CIA lied over brutal interrogations

[pork911]

Baryonyx said:

I'm happy for the US to do what it takes to properly interrogate terrorists. This is hardly newsworthy.

and if they decide to interrogate you?

[Jasandjules]

pork911 said:

and if they decide to interrogate you?

Or your wife? OR your son? How do we know they are NOT terrorists? Best thing to do is to torture them to find out right?

[KareemK]

Jimbeaux said:

KareemK said:

irocfan said:

Jimbeaux said:

KareemK said:

HD Adam said:

It's exactly an either /or situation.

Sure, we'd all like to sit around in fluffy kitten land singing "Kumbaya" and holding hands but that's not very realistic.

Go on, make a choice. UK or Tribal Hills of Afghanistan/Pakistan right this second.

What a load of tosh.

You won't answer him, will you?

of course he won't screams and shouts and stamps his feet and doesn't come up with a solution to anything, great politician material TBH

Ah good, the wordsmith has arrived, this thread'll really take off now.

At least you finally gave a straight answer back on the Ferguson thread, be decisive here too, shock me.

The wheels have finally come off JB, it's the post above

[heppers75]

Jimbeaux said:

heppers75 said:

jshell said:

irocfan said:

9/11 was the result of a bunch of psychos gaining control of some aircraft and then murdering thousands - US foreign policy was just a convenient excuse

Do you really believe that they just acted without some 'in their own heads' justification? The West has been poking fingers into the middle East for many years and as a consequence they absolutely hate us. It's not so long ago that the US and UK were considering arming ISIS, FFS!

9/11 was an obvious, and stated revenge attack for some of the stuff Western nations have been doing.

US foreign policy, together with other Western nations' foreign policy was exactly the cause and motivation for 9/11.

For the hard of thinking, that doesn't mean it was justified, but a bit of historical accuracy is important when discussing the subject!

It was an attack on a way of life the opposing side do not agree with, fundamentally, it was an attack on an entire civilisation and their ethos because they do not believe in the same sky fairy and what that sky fairy and his mouthpiece said.. If you think it was was anything other than that at a very base and fundamental level - you are a moron!

There you have it. This is the part that many simply cannot seem to grasp.

It is a point often both missed and bypassed!

[Jimbeaux]

KareemK said:

HD Adam said:

KareemK said:

irocfan said:

Jimbeaux said:

KareemK said:

HD Adam said:

It's exactly an either /or situation.

Sure, we'd all like to sit around in fluffy kitten land singing "Kumbaya" and holding hands but that's not very realistic.

Go on, make a choice. UK or Tribal Hills of Afghanistan/Pakistan right this second.

What a load of tosh.

You won't answer him, will you?

of course he won't screams and shouts and stamps his feet and doesn't come up with a solution to anything, great politician material TBH

Ah good, the wordsmith has arrived, this thread'll really take off now.

Have you chosen yet?

For the hard of thinking I'll restate.

A better UK.

There are no circumstances where the only option is keeping the poor status quo or opting for worse. Your question was ridiculous.

Stop being a drama queen! there is no "better U.K.", there is the one that exist here and now. The question the poster put to you was do you want to live in the UK that is in the real world now or some other place? You did not answer that.

[pork911]

el stovey said:

pork911 said:

he spoke to you in english?

No he published it in an open letter.

in english and you collected it from him?

[rich1231]

I want to be on the winning team.

[wolves_wanderer]

Jasandjules said:

pork911 said:

and if they decide to interrogate you?

Or your wife? OR your son? How do we know they are NOT terrorists? Best thing to do is to torture them to find out right?

...and how do we know if she is a witch...

[Jimbeaux]

KareemK said:

Jimbeaux said:

KareemK said:

irocfan said:

Jimbeaux said:

KareemK said:

HD Adam said:

It's exactly an either /or situation.

Sure, we'd all like to sit around in fluffy kitten land singing "Kumbaya" and holding hands but that's not very realistic.

Go on, make a choice. UK or Tribal Hills of Afghanistan/Pakistan right this second.

