USA people have crap holidays from work
Discussion
mybrainhurts said:
28-32 days? Bloody hell, when did such generosity begin?
28 days is the legal minimum across the EU ( 20 days leave + bank holidays)33 days is fairly common in the UK as well ( 25 +8)
the NHS starts at 27 + 8 ( the 26th and 27th day were IIRC a hang over from something to do with pre 1974 community services when they were run by local authorities and having 'bank holiday tuesdays' )
this further increases after 5 years service to 29 + 8 and after 10 years to 33+8.
with regard tothe person talking aobut having up to 10 unoffical days - is this not a form of TOIL ?
EDLT said:
I feel this well received Cadillac advert is relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGJSI48gkFc
I find that advert rather depressing.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGJSI48gkFc
Sheepshanks said:
We employee people in France and the amount of time off they have is ludicrous. Some months they don't work a full week.
I don't think it's as bad as it used to be in the US - most high-tech firms seem to shut between Christmas and New Year now, when time was they'd just have Christmas Day off.
I felt sorry for a couple I sat next to when I flew back from the US recently - they were touring London and Paris, for 5 days. Long way to come for a few days. When we go to the US on holiday we go for 3 weeks.
It isn't just France. Germany is much the same. 28 days of paid leave is the standard, plus a raft of bank holidays that vary by state. Sick days are unlimited.I don't think it's as bad as it used to be in the US - most high-tech firms seem to shut between Christmas and New Year now, when time was they'd just have Christmas Day off.
I felt sorry for a couple I sat next to when I flew back from the US recently - they were touring London and Paris, for 5 days. Long way to come for a few days. When we go to the US on holiday we go for 3 weeks.
Friends and family in the States think I'm taking the piss when describing the benefits over here. It was bad enough when I was there, but has gotten worse in most industries in the past 10 years. The Orwellian language is also amusing, "right-to-work" states for example. Many people are too brainwashed to ever notice though. Then you get the special snowflakes who describe such conditions as "motivational"
scherzkeks said:
It isn't just France. Germany is much the same. 28 days of paid leave is the standard, plus a raft of bank holidays that vary by state. Sick days are unlimited.
Friends and family in the States think I'm taking the piss when describing the benefits over here. It was bad enough when I was there, but has gotten worse in most industries in the past 10 years. The Orwellian language is also amusing, "right-to-work" states for example. Many people are too brainwashed to ever notice though. Then you get the special snowflakes who describe such conditions as "motivational"
Lucky if you live in Bayern, crap if you live in Hessen Friends and family in the States think I'm taking the piss when describing the benefits over here. It was bad enough when I was there, but has gotten worse in most industries in the past 10 years. The Orwellian language is also amusing, "right-to-work" states for example. Many people are too brainwashed to ever notice though. Then you get the special snowflakes who describe such conditions as "motivational"
This was very good year for extra holidays as a lot of Bank Holidays fell on Thursday so quite a few people were given the Friday off too. I wasn't one of them
My girlfriend gets 40 days holiday per year but can only take that in the summer but is theoretically on call for the rest of the year.
Fittster said:
NinjaPower said:
Fittster said:
That's capitalism for you, be glad you've got a job but you'll have to accept ever worse terms and conditions if you want to keep it.
My experience does not match yours. I work for a real 'decadent western capitalist pig' type company with a lot of employees and my terms and conditions are really good.
Same as the other private companies I have worked for.
Jimbeaux said:
Perhaps that is why we have better service, etc here; being replaced by someone better is a motivator. 
pehaps that is why we rarely have disgruntled ex employees going on a bender then returning to their old work place and shooting the boss dead ,having worked for a large multi national american company in the uk it became apparent that the all the team building stuff they pushed was b
ks. the main goal seemed to be to get as high up the management ladder as possible to increase the settlement when the eventual sacking,the ultimate goal was senior management where the bonuses were structured similar to the banking industry here ,and severance payments if confidentiality agreements were signed were large.
the best way to progress appeared to be agreeing with absolutely everything an immediate superior said as dissent was guaranteed to end in dismissal. this was hilarious when senior management personnel changed and the new top man would announce a completely opposite strategy to his predecessor and the underlings would announce their buy in to something which they had recently rubbished or been pushing the complete opposite viewpoint to the workforce.
all very false ,absolutely no loyalty and a distinct lack of common sense . massaging senior executive ego was far more important than actually improving company performance.
i later learned this particular company was regarded as one of the s
ttier ones in the industry in the us ,but it soured my opinion of american companies and these days there is no way i would ever work for another.unless it was in the states and i had access to guns I get the minimum 20 plus 8 Bank Holidays.
Earlier on in the year there was loads of overtime that needed doing and I was given the choice to take the extra hours as holiday.
Then all of the extra holiday I had accumulated mysteriously disappeared but some AP Lockheed discs that were exactly the same size as the knackered ones on my car appeared on the goods in bench in equally mysterious circumstances...
Earlier on in the year there was loads of overtime that needed doing and I was given the choice to take the extra hours as holiday.
Then all of the extra holiday I had accumulated mysteriously disappeared
but some AP Lockheed discs that were exactly the same size as the knackered ones on my car appeared on the goods in bench in equally mysterious circumstances...Hoofy said:
I understand US employees don't get the same protection UK employees do. If they don't like you, they just let you go.
It's not quite like that..........As for holidays, they're crap. I get 2 weeks paid vacation a year plus public holidays (forget GW b'day, Columbus day, MLK day, Veterans day - only Public workers get those days off)). So I take unpaid leave when I need it (this year I had 3 weeks in the UK, 10 days in Jamaica etc..). Whilst the holidays are crap the pay is a lot better, we pay less tax and the cost of living is lower. Because of the labor laws here it's also much easier to hire people and much easier to be entrepreneurial. European labour laws stifle business.
unrepentant said:
<snip> Because of the labor laws here it's also much easier to hire people and much easier to be entrepreneurial. European labour laws stifle business.
hiring isn't the problem is it ? really ? it;s firing that's the 'problem' unless you are SrAlanas for stifling business - is it such as 'stifling' regime that you actually have to have evidence that someone should be dismissed ? ( and remember it's very easy in the first year / two years as it stands).
I worked in the UK for 10 years, I don't think anyone ever took close to their entitled holiday, I don't even know what mine was. I think I must have 'lost' at least 2 or 3 weeks vacation every year. In the US I had 2 weeks but no one cared so long as the work got done so I used to pretty much do a 4 day week, although some weeks I'd take the pi55 and do 3, much to my American colleagues bemusement. Their bank holidays don't seem to mean much they seem to work most of them except thanksgiving and Independence Day. I refused to observe the later, traitorous colonials.
A lot of the posters on here have me foaming with envy. I get standard amount of holidays, but it never seems enough to get the years things done.
That Cadillac advert needs to have naked women in it or something as the cringe factor became so great i almost swallowed my face. Just something to drown out all that smugness and self satisfaction because all Americans took the first flight, because all Americans are going to walk on the moon.
That Cadillac advert needs to have naked women in it or something as the cringe factor became so great i almost swallowed my face. Just something to drown out all that smugness and self satisfaction because all Americans took the first flight, because all Americans are going to walk on the moon.
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