12-year-old playing with fake gun shot dead by Ohio police.
Discussion
John145 said:
Just saw the footage. Police were f
king moronic. They drove straight up to the kid, within 3 feet. He turns around and appears to react and then they shoot. 2 seconds between stopping their car and a dead kid.
Why not park 10 metres away, bark commands and generally act like a professional police force?
In my opinion the police set themselves up for a massive fail and failed massively. They seriously need some training out there!
Are Police cars bullet proof? king moronic. They drove straight up to the kid, within 3 feet. He turns around and appears to react and then they shoot. 2 seconds between stopping their car and a dead kid.Why not park 10 metres away, bark commands and generally act like a professional police force?
In my opinion the police set themselves up for a massive fail and failed massively. They seriously need some training out there!
John145 said:
Why not park 10 metres away, bark commands and generally act like a professional police force?
In my opinion the police set themselves up for a massive fail and failed massively. They seriously need some training out there!
The closer they are the better they can observe and assess the situation, and should they need to shoot there's less chance of missing.In my opinion the police set themselves up for a massive fail and failed massively. They seriously need some training out there!
On the subject of it being a harmless pellet gun, here's two examples of kids being shot dead by harmless pellet guns (remember he was in a playground).
http://abc30.com/archive/8942960/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-42919/Boy-...
TBF, there's a big difference between an air rifle/pistol and an airsoft gun.
The biggest harm an airsoft gun can do (not that this isn't bad enough) is blind you or deafen you, the bb's can't penetrate skin, even if the FPS (Muzzle velocity) is turned up.
However, the issue with this story is the life-like look and indeed feel and firing action of an airsoft gun. The Police in this case did do the right thing, I feel sorry for the policemen who'll have to live with this his entire life.
The biggest harm an airsoft gun can do (not that this isn't bad enough) is blind you or deafen you, the bb's can't penetrate skin, even if the FPS (Muzzle velocity) is turned up.
However, the issue with this story is the life-like look and indeed feel and firing action of an airsoft gun. The Police in this case did do the right thing, I feel sorry for the policemen who'll have to live with this his entire life.
I believe some of the cop cars can be fitted with kevlar armour in the door panels.*
Unfortunately for the kid, he was holding a gun therefore a target, end of. Not up to the police officers to hesitate, even for a second, or they could possibly end up dead.
I have a Sig Sauer 226 CO2 pistol, perfectly legal in the UK. I know someone who works with the real 226 which he can't take home with him so has the same CO2 pistol at home for practice and because it strips down in exactly the same way.
I know that it would be very daft of me to brandish it in public and if I did it could end in my arrest or even getting shot. Jumping to conclusions but the kid was trying to be Gangsta, a pretty stupid thing to do in a country where cops are armed and get shot in the line of duty.
Playing devils advocate here but the police drove right up to him, which seems a daft thing to do as they had been warned that he had a gun. I thought the usual thing was to stop nearby and point your weapon and shout "Stop! or we'll fire" or similar.
The officer that shot him would have been feet away and still in the car and would be feeling pretty vulnerable. I'd imagine then things would have happened very fast
Unfortunately for the kid, he was holding a gun therefore a target, end of. Not up to the police officers to hesitate, even for a second, or they could possibly end up dead.
I have a Sig Sauer 226 CO2 pistol, perfectly legal in the UK. I know someone who works with the real 226 which he can't take home with him so has the same CO2 pistol at home for practice and because it strips down in exactly the same way.
I know that it would be very daft of me to brandish it in public and if I did it could end in my arrest or even getting shot. Jumping to conclusions but the kid was trying to be Gangsta, a pretty stupid thing to do in a country where cops are armed and get shot in the line of duty.
Playing devils advocate here but the police drove right up to him, which seems a daft thing to do as they had been warned that he had a gun. I thought the usual thing was to stop nearby and point your weapon and shout "Stop! or we'll fire" or similar.
The officer that shot him would have been feet away and still in the car and would be feeling pretty vulnerable. I'd imagine then things would have happened very fast
- Guys on CrownVic.net often post about how to remove them from their ex cop P71s as they add so much weight to an already 2 ton car.
Edited by croyde on Friday 28th November 12:09
As tragic as it is,
This Kid was doomed the minute he felt it was a good idea to take a replica / toy firearm and play "Gangsta" with it and point it at people.
