Russel Brand nobbled for being a hypocrite
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King 
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said: No, people in the west are born under capitalism, they don't get to choose which system they live under. It's like medieval times when, if you were born in the England, you lived in a catholic christian country and you had to be a catholic christian or you'd starve. If you live in a capitalist country you can't choose to be something else.
The UK is in the EU, just as much as France or Romania, therefore by your logic he shouldn't criticise the EU.
Being rich and criticising capitalism is no more hypocritical than being poor and supporting capitalism. By your logic I could say aren't rich enough to support capitalism unless you have over, let's say, £1bn assets...
Not everyone born in the West was born under capitalism, but they have subsequently moved towards it on a democratic process.The UK is in the EU, just as much as France or Romania, therefore by your logic he shouldn't criticise the EU.
Being rich and criticising capitalism is no more hypocritical than being poor and supporting capitalism. By your logic I could say aren't rich enough to support capitalism unless you have over, let's say, £1bn assets...
Edited by King on Tuesday 2nd December 14:11
on Tuesday 2nd December 14:11Under Mr Brands idealistic vision.
The rich would lose their right to be successful and affluent.
The poor would lose their right to be successful and affluent.
Everyone would be dragged down to the lowest common denominator..... (except for the existing rich oligarchs where we have seen this ideology happen before) Perhaps that is why Mr Brand is happy to keep on piling his wealth up whilst preaching a cause the majority would not agree with.
Stevanos said:
Not everyone born in the West was born under capitalism, but they have subsequently moved towards it on a democratic process.
Under Mr Brands idealistic vision.
The rich would lose their right to be successful and affluent.
The poor would lose their right to be successful and affluent.
Everyone would be dragged down to the lowest common denominator..... (except for the existing rich oligarchs where we have seen this ideology happen before) Perhaps that is why Mr Brand is happy to keep on piling his wealth up whilst preaching a cause the majority would not agree with.
Ok, but the fall of the iron curtain was a one off event and only affected one generation of eastern block citizens. Nobody born subsequently has been offered the choice. (And I'm not arguing they wish to leave capitalism, just that they've had no alternative choice). Under Mr Brands idealistic vision.
The rich would lose their right to be successful and affluent.
The poor would lose their right to be successful and affluent.
Everyone would be dragged down to the lowest common denominator..... (except for the existing rich oligarchs where we have seen this ideology happen before) Perhaps that is why Mr Brand is happy to keep on piling his wealth up whilst preaching a cause the majority would not agree with.
Just as there are many forms of christianity - catholic, protestant, eastern orthodox - there are many interpretations of capitalism and you would be unhappy living under some of them. 80's Colombia was a capitalist state run by drug cartels, murder was rife and thousands of innocent people who had nothing to do with drugs died. The Medallin Cartel made vast fortunes, so vast that they had difficulty laundering their profits. Your argument suggests those innocent people had no right to complain.
All types of society have pros and cons. Capitalism has pros and cons, everyone within capitalism has the right to criticise it.
Stevanos said:
That could be the case, but from what I can see the rent contracts come to an end next year, probably before the renovations and expansions of the dwellings are complete. It just looks like someone is willing to bring the property in to modern shape and charge the realistic local rent for it once they are done on new contracts. I can understand the peoples upset, but could they sit their for years in property on extremely low rent and expect the NEW landlord to foot the bill on modernising the property.
It should have been going like that and i dare say they aren't paying extremely low rents just far less than that property might now be able to attract given its undoubtably substantially higher value. The original owner will have done his sums to service any debt repairs etc set the rents accordingly and sat back to watch the rent roll in and generate a nice income for himself, all well and good. The tenants except their rental contracts and no doubt annual increases to allow for inflation and adjust for service charge costs etc. Property prices go mental the original owner wants out or dies and those inheriting do and it comes to something like this.
My point, if I have one!, is you could be rich or poor and have a range of opinions from "that's life" to that is " a social injustice".
Capitalism doesn't have to be completely about screwing everyone for every penny you possibly can, perhaps I'm a bit soft but there can be room for some social conscience, no?
Russell isn't rich compared to the families that he is calling out against.
http://www.thrivemovement.com/followthemoneypyrami...
