Jihadists and Women

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NailedOn

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3,114 posts

234 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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Rayy said:
Rabbis can marry. And only the tiny percentage of the most extremely 'orthodox' expect of their wives what is described earlier.

I have a good friend who is a Rabbi - none of the above applies. His wife wears her own hair and runs her own business, to boot.
Good for the Rabbi. I doubt he'll be donning a suicide vest anytime soon!
Am I missing something here about hair?

standards

1,117 posts

217 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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fesuvious said:
A group of people who hold high the values of a man who married a six year old girl, and had sex with her when she was nine.

Nil issues at all, they're all sane.
Just remind us how old Henry VII's mum was when she got pregnant with him.

Attitudes to women we now find unacceptable are common in our less enlightened past, across religions and cultures. Sadly.

heppers75

3,135 posts

216 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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standards said:
fesuvious said:
A group of people who hold high the values of a man who married a six year old girl, and had sex with her when she was nine.

Nil issues at all, they're all sane.
Just remind us how old Henry VII's mum was when she got pregnant with him.

Attitudes to women we now find unacceptable are common in our less enlightened past, across religions and cultures. Sadly.
Not sure there are several million people around the globe who hold Henry VII's very word and action to the that of a deity though - either that or there is a heck of a cult we are all missing! smile

standards

1,117 posts

217 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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I think the holy people of Islam are very clear that the Prophet is not God/god.

The cult of Tudor could be an idea. Maybe a conspiracy theory for David Icke or someone.

standards

1,117 posts

217 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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fesuvious said:
heppers75 said:
standards said:
fesuvious said:
A group of people who hold high the values of a man who married a six year old girl, and had sex with her when she was nine.

Nil issues at all, they're all sane.
Just remind us how old Henry VII's mum was when she got pregnant with him.

Attitudes to women we now find unacceptable are common in our less enlightened past, across religions and cultures. Sadly.
Not sure there are several million people around the globe who hold Henry VII's very word and action to the that of a deity though - either that or there is a heck of a cult we are all missing! smile
Quite,
Muslims venerate a man who called for jihadis to 'smite the necks of unbelievers' and who considers marriage and sex with a child a-ok.



Dear Henry's followers must number in the what , 1, maybe 2? Oh, and at least his mum was of a child bearing age !
She was 12. I think if you told most parents that is childbearing territory...

And to be fair to Muslims they follow his "message fron G/god" not every aspect of his lifestyle.

I'm a Darwinist but not in respect of this quote from his journal "shall i get married or get a dog? I suppose a wife would be more agreeable"

Edited by standards on Sunday 7th December 18:36

TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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standards said:
Attitudes to women we now find unacceptable are common in our less enlightened past, across religions and cultures. Sadly.
Unfortunately true.

In late Victorian London (just 120 years ago), there was an estimate 10,000 child prostitutes. One assumes they were making a living, hence there were plenty of customers.

heppers75

3,135 posts

216 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
standards said:
Attitudes to women we now find unacceptable are common in our less enlightened past, across religions and cultures. Sadly.
Unfortunately true.

In late Victorian London (just 120 years ago), there was an estimate 10,000 child prostitutes. One assumes they were making a living, hence there were plenty of customers.
Is this the same in London today?

Attempting to divert what is quite a valid point that there is a disturbing lack of modern thinking and attitudes towards the fairer sex by a given culture supported mostly by the beliefs of a single religion by saying.. ooo look over there 120 years ago it was awful too; is not just pathetic it is self defeating!



heppers75

3,135 posts

216 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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standards said:
I think the holy people of Islam are very clear that the Prophet is not God/god.

The cult of Tudor could be an idea. Maybe a conspiracy theory for David Icke or someone.
Yet his word does seem to be somewhat sacrosanct no?

That cult though, that has to be amusing - the outfits alone would be just awesome! smile Icke... Nah - space reptiles dressed as Shakespeare operated by Freemasons... That would be more his style surely! smile

TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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heppers75 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
standards said:
Attitudes to women we now find unacceptable are common in our less enlightened past, across religions and cultures. Sadly.
Unfortunately true.

In late Victorian London (just 120 years ago), there was an estimate 10,000 child prostitutes. One assumes they were making a living, hence there were plenty of customers.
Is this the same in London today?

Attempting to divert what is quite a valid point that there is a disturbing lack of modern thinking and attitudes towards the fairer sex by a given culture supported mostly by the beliefs of a single religion by saying.. ooo look over there 120 years ago it was awful too; is not just pathetic it is self defeating!
No, it's not the same in London today.

If you read thru my posts, just on this thread, you'll see I'm the last one to defend any organised religion, as I despise them with a passion.

The point being made, and rightly too, is that you cannot fairly label someone a pedophile when it was neither illegal nor unusual in their era.

