A mile long illegal waste tip in Essex.

[Dog Star]

Mr GrimNasty said:

No the problem is ideological, mostly EU imposed, extortionate charges for landfill.

Bing! And just wait and see what happens when councils start charging by the kilo for your wheelie bin: I can just see Joe Scrote and the "I'm all right Jack" crowd paying that. Not.

[don4l]

hidetheelephants said:

This is a direct result of our arse-about-face waste laws; bin charging for waste and add it onto VAT.

With Landfill tax at £80.00 a ton, it is no surprise that people fly tip.

[Kermit power]

Considering some of the parts of Essex I've been through, surely the sensible choice would've been to fly tip it somewhere that nobody would notice the difference?

Harlow station springs to mind as an obvious destination.

[rs1952]

Mr GrimNasty said:

Symbolica said:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/feb/28...

^ There's one problem - they just don't have the manpower to enforce and prosecute a lot of waste crimes anymore.

No the problem is ideological, mostly EU imposed, extortionate charges for landfill.

The idea of landfill tax is to encourage recycling and reducing the need for landfill.

I can't speak for Essex, but closer to me Somerset CC have introduced charges for people who use their recycling centres. Now they're on the news complaining about an increase in fly tipping in the county.

Well, who'd a thunk it

[truck71]

rs1952 said:

More to the point, how the screaming feck can somebody manage to dump that much stuff and not be spotted doing it?

It's not as though it all came off the back of one single flatbed at 2 o'clock in the morning

I think it was only when it got to a mile long that someone suggested it may not be just a regular Purfleet scene.

[anonymous-user]

How can they tell what is a worthless pile of trash and what is just Essex?

[Mr GrimNasty]

rs1952 said:

Mr GrimNasty said:

Symbolica said:

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/feb/28...

^ There's one problem - they just don't have the manpower to enforce and prosecute a lot of waste crimes anymore.

No the problem is ideological, mostly EU imposed, extortionate charges for landfill.

The idea of landfill tax is to encourage recycling and reducing the need for landfill.

I can't speak for Essex, but closer to me Somerset CC have introduced charges for people who use their recycling centres. Now they're on the news complaining about an increase in fly tipping in the county.

Well, who'd a thunk it

It's still ideological, not pragmatic or worthwhile, if it's uneconomical to recycle stuff that has no value, making it cheaper to 'recycle' it and set fire to it in a 'storage facility' somewhere rather than spending £tax to bury it is nothing but futile politics. Making it expensive to bury, just causes problems, as we see. It doesn't save the planet.

[rs1952]

Mr GrimNasty said:

It doesn't save the planet.

But it does save trying to find new and exciting places to bury the stuff

[southendpier]

Expect the local council enforcement will find any named business waste eg letterhead and make a visit to the said business with a threaten of a fine for incorrect disposal.

As they did with my business when some prick removed our waste from our commercial bin so they could dump an armchair in it.

[Digga]

Hooli said:

Foppo said:

where is our police to stop this happening.

Hiding, real criminals are scary dangerous people so plod avoid them.

TBF when we have had travellers, the police will go and talk to them. In fact, on one occasion it was a WPC, solo - fair play.

However, I don't like to rely on the police and I can't ask employees to intervene as, IMHO, it is above and beyond anyone's pay grade to risk a beating in order to save company property from theft or damage, so I do it myself. I know I will likely be thrown off PH for saying this, but I am neither strong nor powerfully built and do not have a goatee (although, in my defence, I do hold a couple of directorships) so all this sort of face to face discussion is high risk and, frankly, frightening.

The law is a disgrace, given the damage and litter concerned with some (not all) traveller's camps. I know and the police know, it is not normally possible to move the camp immediately (the norm is a 3 day turnaround with the courts at best so I simply make sure I'm out there in a polite "don't give us trouble and we'll leave you alone" sort of way. Thus far it has worked and we've avoided the nuisance other businesses have suffered. In this day and age in the UK, with a lack of waste land to use and with our increasing awareness of the damage done by litter and fly tipping, there isn't really any place for this sort of throwback lifestyle, any more than I would be tolerated hunting my dinner with a spear, dressed in animal furs on Richmond Park.

[Stevanos]

Jasandjules said:

Quite. I drove past a caravan site the other day and it was like Singapore, everything neat and tidy, no fires, no dogs running loose, no bedraggled horses tied up etc..

Got to keep the local recreation ground tidy when camped out on it!

[LucreLout]

fblm said:

How can they tell what is a worthless pile of trash and what is just Essex?

The trash that's orange is just Essex.