12-year-old playing with fake gun shot dead by Ohio police.
Discussion
philv said:
The most pertinent part is the word black.
Why?It's not like honkies haven't been capped by the 5-0...
Some people really do need to get a grip. "ErMaGerd, you gone killed a black dude! You wunna dun that if he was white!"
f
king unreal. Can these people not be next in line for being put down?KemP said:
To me it looks like he isnt raising hands or dropping the gun. I wasnt there and I didnt have to make the decision. The policeman who was there and had the information passed onto to him accessed the situation and decided that there was a threat and made his choice. Someone made a call to the police who was concerned enough to think it was a real gun being used in a inappropriate way.
I had bb guns when I was younger and I shot real weapons later on. It was drilled into me from a very young age you do not point the gun at anything you don't want to shoot and you don't dick around with them, real, replica, unloaded or loaded.
Luckily for you, you had that traning.I had bb guns when I was younger and I shot real weapons later on. It was drilled into me from a very young age you do not point the gun at anything you don't want to shoot and you don't dick around with them, real, replica, unloaded or loaded.
Not every kid has this or responsible parents.
Some kids are very responsible, some are not.
That is life and part of growing up.
Some allowance must be made.
The caller said not sure if real and said he was on the swing.
He was pkaying on the swings with a toy gun.
philv said:
Not every kid has this or responsible parents.
Some kids are very responsible, some are not.
He was pkaying on the swings with a toy gun.
Are you blind as well as moronic? He's fSome kids are very responsible, some are not.
He was pkaying on the swings with a toy gun.
king wandering down the streets looking down the sights at people!f
king hell there are some loonie apologists in this world.philv said:
What is he going to do?
A) cool calm collected a la Clint Eastwood, he calmly slowly removes his gun, preferably not with his hands, and it floats gently to tne floor.
B) he sts himself, rushes to tnrow tne gun down.
He gets shot because he panicks, as most would.
What chance did tne kid have?
There's more than just those two binary considerations. A) cool calm collected a la Clint Eastwood, he calmly slowly removes his gun, preferably not with his hands, and it floats gently to tne floor.
B) he s
ts himself, rushes to tnrow tne gun down.He gets shot because he panicks, as most would.
What chance did tne kid have?
philv said:
But whatever, the situation was rushed.
Says who? Just because quick action was taken doesn't mean it was rushed. philv said:
It is a shame that this appears not to have bedn relayed to the patrol car.
What makes you say that? That standard dispatch information to be passed. You appear to be satisfied in making up what you think has occurred without actually considering alternatives.
La Liga said:
hat makes you say that? That standard dispatch information to be passed.
You don't appear to be satisfied in making up what you think has occurred without actually considering alternatives.
The police gave a kid 2 seconds.You don't appear to be satisfied in making up what you think has occurred without actually considering alternatives.
If they didnt know it was a kid tnen they had not assessed tne situation fully.
I listened to tne callers pho e in to police control.
The news article said the information was not passed on.
On the contrary, it appears people know what happened and it was a good shooting.
Im saying we do not know what happens.
And what is more, with the time taken, and information at hand they should have approached it differently.
Edited by philv on Thursday 27th November 12:22
philv said:
The police gave a kid 2 seconds.
If they didnt know it was a kid tnen they had not assessed tne situation fully.
I listened to tne callers pho e in to police control.
The news article said the information was not passed on.
Yet the pertinent part of the video seems to have escaped you. Let me get it for you.If they didnt know it was a kid tnen they had not assessed tne situation fully.
I listened to tne callers pho e in to police control.
The news article said the information was not passed on.
Randomthoughts said:
Yet the pertinent part of the video seems to have escaped you. Let me get it for you.
Well blow me.Never seen a kid do that?
The pertinent part would be if the police were in that picture aswell and having tne gun pointed at tnem.
Or should we assume all kids playong with toy guns are fair game?
The police didnt see that picture.
They received tne folliwing i fo -
Bkack
Male
Swing
Gun pointing
Not sure if real
Consider their actions on that.
2 parts - not sure if real and swing would send off alarm bells.
You do not get many people ringing up the police to say their local shop is being held up at gunpoint but that not sure if gun is real.
There is infirmation there that shoukd have registered.
But possibly the bits that registered might have been gin and black only.
Edited by philv on Thursday 27th November 12:33
philv said:
Well blow me.
Never seen a kid do that?
The pertinent part would be if the police were in that picture aswell and having tne gun pointed at tnem.
