Russel Brand nobbled for being a hypocrite

[pork911]

turbobloke said:

pork911 said:

Fittster said:

Allowing high levels of inequality damages GDP growth and hence government revenues.

http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economic...

http://www.postkeynesian.net/downloads/wpaper/PKWP...

you say that like it isn't an opinion

The Ecommunist Link said:

Inequality is more closely correlated with low growth

Correlation does not imply causation. As per "it may not be inequality itself that harms growth but rather governments that tax and spend to try to reduce it" or indeed some other factor.

...and anyway it is 'economics'

[e21Mark]

Met Brand a couple of times through work. I'm not a particular fan of his comedy, although that's subjective anyway, but he was a decent guy and very generous with both his time and money.

[turbobloke]

pork911 said:

turbobloke said:

pork911 said:

Fittster said:

Allowing high levels of inequality damages GDP growth and hence government revenues.

http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economic...

http://www.postkeynesian.net/downloads/wpaper/PKWP...

you say that like it isn't an opinion

The Ecommunist Link said:

Inequality is more closely correlated with low growth

Correlation does not imply causation. As per "it may not be inequality itself that harms growth but rather governments that tax and spend to try to reduce it" or indeed some other factor.

...and anyway it is 'economics'

...where if you line up all the economists in the world they don't reach as far as a conclusion.

[burwoodman]

Axionknight said:

A hypocritical, holier than thou, prick of a man, I much preferred him when he stuck to being a crap comedian, now he walks around criticising all and sundry whilst being no better himself I really cannot abide the man.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Many seem to have a very short memory or are just obtuse. Brand quite literally married Hollywood, lived in LA and we didn't hear a whisper of his Socialist drivel.

[Legend83]

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/nov/29/russe...

Presumably won't be using Harper Collins to publish Booky Wooky 3 then???

[burwoodman]

Legend83 said:

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/nov/29/russe...

Presumably won't be using Harper Collins to publish Booky Wooky 3 then???

Learnt something new about him. He was also a benefits cheat.

[paranoid airbag]

Pentoman said:

Just because you're successful in a system, that doesn't make it unacceptable to criticise that system. If the system benefits someone, and that person still wants to change it, I would say that takes some courage. More cynical people like to keep whatever benefits them, to the detriment of others. This is called a vested interest.

Is it also hypocritical for a Conservative prime minister to criticise the British government? Just because he benefits from that government, that system?

Partaking in something doesn't render you unable to criticise it. Could I suggest that it gives your criticism some merit.

Having said all this, in all corners there are those that seek to criticise people who they do not understand or know anything about. I'm sure these people make up some of his followers, and I don't care for it.

You're making that mistake of thinking the people levelling accusations of hypocrisy are actually arguing.

Intellectual equivalents or superiors attack arguments. Only simpletons attack the people making them.

[Koofler]

Given the damage that Champagne Socialism has done to this country, I suppose we should be thankful that we didn't have Cocaine Socialists running (ruining) the joint.....

[The Don of Croy]

Not sure why the fuss? The residents of the 'New Era Estate' are worried about the new owners re-developing and pushing up rents to a 'market level', but why do they benefit from below 'market level' rates now?

The market is going up - perhaps not helped by wealthy incomers renting bijou flats at £5000 per month in former warehouses that provided employment for locals...

Asking D. Cameron to come out of 'his' house and help the 92 families (none of whom have actually been served with notice to quit) seems a little excessive given that he might - just might - have other business to attend to.

They probably won't be the last London community caught up in the house-price-bubble-horror.

[number 46]

The Don of Croy said:

Not sure why the fuss? The residents of the 'New Era Estate' are worried about the new owners re-developing and pushing up rents to a 'market level', but why do they benefit from below 'market level' rates now?

The market is going up - perhaps not helped by wealthy incomers renting bijou flats at £5000 per month in former warehouses that provided employment for locals...

Asking D. Cameron to come out of 'his' house and help the 92 families (none of whom have actually been served with notice to quit) seems a little excessive given that he might - just might - have other business to attend to.

They probably won't be the last London community caught up in the house-price-bubble-horror.

Absolutely right, but it does get you sts loads of free publuicity, massages your ego and sells lots of your books before christmas !!!!!

[oyster]

Guam said:

oyster said:

You haven't really understood the meaning of hypocrisy have you?

Can you find a source or quote where Russel Brand has campaigned for rich people to give their wealth away?

He's an odious cretin possibly, but to accuse someone of hypocrisy without understanding the meaning is a bit sad.

Far from my lacking understanding if one believes this from Wikki (and any number of Online dictionaries), I seem to understand it very well, perhaps you should take time out to peruse a dictionary before criticising others for lack of understanding.

He is hypocritical on so many levels its unreal.

"Hypocrisy is the claim or pretense of holding beliefs, feelings, standards, qualities, opinions, behaviors, virtues, motivations, or other characteristics that one does not in actual fact hold. It is the practice of engaging in the same behavior or activity for which one criticizes another.[1][2] In moral psychology, it is the failure to follow one’s own expressed moral rules and principles.[3]"

His constant rants against the "multinationals" whilst being happy to take the dough from those same multinationals (publisher list I posted yesterday) is but one glaring example of this!

