Burglars savage attack on academic
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fido said:
pointless blaming individual nationalities and what not - but some sort of border control so criminal checks can be carried out before issuing a visa is required.
^This. No border checks or controls is where the blame should be. That, of course, was a New Labour idea.You do, eventually, then have to look at the sheer volume of immigrants and say that, short of ignoring or re-negotiating EU rules, we will struggle to adequately meet the (possibly spurious in any case) 100,000 a year government target and to effectively screen every one. Even the French are telling us that the UK needs to deter immigrants - the writing is clearly on the wall.
fido said:
I live close by to this shocking incident and there is a huge shortage of builders in what is an expensive area - pointless blaming individual nationalities and what not - but some sort of border control so criminal checks can be carried out before issuing a visa is required.
If there is a huge shortage of builders it is because they've all packed it in after being constantly undercut, and because no firms can be bothered to train youngsters, they just expect employees to magically appear with the obscure 'qualification' they want (which many foreigners are willing to just fake).On the flip side, what right do we have to take a large number of skilled Polish doctors that have been trained at Polish taxpayer expense?
Guam said:
superkartracer said:
But that's fine as they contribute to our economy in so many ways apparently!And this lot..
superkartracer said:
Are people actually going to start doing something about this, or are we simply going to sit back... whine and let everything turn to s
te.
Jeesus H, get some perspective. That fella's face is a mess and this was a terrible crime but it's hardly anything new for people to get burgled or beaten up. The level of ste.teness has been fairly steady state if not reducing for years.FredClogs said:
superkartracer said:
Are people actually going to start doing something about this, or are we simply going to sit back... whine and let everything turn to ste.
Jeesus H, get some perspective. That fella's face is a mess and this was a terrible crime but it's hardly anything new for people to get burgled or beaten up. The level of ste.teness has been fairly steady state if not reducing for years.Like this?
FredClogs said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10285564/Police-do-not-investigate-six-out-of-10-reported-crimes-admits-chief-constable.htmlsuperkartracer said:
FredClogs said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10285564/Police-do-not-investigate-six-out-of-10-reported-crimes-admits-chief-constable.htmlhttp://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-st...
And besides since when was 100% ever recorded? Do you think in the good old days 100% of all crime was reported and followed up by Sherlock of the Yard?
Guardian article fails to mention nationality... http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/26/fou...Meanwhile in the real world:
Telegraph said:
Polish gang who attacked professor had criminal records in home country
It emerged that the gang were all career criminals. Their ringleader was on the run from a Polish prison and had already served three sentences for a gun attack, theft, burglary and drugs offences.
He and all three other accomplices have convictions in their home country including similar, violent robberies.
The revelations will raise further questions about checks on violent EU nationals coming to Britain, following the murder of schoolgirl Alice Gross by Latvian Arnis Zalkains who police later discovered was a convicted killer.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11257058/Polish-gang-who-attacked-professor-had-criminal-records-in-home-country.htmlIt emerged that the gang were all career criminals. Their ringleader was on the run from a Polish prison and had already served three sentences for a gun attack, theft, burglary and drugs offences.
He and all three other accomplices have convictions in their home country including similar, violent robberies.
The revelations will raise further questions about checks on violent EU nationals coming to Britain, following the murder of schoolgirl Alice Gross by Latvian Arnis Zalkains who police later discovered was a convicted killer.
BlackLabel said:
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"Their ringleader was on the run from a Polish prison "
Were we not told only a few weeks ago that the European arrest warrant should stop such cases?
The european arrest warrants the UK police are getting are mostly for foreign criminals too rather than brits, the UK police then have spend time to track them down using up manpower and cash that could be used on solving other crimes. "Their ringleader was on the run from a Polish prison "
Were we not told only a few weeks ago that the European arrest warrant should stop such cases?
In 2013:
2,495 Incoming European Arrest Warrants, only 102 for British nationals. So that is 7 foreign criminals, with crimes serious enough to want them extradited, each and every day!
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
Mr GrimNasty said:
If there is a huge shortage of builders it is because they've all packed it in after being constantly undercut
Nope, just an outright shortage. I'm still paying top dollar to a Polish/Albanian geezer instead of the English guy I used to use but has far too much work on (and is hiring Polish guys to fill out his teams). There maybe cheapo builders about (and no doubt some of them might have spent more time robbing people than labouring) but for the same quality, same price.FredClogs said:
superkartracer said:
FredClogs said:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10285564/Police-do-not-investigate-six-out-of-10-reported-crimes-admits-chief-constable.htmlhttp://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/crime-stats/crime-st...
And besides since when was 100% ever recorded? Do you think in the good old days 100% of all crime was reported and followed up by Sherlock of the Yard?
There is something very very wrong with the numbers , you only have to look around to see the UK is turning to s
te.Hardly any cybercrime is reported, child abuse goes unreported, rape unreported ... all the odd things these ethnic groups do to each other go unreported... it's a mess.
Look beyond the numbers and pretty charts and take a walk around some of the Uk's delightful inner-city areas.
How can crime be going down when the dross from the EU and wider world are flooding into the UK?
Edited by superkartracer on Thursday 27th November 13:26
superkartracer said:
How can crime be going down when the dross from the EU and wider world is flooding into the UK?
Crime statistics are manipulated, says police chiefsuperkartracer said:
They've just spoken to a friend of his on LBC - though she didn't sound like the most credible character witness!Interviewer: "What did your friend do for a living?"
Woman: "Err .. I think he was a builder!"
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