12-year-old playing with fake gun shot dead by Ohio police.
Discussion
philv said:
Flaw?
As opposed to people here saying tne actions were fine by the police when we do not have tne full info.
Is that not the same flaw?
Both sides should wait for the investigation to be concluded before making solid conclusions. You can't justify doing it because "the other side" are doing it, too! As opposed to people here saying tne actions were fine by the police when we do not have tne full info.
Is that not the same flaw?
Guam said:
Of course you have such powers so should stick your underwear on the outside of your pants and go save the citizens from themselves!
I deeply suspect that the common sense is lacking in this one, and we're never going to convince them that running around in public with a fake gun is a bad idea.Here's a good test though, philv. Go and buy an airsoft gun, take the orange bits off it and run into Scotland Yard pointing it at people. If this is so dependent on the person being a child, get your offspring to do the same.
Saves us having to listen to this s
t here.andymadmak said:
philv said:
The police gave a kid 2 seconds.
No they did not. Please see my earlier post. The video is time lapsed. What looks like 2 seconds now was clearly somewhat longer in real life. Try to understand this please. Randomthoughts said:
I deeply suspect that the common sense is lacking in this one, and we're never going to convince them that running around in public with a fake gun is a bad idea.
Here's a good test though, philv. Go and buy an airsoft gun, take the orange bits off it and run into Scotland Yard pointing it at people. If this is so dependent on the person being a child, get your offspring to do the same.
Saves us having to listen to this st here.
Maybe you would like all of Those drains on society to do the same Mr Bigot.Here's a good test though, philv. Go and buy an airsoft gun, take the orange bits off it and run into Scotland Yard pointing it at people. If this is so dependent on the person being a child, get your offspring to do the same.
Saves us having to listen to this s
t here.Then you can have your mass cull.
If someone has a different opinion to yours it becomes s
t? Lolhttps://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=6+year+old+...
Have a look at the number of sub-10 year old kids that have killed siblings just in the first few results above. Guns don't really care what age of person pulls the trigger!!!
Poor little fecker, but even UK cops would likely have shot.
Have a look at the number of sub-10 year old kids that have killed siblings just in the first few results above. Guns don't really care what age of person pulls the trigger!!!
Poor little fecker, but even UK cops would likely have shot.
so called said:
andymadmak said:
philv said:
The police gave a kid 2 seconds.
No they did not. Please see my earlier post. The video is time lapsed. What looks like 2 seconds now was clearly somewhat longer in real life. Try to understand this please. philv said:
Maybe you would like all of Those drains on society to do the same Mr Bigot.
Then you can have your mass cull.
Bigot is inaccurate. I'm very tolerant of different opinions. If you could do anything more than scream (in your loudest Mumsnet voice) 'won't somebody think of the children', then you might stand a fighting chance.Then you can have your mass cull.
I'm just intolerant of scumbags who think the law is entirely optional to them, whose relatives then bleat about how the law enforcement was heavy handed when dealing with their armed, uncooperative scumbag offspring.
jshell said:
https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=ssl#q=6+year+old+...
Have a look at the number of sub-10 year old kids that have killed siblings just in the first few results above. Guns don't really care what age of person pulls the trigger!!!
How very dare you suggest that children can kill as well. Don't you know that they're just cute little beings that play on swings?Have a look at the number of sub-10 year old kids that have killed siblings just in the first few results above. Guns don't really care what age of person pulls the trigger!!!
Won't somebody think of the children!
L1OFF said:
andymc said:
That was interesting, I didn't realise that only the tip of the barrel was orange. In the UK (shop near me) the whole thing is completly orange.When I played airsoft I had an Umarex H&K G36C Replica with electric blowback (like recoil, only about 10% of the force).
Like this one. Built by Umarex under license from H&K.
http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/umarex-h-k-g36c-competi...
It was even stripped in the same way as the real gun it's based on to get to the component parts.
Airsoft Pistols in the UK are identical as well, right down to the top-slide moving (with Gas Blow back) and the way they are stripped.
La Liga said:
Chris Type R said:
jshell said:
Poor little fecker, but even UK cops would likely have shot.
I don't believe that.Over in the UK, gun crime is reserved for the very few who mean serious business. The chances of a police officer having to respond to a gun crime is low enough already, and the chances of it being anything more than a misunderstanding or an over-exaggeration are even slimmer. Add into that darling little child and the police in the UK are much more likely to err on the side of caution.
