12-year-old playing with fake gun shot dead by Ohio police.

12-year-old playing with fake gun shot dead by Ohio police.

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anonymous-user

54 months

Saturday 29th November 2014
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MrBrightSi said:
+1

It is the way the American police treat these communities as the enemy, always on the attack and far too aggressive for anything sensible a lot of the time.
Except they've made 98 million arrests(a) (plus all the other confrontational, no arrest scenarios) between 2003 and 2009, with 2931 of those interactions resulting in "homicide" by cop.

Hardly sounds like "always on the attack" to me, given the threat levels the police face over there, and that 500 have been shot and killed over the same period.

(a) FBI data.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

279 months

Saturday 29th November 2014
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If you were in a car responding to a possible armed criminal, WTF would you drive to within a couple of metres, which puts you in danger and gives you no time to assess the situation?


Matt Harper

6,618 posts

201 months

Saturday 29th November 2014
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Ayahuasca said:
If you were in a car responding to a possible armed criminal, WTF would you drive to within a couple of metres, which puts you in danger and gives you no time to assess the situation?
Don't try to rationalize with the experts in US police strategy/policy/logistics/training - for they know how it all works over here - they've seen the TV shows to prove it.

babatunde

736 posts

190 months

Sunday 30th November 2014
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Matt Harper said:
Ayahuasca said:
If you were in a car responding to a possible armed criminal, WTF would you drive to within a couple of metres, which puts you in danger and gives you no time to assess the situation?
Don't try to rationalize with the experts in US police strategy/policy/logistics/training - for they know how it all works over here - they've seen the TV shows to prove it.
Rationalise, assess, commonsense has no place here? Don't you know a blackman with a gun is a menace to society, and that applies to 12 year old kids, as well apparently.

NicD

3,281 posts

257 months

Sunday 30th November 2014
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babatunde said:
Matt Harper said:
Ayahuasca said:
If you were in a car responding to a possible armed criminal, WTF would you drive to within a couple of metres, which puts you in danger and gives you no time to assess the situation?
Don't try to rationalize with the experts in US police strategy/policy/logistics/training - for they know how it all works over here - they've seen the TV shows to prove it.
Rationalise, assess, commonsense has no place here? Don't you know a blackman with a gun is a menace to society, and that applies to 12 year old kids, as well apparently.
'Rationalise and commonsense' may in fact be less useful than a detailed investigation and assessment. Can you point me to the ignored 'assess' that supports your flip comment?
I see rather good 'assess' above ( from La Liga) that supports the status quo.

NicD

3,281 posts

257 months

Sunday 30th November 2014
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babatunde said:
Matt Harper said:
Ayahuasca said:
If you were in a car responding to a possible armed criminal, WTF would you drive to within a couple of metres, which puts you in danger and gives you no time to assess the situation?
Don't try to rationalize with the experts in US police strategy/policy/logistics/training - for they know how it all works over here - they've seen the TV shows to prove it.
Rationalise, assess, commonsense has no place here? Don't you know a blackman with a gun is a menace to society, and that applies to 12 year old kids, as well apparently.
'Rationalise and commonsense' may in fact be less useful than a detailed investigation and assessment. Can you point me to the ignored 'assess' that supports your flip comment?
I see rather good 'assess' above ( from La Liga) that supports the status quo.

irocfan

40,439 posts

190 months

Sunday 30th November 2014
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MrBrightSi said:
+1

It is the way the American police treat these communities as the enemy, always on the attack and far too aggressive for anything sensible a lot of the time.
because of course the police are NEVER at risk....

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/07/local/la-m...

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

231 months

Sunday 30th November 2014
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irocfan said:
MrBrightSi said:
+1

It is the way the American police treat these communities as the enemy, always on the attack and far too aggressive for anything sensible a lot of the time.
because of course the police are NEVER at risk....