As pointed out children have discharged weapons at schools in the US. Did anyone hear about the 9 year old that killed an instructor at gun range with a fully automatic weapon? Daft. American culture being what it is and its fascination with guns and crime.
You could argue he was asked to put the weapon down and in the rush to comply it looked like he was drawing it (I haven't seen the footage but the still shot from the park looked pretty damning).
Tragic but lordy, why carry a replica and use it in a threatening manner in the States off all places?
This Kid was doomed the minute he felt it was a good idea to take a replica / toy firearm and play "Gangsta" with it and point it at people.
As pointed out children have discharged weapons at schools in the US. Did anyone hear about the 9 year old that killed an instructor at gun range with a fully automatic weapon? Daft. American culture being what it is and its fascination with guns and crime.
You could argue he was asked to put the weapon down and in the rush to comply it looked like he was drawing it (I haven't seen the footage but the still shot from the park looked pretty damning).
Tragic but lordy, why carry a replica and use it in a threatening manner in the States off all places?
Edited by T1berious on Friday 28th November 14:03
Only last month a kid killed two and wounded more in a school near Seattle. He'd been upset about being dumped by his girlfriend so her shot her and the kids around her, including friends.
Feked up or what and he had only just been voted the Prom Prince or some similar title so obviously a popular kid
Feked up or what and he had only just been voted the Prom Prince or some similar title so obviously a popular kid
BoRED S2upid said:
Randomthoughts said:
Every chance to not wake up that morning and decide to go out pointing a gun at people.
He chose to point a gun at people. Who cares if he gets splattered? He's hardly the greatest loss society will ever suffer.
Dear god a 12 year old is dead what a horrible thing to say. He chose to point a gun at people. Who cares if he gets splattered? He's hardly the greatest loss society will ever suffer.
hole.It's a kid playing with a toy gun you asshat, with an awful and regrettable outcome.
Between January and October, 2014, 331 murders occurred in The city of Chicago. Ironically, that is the city Obama was standing in while railing against violence in Ferguson all the while mentioning nothing of the violence in Chicago. Local black religious leaders are speaking out against him for ignoring the issue because the "majority of the murders are black on black, which does not play into the divisive narrative he perpetuates. Efforts to stop violence should not be limited by agendas".
Whats wrong with a kid playing with a toy gun in a playground? Unless there are signs saying 'No Toy Guns'
In this Youtube video http://youtu.be/btP4Gngtmeo, a much taller 16 year old kid with his face covered (so you cant even tell) is playing with a toy rocket propelled grenade launcher and actively pointing it at motorists. He lives.
I have watched the video and although we see the kid pointing the gun, I didnt see him point it at one human being. The caller didnt report shots fired or had the police received any calls from the people that the gun had been pointed at.
I can understand why the policeman shot the boy but they put themselves in a situation where they had to. Like someone said earlier, why drive up straight to a person who whilst the police rightfully believed he had a weapon, he was posing no threat or danger to anyone at the time the police arrived. Ohio is an open carry state and someone being seen with a gun does not mean an automatic reason to shoot them.
There are several videos of people open carrying weapons in the US and what the police did to Tamir Rice would be no different to the police riding up suddenly behind someone openly carrying and shooting them dead for making a sudden turning movement.
Another man was killed in a superamrket for carrying a toy gun. In that video the man was on his phone with the gun pointing to the ground. Police startled him, he looked up and 1 sec later he was dead without as much as lifting his toy gun.
Anyone who thinks the way the police acted was responsible needs their head checking. If it was standard police practice to ride up next to a suspect and then engage, I am surprised that any of the cinema and school mass killers have lived to tell their story.
In this Youtube video http://youtu.be/btP4Gngtmeo, a much taller 16 year old kid with his face covered (so you cant even tell) is playing with a toy rocket propelled grenade launcher and actively pointing it at motorists. He lives.
I have watched the video and although we see the kid pointing the gun, I didnt see him point it at one human being. The caller didnt report shots fired or had the police received any calls from the people that the gun had been pointed at.
I can understand why the policeman shot the boy but they put themselves in a situation where they had to. Like someone said earlier, why drive up straight to a person who whilst the police rightfully believed he had a weapon, he was posing no threat or danger to anyone at the time the police arrived. Ohio is an open carry state and someone being seen with a gun does not mean an automatic reason to shoot them.
