom, loft, under stairs cupboard.

They locks vary but the cheaper ones have a clunky double sided key. It's not easy to open the safe quietly.
Key to all of this (see what I did there?) is that the supposed motivation for having a firearm in the home is fundamentally different in the UK, compared to the US, in the majority of cases.

In the UK you keep long guns for hunting/sport-shooting and that's why their secured as they are required to be. Over here, as we all know, the mindset is a little different - the VAST majority of shotguns are employed not to bag a brace of game birds or to vaporize brightly colored ceramic discs - they are utilized as home defense weapons (particularly the large capacity tactical pump varieties like my Remington 870).

I would anticipate that UK gun owners get to shoot their weapons far more frequently than their US counterparts - even if it means donning tweed to do so.
The reality is that your common or garden British home invader is far, far less likely to be armed with a gun than his US contemporary - and as a result, wrestling with the locks on your gun safe should, in theory, be less of a point of tension.

I also think that home invasion is a crime that is really quite rare both in the UK and US - statistically most US home-invasions are criminal on criminal crimes and as a result, I care very little about the outcomes.

I looked back at the video on page #1. The tool they used to breach the door looks absolutely purpose-made for that task and is identical to the device used by my daughters police agency to gain entry - they affectionately refer to it as "the spare key". I wonder if they nicked that too?
I imagine Plod prefers shotguns not to be easily accessible to their owners. If it were too easy to bring the gun out in the event of an intrusion someone might get shot. That might be the intruder(s) or the householder with his own gun, but either way they'd prefer no one got shot I suspect.





heppers75

3,135 posts

216 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Digga said:
stuttgartmetal said:
Get yourself some furry molegrips

hehe I 'hear' the best plan is to have two sets - a noisy one and a stealthy one. One diverts attention, whilst the other lines up for attack, like Velociraptors.
That is what we have...

Spaniel is a noisy bh but not much in a fist fight...

The Lab... Soft as you like, would lick you into drowning if you were sat on the sofa and he had his own way.... You try and walk into the house without being introduced... Not a friendly dog, not in the slightest! A natural protector he certainly is... Case in point, Mrs H got approached by a couple of youths about 3 months ago out walking him, happy and larking about the dumb ass hat was jnr H throwing sticks and dumb ass chasing them... Mrs H asked one of them not to swear as jnr H was present... He went to get in her face to give it large... Cue soft git, hanches up, snarling like Conan Doyles finest and said youth wanders off with his tail between his legs. Soft git goes back to playing and larking about with the family.

shep1001

4,599 posts

188 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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stuttgartmetal said:
Get yourself some furry molegrips

Stolen for use in future.... 'Furry mole grips' laugh

Edited by shep1001 on Tuesday 25th November 19:54

rovermorris999

5,195 posts

188 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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skyrover said:
Thanks for the slur...

My first hand experiance of the USA was a massive amount of very safe areas and a small amount of very unsafe ones.
Much like here then.

superkartracer

Original Poster:

8,959 posts

221 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Matt Harper said:
superkartracer said:
What a delightful place to live... a shotgun ready by the door hehe

What a bunch.
My counter to that would be - look at the original video - now that really is delightful. Being able to deter would-be nocturnal visitors by way of the very real chance that they could get their thieving heads blown-off, is better insurance than hand-wringing, as your door gets smashed-in and your home and possibly family are violated.

I don't regret not being forced to be a victim.
Yes but...the goons in the vid are armed with a paper suit and little knifes, your *goon* simply blows you away then enters ya house... cuz ya ALL have guns like that placed next to the door ( pi nk ones for the little school guys and such ).

My firearms are locked in a safe.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

207 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Sheepshanks said:
I appreciate that you're stuck with it, but I really don't want that here, thanks.

Do people in the US not realise it's gone too far the solution proposed for stopping school shootings is to have armed guards at schools?
I understand that nearly all school shootings in the US have been performed by someone on an anti-depressants, or who has recently come off an anti-depressant type drugs (and the few that were not, were undisclosed... i.e. not certainly not on them).

Matt Harper

6,613 posts

200 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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superkartracer said:
Yes but...the goons in the vid are armed with a paper suit and little knifes, your *goon* simply blows you away then enters ya house... cuz ya ALL have guns like that placed next to the door ( pi nk ones for the little school guys and such ).

My firearms are locked in a safe.
I'm not sure I follow you. Are you suggesting that the home invaders dispatch the victims prior to smashing their way in? What is this crazy-talk?

smegmore

3,091 posts

175 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Digga said:
stuttgartmetal said:
Get yourself some furry molegrips

hehe I 'hear' the best plan is to have two sets - a noisy one and a stealthy one. One diverts attention, whilst the other lines up for attack, like Velociraptors.
LOL

I like that, furry molegrips eh?

hehe

Mr Trophy

6,808 posts

202 months

Tuesday 25th November 2014
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Matt Harper said:
Eleven said:
Esseesse said:
Soov535 said:
LordHaveMurci said:
Esseesse said:
creampuff said:
Soov535 said:
Very sensible.

Unfortunately in the UK you have to be quick at getting the shooter out of the safe hehe
Then getting the ammo out of the other safe wink
I knew about the safe, but didn't know about a separate one for the ammo.
Not required for shotguns. Not that it matters, you still wouldn't get your 12 bore out quick enough anyway.
Trust me I would!!!
Where are safes typically located (i.e. how easy is quick access) and what kind of lock is typically on it?
Somewhere out the way as a rule. Bedroom, loft, under stairs cupboard.

They locks vary but the cheaper ones have a clunky double sided key. It's not easy to open the safe quietly.
Key to all of this (see what I did there?) is that the supposed motivation for having a firearm in the home is fundamentally different in the UK, compared to the US, in the majority of cases.

In the UK you keep long guns for hunting/sport-shooting and that's why they're secured as they are required to be. Over here, as we all know, the mindset is a little different - the VAST majority of shotguns are employed not to bag a brace of game birds or to vaporize brightly colored ceramic discs - they are utilized as home defense weapons (particularly the large capacity tactical pump varieties like my Remington 870).

I would anticipate that UK gun owners get to shoot their weapons far more frequently than their US counterparts - even if it means donning tweed to do so.
The reality is that your common or garden British home invader is far, far less likely to be armed with a gun than his US contemporary - and as a result, wrestling with the locks on your gun safe should, in theory, be less of a point of tension.

I also think that home invasion is a crime that is really quite rare both in the UK and US - statistically most US home-invasions are criminal on criminal crimes and as a result, I care very little about the outcomes.

I looked back at the video on page #1. The tool they used to breach the door looks absolutely purpose-made for that task and is identical to the device used by my daughters police agency to gain entry - they affectionately refer to it as "the spare key". I wonder if they nicked that too?

Edited by Matt Harper on Tuesday 25th November 18:27
In all seriousness, if you some how manged to get to your shotgun (here in the UK) and discharged it at someone breaking into your house, I am pretty confident (?) that the police wouldn't take lightly to that and you would get done no?