12-year-old playing with fake gun shot dead by Ohio police.

12-year-old playing with fake gun shot dead by Ohio police.

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Shaw Tarse

31,543 posts

203 months

Sunday 14th June 2015
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FourWheelDrift said:
Nowhere is safe, 5 injured at New York's Waldorf Astoria hotel during a wedding reception as a gun is accidently discharged.

"Let's see if I have everything, suit, tie, cummerbund, wedding present..... Oh my gun I nearly forgot that"

http://news.sky.com/story/1501730/five-injured-in-...
Shotgun wedding?

croyde

22,898 posts

230 months

Sunday 14th June 2015
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I thought gun ownership in New York was illegal.

xjsdriver

1,071 posts

121 months

Sunday 14th June 2015
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Randomthoughts said:
No, the lives of scumbags running around thieving and waving guns around is a cheap commodity. To make this about race is utterly puerile, and pointless. In both cases recently, the 'victim' was doing things that made themselves likely to be on the receiving end of the long arm of the law.

fking mental that people seek to excuse the behaviour of the first, and the carrying of an imitation firearm modified to look real of the second.
What made it a race issue was the radio dispatcher enquiring if the kids were WHITE or BLACK before sending officers to the scene.

Elroy Blue

8,688 posts

192 months

Sunday 14th June 2015
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xjsdriver said:
What made it a race issue was the radio dispatcher enquiring if the kids were WHITE or BLACK before sending officers to the scene.
You don't think, just perhaps, they may have wanted a description of the person involved. Shocking I know.

irocfan

40,444 posts

190 months

Sunday 14th June 2015
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Elroy Blue said:
xjsdriver said:
What made it a race issue was the radio dispatcher enquiring if the kids were WHITE or BLACK before sending officers to the scene.
You don't think, just perhaps, they may have wanted a description of the person involved. Shocking I know.
how dare you come in here with your common sense!! Dontcha know this is all bout racism within the popo?

xjsdriver

1,071 posts

121 months

Sunday 14th June 2015
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Elroy Blue said:
xjsdriver said:
What made it a race issue was the radio dispatcher enquiring if the kids were WHITE or BLACK before sending officers to the scene.
You don't think, just perhaps, they may have wanted a description of the person involved. Shocking I know.
But you can bet your last quid in the bank that if the kid had been white, the outcome would have ended on a much happier note. As others have noted - there is very little time from when the cop car stops to the shooting starting. Poor judgement at best, a trigger happy response at the other end of the scale.

irocfan

40,444 posts

190 months

Sunday 14th June 2015
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xjsdriver said:
Elroy Blue said:
xjsdriver said:
What made it a race issue was the radio dispatcher enquiring if the kids were WHITE or BLACK before sending officers to the scene.
You don't think, just perhaps, they may have wanted a description of the person involved. Shocking I know.
But you can bet your last quid in the bank that if the kid had been white, the outcome would have ended on a much happier note. As others have noted - there is very little time from when the cop car stops to the shooting starting. Poor judgement at best, a trigger happy response at the other end of the scale.
the problem is that was a no win situation - if the kid had shot someone else the police would have been screamed at for not acting quickly enough frown

Eclassy

1,201 posts

122 months

Sunday 14th June 2015
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xjsdriver said:
But you can bet your last quid in the bank that if the kid had been white, the outcome would have ended on a much happier note. As others have noted - there is very little time from when the cop car stops to the shooting starting. Poor judgement at best, a trigger happy response at the other end of the scale.
Very true. Take a look at the clip below

https://youtu.be/btP4Gngtmeo

And for the last time Tamir rice wasnt doing anything illegal. He was a 12 year old playing with a toy gun in a childrens park. He never pointed it at anyone as claimed by the caller or police. The video shows him playing by himself.

John Crawford was talking on his phone and leaning on a toy gun he had picked up from a shelf in the Walmart he was in. He was shot dead on sight.

Sureshbhai Patel was just taking a walk in his son's neighbourhood after arriving a day earlier from India. He was left partly paralyzed simply for walking while brown and not understanding english.