There are several videos of people open carrying weapons in the US and what the police did to Tamir Rice would be no different to the police riding up suddenly behind someone openly carrying and shooting them dead for making a sudden turning movement.
Another man was killed in a superamrket for carrying a toy gun. In that video the man was on his phone with the gun pointing to the ground. Police startled him, he looked up and 1 sec later he was dead without as much as lifting his toy gun.
Anyone who thinks the way the police acted was responsible needs their head checking. If it was standard police practice to ride up next to a suspect and then engage, I am surprised that any of the cinema and school mass killers have lived to tell their story.
Edited by Eclassy on Friday 28th November 17:04
Edited by Eclassy on Friday 28th November 17:42
John145 said:
Why not park 10 metres away, bark commands and generally act like a professional police force?
even 50 would be enough so the kid could hear them and not pose danger even if it was a real gun, in theory guns can hit at 50m distance but doubtful the kid could be that precisethe cop obviously wasn't trained properly to deal with such situations so he had to call other cars or even SWAT team if he felt the kid was dangerous
Terminator X said:
People can learn a lot from Chris Rock in this situation:
1) Obey the law.
2) Use common sense.
3) Stop immediately.
4) Be polite.
5) Do not shout "fk the police".
TX.
1) Obey the law.
2) Use common sense.
3) Stop immediately.
4) Be polite.
5) Do not shout "f
k the police".TX.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
VeeDubBigBird said:
John145 said:
Why not park 10 metres away, bark commands and generally act like a professional police force?
In my opinion the police set themselves up for a massive fail and failed massively. They seriously need some training out there!
The closer they are the better they can observe and assess the situation, and should they need to shoot there's less chance of missing.In my opinion the police set themselves up for a massive fail and failed massively. They seriously need some training out there!
On the subject of it being a harmless pellet gun, here's two examples of kids being shot dead by harmless pellet guns (remember he was in a playground).
http://abc30.com/archive/8942960/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-42919/Boy-...
John145 said:
VeeDubBigBird said:
John145 said:
Why not park 10 metres away, bark commands and generally act like a professional police force?
In my opinion the police set themselves up for a massive fail and failed massively. They seriously need some training out there!
The closer they are the better they can observe and assess the situation, and should they need to shoot there's less chance of missing.In my opinion the police set themselves up for a massive fail and failed massively. They seriously need some training out there!
On the subject of it being a harmless pellet gun, here's two examples of kids being shot dead by harmless pellet guns (remember he was in a playground).
http://abc30.com/archive/8942960/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-42919/Boy-...
Contrast this with the situation in the USA. Gun crime is a significant problem there, and officers are killed and wounded at the hands of gun carrying criminals of all ages every week. And for every incident in the USA that results in an officer being wounded or killed how many more occur with similar circumstances but less tragic outcomes?
It is in THIS context that you have to consider the actions of the Police.
The incident was reported to them as being a male pointing a gun at people in a childrens park. They responded. According to the reports I have read, the officers gave 3 instructions to surrender as they drove up in the car. I do not know if the officers were shouting from the car window or if they were using their PA system. Either way, the kid did not respond in an appropriate fashion and is now dead as a result. As I said in my earlier post, I cannot accept that ANYONE living in the USA is not aware of what could happen to you if you wave a weapon around in a public place and then fail to respond to Police instructions. He may have been only a kid, and 12 is too young to die, but people need to get a grip and understand that by removing the orange safety markings ( assuming it was he that did that) and by acting in the way he did he brought about his own fate. He might just as easily have leapt into the Tiger enclosure at Chicago zoo, the results would have been just as predictable and awful. This was not a summary execution as some have painted it. He was not shot in the back by cowboys, and I would challenge any of the people posting such things to spend a week riding with a Policeman in some of these US inner cities and suburbs. Those that take up the challenge may want to sort out some body armour and put their personal affairs in order before they go.
Eclassy said:
Anyone who thinks the way the police acted was responsible needs their head checking. If it was standard police practice to ride up next to a suspect and then engage, I am surprised that any of the cinema and school mass killers have lived to tell their story.
+1Edited by Eclassy on Friday 28th November 17:04
Edited by Eclassy on Friday 28th November 17:42
It is the way the American police treat these communities as the enemy, always on the attack and far too aggressive for anything sensible a lot of the time.
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