As I understand it, he campaigns for those multi-nationals to pay more tax. Just becaise he takes that view, why should that preclude him from then using the services of such multi-nationals? How is that hypocritical?

Is he asking people to boycott those companies whilst using them himself? If he was then that would be hypocrisy.

[FredClogs]

Guam said:

oyster said:

As I understand it, he campaigns for those multi-nationals to pay more tax. Just becaise he takes that view, why should that preclude him from then using the services of such multi-nationals? How is that hypocritical?

Is he asking people to boycott those companies whilst using them himself? If he was then that would be hypocrisy.

Here's a thought go away and review his collected rants over the last few years, check out the protests he attends, try and decipher his drivel if you can (he won an award today for his singular lack of eloquence and clarity)

The Sun has him branded as a hypocrite on their front page, over him paying huge amounts of rent to what they allege are tax avoiding landlords.

It is just not this humble poster who views him as a hypocrite it would appear (the meaning being posted above to assist you in your review of my posts).

An appeal to the front page of the Sun to win a fairly nuanced argument is ridiculous, but you know that, don't you?

[Abagnale]

Guam said:

The Sun has him branded as a hypocrite on their front page, over him paying huge amounts of rent to what they allege are tax avoiding landlords.

I'm in fact no fan of Russell Brand, but last time I rented a flat, I also failed to undertake a detailed analysis of my landlord's moral. ethical & legal stance on many issues, including tax. Did you?

Because if you didn't, that could be construed as you know, hypocrisy on your part, assuming you have a strong moral stance on paying due taxes to fund the state.

Or perhaps another way of looking at it would be to suggest the whole point & laugh argument from post number one is a tissue of nonsense, driven by personal dislike to a delighted partisan crowd for the purposes of huge bias confirmation.

Can you honestly not find better uses for your time?

[Abagnale]

Guam said:

Ooh I don't know, can you not find better uses for YOUR time than suggesting I find better uses for mine, as I control my own time I can spend what I deign appropriate on here, presumably you have the same privilege?

In the mean time according to the Indy he is threatening to sue the Sun (allegedly)

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/russell-b...

How about answering the question I asked? Do you make thorough checks into every transaction you enter into or are you too a hypocrite based on your own arguments?

[Abagnale]

Guam said:

Oh now a strawman, as I dont hold myself up to be the hero of the "working class and downtrodden" I have no such need.

Try again old son, oh I have never sought celebrity status either!

No, not at all a strawman and how about answering the question? Your opening post linked the Brand C4 news interview in which O'Brien attempted to connect brands house value with his campaigning for the New Era residents & subsequently, you've gone on to link that rental with the Sun's story on how his landlord is an alleged tax dodger, as further evidence of his hypocrisy.

So, I ask you again. Do you avoid this by thoroughly researching everyone with whom you trade?

[Oakey]

oyster said:

Is he asking people to boycott those companies whilst using them himself? If he was then that would be hypocrisy.

How about 'bashing bankers' whilst taking their money for investment in his films?

https://www.accountancylive.com/bank-basher-russel...

[Abagnale]

Guam said:

What I do in business is no ones concern, I as I have said do not court the public eye, nor do I tell others how they should live whilst doing pretty much the same things privately so its not about me now is it?

Its about Brand and my opinion of him as well as the article which first kicked this off, I am not making linkages (as much as you would like me to) I am just indicating I am from being alone in that view.

Is that clear enough for you|?

No not really. His fame is immaterial, it's purely a construct of your own making & whats more, since you started this thread, it's for you to be beyond reproach yourself or on your own terms, you're no better.

We both know the reason you're avoiding answering is because you don't look into your suppliers. Nearly all of us don't, it's a practical impossibility & that my friend is the true strawman.

[e21Mark]

Guam said:

oyster said:

As I understand it, he campaigns for those multi-nationals to pay more tax. Just becaise he takes that view, why should that preclude him from then using the services of such multi-nationals? How is that hypocritical?

Is he asking people to boycott those companies whilst using them himself? If he was then that would be hypocrisy.

The Sun has him branded as a hypocrite on their front page, over him paying huge amounts of rent to what they allege are tax avoiding landlords.

Well it must be true then.

[London424]

Abagnale said:

Guam said:

What I do in business is no ones concern, I as I have said do not court the public eye, nor do I tell others how they should live whilst doing pretty much the same things privately so its not about me now is it?

Its about Brand and my opinion of him as well as the article which first kicked this off, I am not making linkages (as much as you would like me to) I am just indicating I am from being alone in that view.

Is that clear enough for you|?

No not really. His fame is immaterial, it's purely a construct of your own making & whats more, since you started this thread, it's for you to be beyond reproach yourself or on your own terms, you're no better.

We both know the reason you're avoiding answering is because you don't look into your suppliers. Nearly all of us don't, it's a practical impossibility & that my friend is the true strawman.

What on earth are you on about?

[Abagnale]

Guam said:

the rent issue and the interview that kicked this off was the reason for the thread starting, because as stated earlier,

I know, you called it 'class' and 'not before time'. I'm simply pointing out the absurdity of thinking there's any validity that particular canard of an argument for having a go at him.

Interesting that you tried every switch in the book when I persisted though, from Strawman, to changing the subject to none of my business to he's famous, serves him right.

You're a slippery little eel, I'll give you that.