Jermain McBean decided to go and buy a BB gun on his day off and as he walked home listening to music with the gun slung across on his shoulders, he was shot dead. The police said he refused to obey orders and there was nothing that could have prevented him from hearing their commands. His earphones were reported to have been found in his pockets. A picture that surfaced recently and that was taken immediately after his death show the earphones in his ears.

I definitely think this has a lot to do with race.


BlackLabel

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13,251 posts

123 months

Thursday 11th February 2016
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article said:
Fifteen months after 12-year-old Tamir Rice was shot and killed by a Cleveland police officer, the city has filed a claim against his estate for the cost of his ambulance ride to the hospital.

The creditor’s claim, filed in Cuyahoga County Probate Court on Wednesday, states that Tamir’s estate is overdue on a $500 payment for “emergency medical services rendered as the decedent’s last dying expense.”

The attached invoice notes requests $450 for “ambulance advance life support” and $50 for mileage.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/tamir-rice-shooting-family-sued-over-unpaid-ambulance-bill-of-son-shot-dead-by-cleveland-police-a6866896.html

jshell

11,006 posts

205 months

Thursday 11th February 2016
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BlackLabel said:
Utterly disgusting!

beanbag

7,346 posts

241 months

Thursday 11th February 2016
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Wow! I'm thoroughly shocked by some of comments. Especially by "Randomthoughts".

Utterly insensitive and just sickening to hear from somebody he deserved it.

The boy was foolish, but did not deserve to be shot. And question yourselves. Were you always sensible as a little boy?!

I used to also own a couple of BB guns at the age of 11. My friends and I would buy paint BB's and shoot each other in the park. We never shot anyone else (but not did this kid), and we also took off the orange caps off the end of the guns. They looked completely real and could have easily passed as the real deal from a glance.

We were told off a couple of times by the local security patrol (who carried real guns), but common sense kicked in and they never threatened us not pulled their weapons out at us. They just saw a bunch of kids playing shoot-em-up in the park and reacted accordingly.

I think it's utterly sick that "Randomthoughts" brandishes the child as a "scrote" and shouts out he deserved it. You're sick in the head and you need some serious self-reflection.

irocfan

40,444 posts

190 months

Thursday 11th February 2016
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now that just boggles the mind - utterly reprehensible. How does the saying go "knows the value of everything but the worth of nothing", want to hang their heads in shame

FourWheelDrift

88,517 posts

284 months

Thursday 11th February 2016
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beanbag said:
I think it's utterly sick that "Randomthoughts" brandishes the child as a "scrote" and shouts out he deserved it. You're sick in the head and you need some serious self-reflection.
He's not here any more.

beanbag

7,346 posts

241 months

Thursday 11th February 2016
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FourWheelDrift said:
beanbag said:
I think it's utterly sick that "Randomthoughts" brandishes the child as a "scrote" and shouts out he deserved it. You're sick in the head and you need some serious self-reflection.
He's not here any more.
Cheers...nice to know.

croyde

22,898 posts

230 months

Thursday 11th February 2016
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That is pretty fekin' heartless.

Even if the cops were in fear of their lives the City could at least help the family rather than add to their terrible grief.

Chris Type R

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249 months

Thursday 11th February 2016
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croyde said:
That is pretty fekin' heartless.

Even if the cops were in fear of their lives the City could at least help the family rather than add to their terrible grief.
There's this comment against the linked article. Not sure if true or not....

"The city is being sued by Tamir Rice's family. The city's lawyers have probably advised the municipality to play hardball and press for payment; refraining from doing so would run the risk of the Rice family's lawyers presenting it as an implicit admission of guilt."

irocfan

40,444 posts

190 months

Thursday 11th February 2016
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Chris Type R said:
croyde said:
That is pretty fekin' heartless.

Even if the cops were in fear of their lives the City could at least help the family rather than add to their terrible grief.
There's this comment against the linked article. Not sure if true or not....

"The city is being sued by Tamir Rice's family. The city's lawyers have probably advised the municipality to play hardball and press for payment; refraining from doing so would run the risk of the Rice family's lawyers presenting it as an implicit admission of guilt."
and again the whole "two sides" thing frown

KrissKross

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101 months

Thursday 11th February 2016
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