In 100 years, the age of consent my well be 30 for all I know. But it would be wrong for people in 100 years to judge us as perverts for having sex with women in their 20s.

heppers75

3,135 posts

216 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
heppers75 said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
standards said:
Attitudes to women we now find unacceptable are common in our less enlightened past, across religions and cultures. Sadly.
Unfortunately true.

In late Victorian London (just 120 years ago), there was an estimate 10,000 child prostitutes. One assumes they were making a living, hence there were plenty of customers.
Is this the same in London today?

Attempting to divert what is quite a valid point that there is a disturbing lack of modern thinking and attitudes towards the fairer sex by a given culture supported mostly by the beliefs of a single religion by saying.. ooo look over there 120 years ago it was awful too; is not just pathetic it is self defeating!
No, it's not the same in London today.

If you read thru my posts, just on this thread, you'll see I'm the last one to defend any organised religion, as I despise them with a passion.

The point being made, and rightly too, is that you cannot fairly label someone a pedophile when it was neither illegal nor unusual in their era.

In 100 years, the age of consent my well be 30 for all I know. But it would be wrong for people in 100 years to judge us as perverts for having sex with women in their 20s.
I totally agree chap...

By the same token you cannot seriously and with a straight face reasonably argue that the decidedly misogynistic, backward and moronic attitude essentially enshrined in a given religion is not in any way shape or form responsible for the many thousands of heinous acts perpetrated upon the fairer sex by the followers of it - irrespective of how many moderates of the same said religion want to wave a flag and point somewhere else to say " it is not us we are fine, look see they are just as bad".

Everytime I hear it, which happens a lot on threads here - I just think of the Picard Falm Palm meme picture.

I am a catholic, I am a really st catholic but I am one... It would be like me denying there are an overwhelming number of priests who interfered with kids - its just nonsensical.

BooHoo

165 posts

115 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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heppers75 said:
I am a really st catholic
You could convert and become a shi'ite muslim.

MentalSarcasm

6,083 posts

210 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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fesuvious said:
Have we had the 'no such thing as rape in marriage' bit yet?
If memory serves that's been suggested by both Europeans and Americans, including one of UKIP's largest financial donors.

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

254 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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grumbledoak said:
Can Rabbis marry? That would complete the Abrahamic set, as it were.
HA..thought you said rabbits. Carry on.

MrsMiggins

2,808 posts

234 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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I don't know if it's relevant, but I've just been invited to participate in a mentoring program at work and pretty much all the proposed activities fall under one of the following activites
-cooking
-cleaning
-looking after children
-looking after old people

This is a "women's network" in a major multinational.

You don't have to be a jihadist to be a sexist ahole. Which of these activities would have been suggested if the audience was mostly male?

heppers75

3,135 posts

216 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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I mean even the charitable and moderate followers don't have misogynistic attitudes...

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Lord-Mayor-Counc...

If the followers that are doing laudable works and being massively charitable can be this backward... well what can you say!

andymc

7,334 posts

206 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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fesuvious said:
Indeed, the word of Mohammed is indeed considered worthy of devotion.

Have we had the 'no such thing as rape in marriage' bit yet?
apparently he took pleasure in watching her play with her dolls, nothing creepy in the slightest

andymc

7,334 posts

206 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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heppers75 said:
I mean even the charitable and moderate followers don't have misogynistic attitudes...

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Lord-Mayor-Counc...

If the followers that are doing laudable works and being massively charitable can be this backward... well what can you say!
There is no place for their belief system in a modern Western society

BooHoo

165 posts

115 months

Sunday 7th December 2014
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andymc said:
There is no place for their belief system in a modern Western society
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TwigtheWonderkid

43,248 posts

149 months

Monday 8th December 2014
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mybrainhurts said:
grumbledoak said:
Can Rabbis marry? That would complete the Abrahamic set, as it were.
HA..thought you said rabbits. Carry on.
Don't know about rabbits, but goats marry. Well, not marry, but are monogamous. They stay together for the sake of the kids.

maxxy5

771 posts

163 months

Monday 8th December 2014
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A French guy who has made a few films about suicide bombers came to a similar conclusion:

http://www.islamdaily.org/en/islam/3940.the-psycho...

"Young Muslim men live in sheer frustration, with no opportunity to experience sex, love, tenderness; where separation of the sexes is absolute. So is contempt of women, who are totally dominated by men. This leads to a pure anxiety, in which normal behavior is not possible. Suicide killers are mostly young men dominated by an overwhelming libido that they not only cannot satisfy but are afraid of, as if it is the work of the devil. Since Islam promises 72 virgins to those frustrated kids, killing others and themselves to reach this redemption in heaven becomes their only solution."

edit: The rest of the interview is maybe a little extreme...

Edited by maxxy5 on Monday 8th December 11:43