Frankie Fraser RIP
Discussion
gpo746 said:
You seem rather upset.
Chill out and realise that he was just someone who is dead. YOU had no personal affiliation to him. Embrace and love those you do.
To be fair i am chilled, if you read the quotes above i have not sworn once despite the selection of filtered words by my fellow PH'er.Chill out and realise that he was just someone who is dead. YOU had no personal affiliation to him. Embrace and love those you do.
I don't morn Frankie Fraser at all, blimey i only met him once, i was just pointing out that sometimes people make themselves look a bit thick when they start going all "i'm glad he's f
king dead piece of st scumbag" about somebody they have only read about in the papers and books.now i'm a t
t as well?pete a said:
i was just pointing out that sometimes people make themselves look a bit thick when they start going all "i'm glad he's fking dead piece of st scumbag" about somebody they have only read about in the papers and books.
If you read about some of the things he's done he comes across as a pretty vile individual. Just because people have formed opinions based only on what they've read in books and newspapers doesn't make them any less valid or accurate. I think the country is better off without him and I'm glad that (at least on this thread) he's not being lauded like scumbags such as raoul Moat, Dale Cregan etc often are on places like Facebook etc.king dead piece of st scumbag" about somebody they have only read about in the papers and books.Countdown said:
If you read about some of the things he's done he comes across as a pretty vile individual. Just because people have formed opinions based only on what they've read in books and newspapers doesn't make them any less valid or accurate. I think the country is better off without him and I'm glad that (at least on this thread) he's not being lauded like scumbags such as raoul Moat, Dale Cregan etc often are on places like Facebook etc.
I don't disagree that he was a pretty vile individual, and you put your point across very well, which is different to the keyboard warrior like manner that some people seem to take on this sort of subject.Cant I point out that he did time for the crimes he was convicted of. At what point do we forgive and say "OK you have been punished for that" or should we hold a grudge against all convicted criminals forever, period? It would be a bloody long list and I suspect that more than a few on PH would appear on it will of been and have been convicted of silly things in their younger days.
Let the man rest.
Let the man rest.
Salt of the erf, innee?
Lavved his old mam an never laid a finger on nobody oo never ad it cahming.
What a load of old s
t. bks to the horrid old bd.I love the suggestion that people are 'brave' now he's dead. Absolutely right: I'd have never have dared say a word against the man I never met ever whilst he was alive in case he found out and came and got me.
I once went on one of his tours with a girlfriend on a trip to London, and to be fair it was very entertaining. I have read the odd book on the Krays etc. Frasier did come across as a strange individual and looked to get a perverse pleasure from recounting his past. He's dead, let his family etc mourn him and the rest of us just forget he existed , that's my view for what its worth.
Grumfutock said:
Cant I point out that he did time for the crimes he was convicted of. At what point do we forgive and say "OK you have been punished for that" or should we hold a grudge against all convicted criminals forever, period? It would be a bloody long list and I suspect that more than a few on PH would appear on it will of been and have been convicted of silly things in their younger days.
I doubt anyone here did anything like Frazer was convicted of, lets be honest he wasn't convicted of doing silly things, they were downright cruel things, he was indeed punished and did his time but does that really mean he should be forgiven ? I don't think so.Grumfutock said:
Let the man rest.
I doubt anything posted here will make him turn in his grave.Corpulent Tosser said:
Grumfutock said:
Cant I point out that he did time for the crimes he was convicted of. At what point do we forgive and say "OK you have been punished for that" or should we hold a grudge against all convicted criminals forever, period? It would be a bloody long list and I suspect that more than a few on PH would appear on it will of been and have been convicted of silly things in their younger days.
I doubt anyone here did anything like Frazer was convicted of, lets be honest he wasn't convicted of doing silly things, they were downright cruel things, he was indeed punished and did his time but does that really mean he should be forgiven ? I don't think so.Grumfutock said:
Let the man rest.
I doubt anything posted here will make him turn in his grave.Grumfutock said:
Indeed he was found guilty of some nasty things but he was locked up for that. Are we to continue to condemn and punish?
Not punish, no point now anyway is there, but I am perfectly OK with him being condemned.
Grumfutock said:
Neither do I but that wasn't really the point now was it.
What was the point ?Someone posted RIP Fraser, others pointed out that he was a nasty piece of work, I am in the latter camp.
If he is to be remembered at all, and unfortunately he will be, it should be as the cruel person he was.
Corpulent Tosser said:
What was the point ?
Someone posted RIP Fraser, others pointed out that he was a nasty piece of work, I am in the latter camp.
If he is to be remembered at all, and unfortunately he will be, it should be as the cruel person he was.
OK. I just hope people think happy thoughts when you pass although I doubt you will care Someone posted RIP Fraser, others pointed out that he was a nasty piece of work, I am in the latter camp.
If he is to be remembered at all, and unfortunately he will be, it should be as the cruel person he was.
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