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/07/local/la-m...
Certain neighborhoods are war zones, populated by people who have been taught generational crime and anti-police attitudes. Those encounters are going to be as you described. The vast majority of police/public encounters are pleasant and non-eventful, those just don't get publicized. Makes sense?

croyde

22,898 posts

230 months

Monday 1st December 2014
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irocfan said:
because of course the police are NEVER at risk....

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/aug/07/local/la-m...
Not that I care but I think Mr White was executed too. Quite rightly.

Fishtigua

9,786 posts

195 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Three Cops choke an unarmed 40 year old to death using an illegal throat hold.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30321840

KemP

492 posts

207 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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Fishtigua said:
Three Cops choke an unarmed 40 year old to death using an illegal throat hold.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30321840
Why do people fight the police? I just don't understand it. You don't resist, you get cuffed taken to the police station and presuming you didn't do anything you lose a few hours of your day.

You fight them, you end up getting cuffed anyway and you take a beating or worse. Then you spend more time in the police station or at the morgue.

He was a big guy. If it resists how are you meant to get him down?




pork911

7,140 posts

183 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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KemP said:
He was a big guy. If it resists how are you meant to get him down?
with some mates and then a choke hold to keep him down, obviously

croyde

22,898 posts

230 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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How come US citizens are allowed to be armed in order to protect themselves from the government yet they never seem to defend themselves. Happy to kill eachother tho.

Just saying.

croyde

22,898 posts

230 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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How come US citizens are allowed to be armed in order to protect themselves from the government yet they never seem to defend themselves. Happy to kill eachother tho.

Just saying.

Fittster

20,120 posts

213 months

Thursday 4th December 2014
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"The Cleveland cop who fatally shot a 12-year-old because the kid was holding an Airsoft gun last month should never have become a police officer, according to his own personnel file. Northeast Ohio Media Group ​reported Wednesday that Officer Timothy Loehmann was known at the academy as an emotional wreck who was terrible with a gun.

Loehmann worked as a cop in Independence, Ohio, before moving to the Cleveland Police. Now the Cleveland PD is ​saying they never bothered to check their applicant's record. If his bosses had checked, they would have seen a troubling pattern of clouded judgment—and possibly prevented a child's death by keeping him off the streets.

From his earliest days at the Cleveland Heights Police Academy, Loehmann performed poorly. He would fall asleep in class. He showed up "sleepy and upset" for a gun qualification session and eventually had a meltdown during a training exercise. Independence Police Sergeant Greg Tinnirello said the officer couldn't follow simple instructions. Deputy Chief Jim Polak said he was immature.

So Loehmann transferred this March to Cleveland's Fourth District, which has the highest homicide rate in the city. "He loved the action," Loehmann's father would ​later explain.

http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/the-cleveland-cop-w...

AreOut

3,658 posts

161 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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US has almost million police officers, must appear a psycho or two among all of them.

BlackLabel

Original Poster:

13,251 posts

123 months

Friday 12th June 2015
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bbc said:
A policeman who shot and killed a 12-year-old boy in Cleveland, Ohio, should be charged with murder, says a judge.
Tamir Rice was shown on CCTV waving a pellet gun outside a recreation centre last November, before being shot twice. He later died in hospital.
Judge Ron Adrine said there were sufficient grounds to prosecute Officer Timothy Loehmann with murder, manslaughter and reckless homicide.
It will now be up to prosecutors to decide whether there will be charges.
Community leaders and activists this week had taken the unusual step of requesting the court to look at the case.
The judge also said another police officer, Frank Garmback, should face criminal charges.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-33104823

AreOut

3,658 posts

161 months

irocfan

40,439 posts

190 months

Saturday 13th June 2015
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definite brown trouser moment!!

FourWheelDrift

88,516 posts

284 months

Sunday 14th June 2015
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Nowhere is safe, 5 injured at New York's Waldorf Astoria hotel during a wedding reception as a gun is accidently discharged.

"Let's see if I have everything, suit, tie, cummerbund, wedding present..... Oh my gun I nearly forgot that"

http://news.sky.com/story/1501730/five-injured-in-...