In the US, you've got kids killing people near enough every few days. Nearly every police officer is armed and they regularly have to deal with very intense situations.
At that point, when someone pulls a gun out you have to decide whether you're going home tonight or not.
philv said:
Luckily for you, you had that traning.
Not every kid has this or responsible parents.
Some kids are very responsible, some are not.
That is life and part of growing up.
Some allowance must be made.
The caller said not sure if real and said he was on the swing.
He was pkaying on the swings with a toy gun.
He wasn't playing. We was trying to intimate people with a firearm.Not every kid has this or responsible parents.
Some kids are very responsible, some are not.
That is life and part of growing up.
Some allowance must be made.
The caller said not sure if real and said he was on the swing.
He was pkaying on the swings with a toy gun.
Stop trying to blame police. They did what they though was correct. Maybe if other people in his life took more responsibility it wouldn't have ended like this.
andymadmak said:
so called said:
andymadmak said:
philv said:
The police gave a kid 2 seconds.
No they did not. Please see my earlier post. The video is time lapsed. What looks like 2 seconds now was clearly somewhat longer in real life. Try to understand this please. I think that the reasoning on both sides of the argument here are due to the nature of the event.
12 year old kid gets shot playing with a toy gun....terrible.
Police Officer are regularly in extreme danger from firearms and cant take chances......I agree.
I think for me its quite difficult separating my childhood back in the 60's where we either played Cowboys and Indians or War. Lots of killing each other based on US films
and it wasn't so long after the end of WW2, ..."why do I have to be the German again ?".
But I also know and realize that the US is a completely different place now than the UK was when I was a kid.
I visit there about ten times per year. Have heard enough of screaming outside my hotel room window, gun shots and then silence.
The only think that I find wrong in this thread is the way some have dismissed the 12 year old as some useless low life that the world is better of rid of.
philv said:
In the phone call to the police, the caller stated she was not sure if the gun was real or not.
I think the caller also said the gunman was on a swing.
It is a shame that this appears not to have bedn relayed to the patrol car.
I don't know if it is real or not. Well, you have to work on the basis it is real, because if you think they will always be fake guns, you might be very dead very quickly.I think the caller also said the gunman was on a swing.
It is a shame that this appears not to have bedn relayed to the patrol car.
The gunman was on a swing. So? People do take drugs and do all sorts of things. And I don't think only children use swings.
SO regardless of whether this information was relayed to the officers or not, they attended, saw someone pointing a weapon at them that might have been real. Now, I am not sure how many more times this can be said BUT if an officer points a gun at you do you
a) point whatever gun you have at them, or wave it around
b) keep your hands away from any weapon or potential weapon and keep your hands up in the air where they can see them?
However the police had to make a snap decision, if it was a real gun then other kids could have been killed/injured. The sad truth is that (based on the info we've heard) the cops likely did the right thing Just saw the footage. Police were fking moronic. They drove straight up to the kid, within 3 feet. He turns around and appears to react and then they shoot. 2 seconds between stopping their car and a dead kid.
Why not park 10 metres away, bark commands and generally act like a professional police force?
In my opinion the police set themselves up for a massive fail and failed massively. They seriously need some training out there!
king moronic. They drove straight up to the kid, within 3 feet. He turns around and appears to react and then they shoot. 2 seconds between stopping their car and a dead kid.Why not park 10 metres away, bark commands and generally act like a professional police force?
In my opinion the police set themselves up for a massive fail and failed massively. They seriously need some training out there!
John145 said:
Just saw the footage. Police were fking moronic. They drove straight up to the kid, within 3 feet. He turns around and appears to react and then they shoot. 2 seconds between stopping their car and a dead kid.
Why not park 10 metres away, bark commands and generally act like a professional police force?
In my opinion the police set themselves up for a massive fail and failed massively. They seriously need some training out there!
All forces are different depending on what state, what city, and what district of said city. They are also conditioned to react to the popular they deal with the most.king moronic. They drove straight up to the kid, within 3 feet. He turns around and appears to react and then they shoot. 2 seconds between stopping their car and a dead kid.Why not park 10 metres away, bark commands and generally act like a professional police force?
In my opinion the police set themselves up for a massive fail and failed massively. They seriously need some training out there!
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