Basically if the system was not corrupt then we would not have private entities running the financial supply of the world. The Bank of England is privately owned. Our Government pay interest on all loans/"quantitative easing" generated from the Bank of England.
Our entire economy system is based on debt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov2Sd-QRi_g
So to pay back the debt we would have to return every £ to the Bank of England but that wouldn't clear the debt because interest is generated on the original loan.
Iceland nationalised their bank after the crisis and imprisoned bankers because of theirnegligence fraud. Iceland is now financially healthier because of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64eI831eKY8
Ignore Russell's rhetoric and look at the issue he is trying to highlight instead.
There is an economic world war unfolding...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP7L8bw5QF4
http://www.thrivemovement.com/followthemoneypyrami...
Basically if the system was not corrupt then we would not have private entities running the financial supply of the world. The Bank of England is privately owned. Our Government pay interest on all loans/"quantitative easing" generated from the Bank of England.
Our entire economy system is based on debt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov2Sd-QRi_g
So to pay back the debt we would have to return every £ to the Bank of England but that wouldn't clear the debt because interest is generated on the original loan.
Iceland nationalised their bank after the crisis and imprisoned bankers because of their
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64eI831eKY8
Ignore Russell's rhetoric and look at the issue he is trying to highlight instead.
There is an economic world war unfolding...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP7L8bw5QF4
Edited by remkingston on Tuesday 2nd December 15:38
Edited by remkingston on Tuesday 2nd December 15:38
remkingston said:
Iceland nationalised their bank after the crisis and imprisoned bankers because of their negligence. Iceland is now financially healthy because of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64eI831eKY8
That's not an argument against Capitalism - it's an argument against being in the EU!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64eI831eKY8
Also Iceland are still in the process of negotiating repayment of outstanding amounts in exchange for relaxation of capital controls (try taking funds out of Iceland?!) - it's not like they got off scot free. Default comes with huge currency devaluation and a hit on your credit rating (leading to higher interest rates in the short-medium term and/or capital controls). Though arguably better than being locked in a currency union. Anyway back to the beardy champagne socialist hypocrite then ..
Edited by fido on Tuesday 2nd December 15:20
fido said:
remkingston said:
Iceland nationalised their bank after the crisis and imprisoned bankers because of their negligence. Iceland is now financially healthy because of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64eI831eKY8
That's not an argument against Capitalism - it's an argument against being in the EU!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64eI831eKY8
Also Iceland are still in the process of negotiating repayment of outstanding amounts in exchange for relaxation of capital controls (try taking funds out of Iceland?!) - it's not like they got off scot free.
I'm not arguing against Capitalism but corruption within the system. Why should a private entity supply a Government with its money and interest? It is a unsustainable system that makes the rich richer (those that control it) and the poor worse off.
remkingston said:
Iceland nationalised their bank after the crisis and imprisoned bankers because of their negligence.
Not negligence - fraud. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25349240
Disastrous said:
Tyre Tread said:
Don't make me laugh!
That's his speciality, in fairness.If that's his speciality then I'd hate to see what he alleges to be bad at.
The man is, as said before, a self publicising monumental prick of epic proportions.
nikaiyo2 said:
Stevanos said:
He has been very outspoken lately and he is now using his fame to move a political cause forward (nothing wrong with that generally speaking) however he can't have it both ways, if he wants to leverage his fame in the media, he should expect to come under some scrutiny and in this instance he lost control and looked stupid, to the point where he appeared to be hiding from some awkward facts!
He is moving a political cause forward, or is he just promoting his book? The book that he obviously receives no income from as that would be dirty profit... LOLTyre Tread said:
Disastrous said:
Tyre Tread said:
Don't make me laugh!
That's his speciality, in fairness.If that's his speciality then I'd hate to see what he alleges to be bad at.
The man is, as said before, a self publicising monumental prick of epic proportions.
This year Warren Buffet gave $2.8billion to the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation to subsidies the poor and raise the living standards of those unable to do the job for themselves - is he a massive hypocrite?
The ability of some on these forums to be able to exclude any kind of cognitive dissonance from their lives is truly scary - you people are quite literally mental, and by literally I mean literally, not literally like not literally.
The ability of some on these forums to be able to exclude any kind of cognitive dissonance from their lives is truly scary - you people are quite literally mental, and by literally I mean literally, not literally like not literally.
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