Not in the fNever seen a kid do that?
The pertinent part would be if the police were in that picture aswell and having tne gun pointed at tnem.
king street, at people walking away from them, no!You're clearly going to be one of those people that never understands, so I suggest we're never going to agree. You go on breeding drains on society, I'll ensure that anything that I bring into the world knows that pointing guns at people is going to end in tears. Job done.
philv said:
The police gave a kid 2 seconds.
A lethal threat can exist in two seconds. And that was two seconds after the car were stopped. He, and his behavior, would have been seen for a greater period of time. philv said:
If they didnt know it was a kid tnen they had not assessed tne situation fully.
Not true, and perhaps they did have an idea of his age. Natural sensory exclusion means the focus would have been on the weapon and what was being done with that. Can't 12 year-olds present a lethal threat or something? The way people keep mentioning the age, it's almost as if there's some 'goes without saying' limitation or something.
philv said:
I listened to tne callers pho e in to police control.
The news article said the information was not passed on.
Perhaps not, it doesn't make much difference. "Oh, witness X from many feet away can't tell if the gun's real or not". The news article said the information was not passed on.
philv said:
On the contrary, it appears people know what happened and it was a good shooting.
It's still being investigated. The 'can't wait to make conclusions now' type of thinkers aren't patient enough for this. philv said:
Im saying we do not know what happens.
And what is more, with the time taken, and information at hand they should have approached it differently.
You're saying we don't know what happened, then saying they should have approached it differently. Do you not see the inherent flaw there? And what is more, with the time taken, and information at hand they should have approached it differently.
La Liga said:
Can't 12 year-olds present a lethal threat or something? The way people keep mentioning the age, it's almost as if there's some 'goes without saying' limitation or something.
Of course not, do you not understand philv? You can tool up as a 12 year old as much as you like, wander around with AKs, UZIs and a couple of hand grenades but the police should know that 'boys will be boys' and not to shoot them. God forbid you do it at 18 though, then it's fair game, because I don't want to be unsafe. Those know exactly what they're doing.La Liga said:
It's still being investigated. The 'can't wait to make conclusions now' type of thinkers aren't patient enough for this.
I don't care what people think as some sort of defence for what he was doing WRT my conclusion. Gun + pointing it at people + failing to comply immediately with an instruction should always end badly for the moron doing it in my book.
Randomthoughts said:
Not in the fking street, at people walking away from them, no!
You're clearly going to be one of those people that never understands, so I suggest we're never going to agree. You go on breeding drains on society, I'll ensure that anything that I bring into the world knows that pointing guns at people is going to end in tears. Job done.
Middle aged white professional. Well travelled.king street, at people walking away from them, no!You're clearly going to be one of those people that never understands, so I suggest we're never going to agree. You go on breeding drains on society, I'll ensure that anything that I bring into the world knows that pointing guns at people is going to end in tears. Job done.
One of those people?
I do not agrree with you soyou resort to insults?
Classy.
I go on breeding drains on society?
Perhaps youd like a cull of all THOSE people?
philv said:
Randomthoughts said:
Yet the pertinent part of the video seems to have escaped you. Let me get it for you.
Well blow me.Never seen a kid do that?
The pertinent part would be if the police were in that picture aswell and having tne gun pointed at tnem.
Or should we assume all kids playong with toy guns are fair game?
The police didnt see that picture.
They received tne folliwing i fo -
Bkack
Male
Swing
Gun pointing
Not sure if real
Consider their actions on that.
2 parts - not sure if real and swing would send off alarm bells.
You do not get many people ringing up the police to say their local shop is being held up at gunpoint but that not sure if gun is real.
There is infirmation there that shoukd have registered.
But possibly the bits that registered might have been gin and black only.
Edited by philv on Thursday 27th November 12:33
La Liga said:
ou're saying we don't know what happened, then saying they should have approached it differently. Do you not see the inherent flaw there?
Flaw?As opposed to people here saying tne actions were fine by the police when we do not have tne full info.
Is that not the same flaw?
philv said:
No.
But then not all kids running around with toy guns are killers either.
So how do you propose to distinguish between the toy guns and the real guns when the obvious markings are removed, and you've got a handful of seconds to decide whether you take the chance that it's real and never see your family again, or whether you waste the person in front of you with a gun/fake gun who has been reported to be pointing it at people and causing distress?But then not all kids running around with toy guns are killers either.
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