What a load of tosh.

You won't answer him, will you?

of course he won't screams and shouts and stamps his feet and doesn't come up with a solution to anything, great politician material TBH

Ah good, the wordsmith has arrived, this thread'll really take off now.

At least you finally gave a straight answer back on the Ferguson thread, be decisive here too, shock me.

The wheels have finally come off JB, it's the post above

The one about you chose to live in a "better U.K.". That is no answer Junior, he asked about the one that really exists. Clever does not begin with a K.

[HoHoHo]

BooHoo said:

pork911 said:

repetition won't make you less thick

it's clear as day in the thread

Could you not just say what you mean and stop throwing insults around?

I think we have to accept he's incapable otherwise he would which is a shame.

[Jasandjules]

wolves_wanderer said:

...and how do we know if she is a witch...

A good point. First



THEN, if she lives, she must be a witch. Then they can get on with the torture.

[BooHoo]

pork911 said:

el stovey said:

pork911 said:

he spoke to you in english?

No he published it in an open letter.

in english and you collected it from him?

Comedy gold.

[HoHoHo]

BooHoo said:

pork911 said:

el stovey said:

pork911 said:

he spoke to you in english?

No he published it in an open letter.

in english and you collected it from him?

Comedy gold.

[jshell]

heppers75 said:

jshell said:

irocfan said:

9/11 was the result of a bunch of psychos gaining control of some aircraft and then murdering thousands - US foreign policy was just a convenient excuse

Do you really believe that they just acted without some 'in their own heads' justification? The West has been poking fingers into the middle East for many years and as a consequence they absolutely hate us. It's not so long ago that the US and UK were considering arming ISIS, FFS!

9/11 was an obvious, and stated revenge attack for some of the stuff Western nations have been doing.

US foreign policy, together with other Western nations' foreign policy was exactly the cause and motivation for 9/11.

For the hard of thinking, that doesn't mean it was justified, but a bit of historical accuracy is important when discussing the subject!

It was an attack on a way of life the opposing side do not agree with, fundamentally, it was an attack on an entire civilisation and their ethos because they do not believe in the same sky fairy and what that sky fairy and his mouthpiece said.. If you think it was was anything other than that at a very base and fundamental level - you are a moron!

You need to educate yourself a little. If you think it was just a religious disagreement then you have a very simple view of life and history. Have a wee read at this: http://factsanddetails.com/world/cat58/sub386/item... you may learn a little about Bin Laden and start to understand his motives, rather than just the fantasy that it was a virtual sky-fairy disagreement!

Just another example of our (well, US) meddling in the middle East: The Iran Contra affair which in effect turned Saddam Hussain against the West, to which he'd previously been a 'friend'. He finds out that during the Iran/Iraq war that the US was supplying him with arms and also that the US was funding arms for his enemy, Iran. So, we have the US funding both sides of the same war! No wonder they hate us. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/spec...

Again, I present the above not as justification for the atrocities, but as an attempt to understand them outside of the simplistic garbage spouted here in this thread.

[Bill]

Jimbeaux said:

The Dems should have displayed the same "moral highground" regarding Benghazi; the IRS scandal; AP reporters being spied on by the White House; the Fast & Furious scandal; the V.A. scandal; the Obamacare mistruths. Those were all very big news items here (maybe not there). These issues effected all Americans. The Dems only worked to cover them up to protect the administration, especially as elections were coming up. If they had not gotten swept in the elections, you would not have heard of this.

Interesting. I hadn't heard of a few of those but a quick read around doesn't suggest much in the way of a cover up. I will admit that this might well not have seen the light of day had it not started on the Dems watch.

So, politics aside, do you think the report is wrong and that the torture was useful? The report suggests otherwise and they have all the information to hand. They say the CIA lied to Congress, pulling the wool over the eyes of Dems as well as Republicans so while the situation was put in place by Bush the Republicans aren't responsible for the excesses.

[pork911]

HoHoHo said:

Wow, we waterboarded and humiliated them......
How awful for them
Perhaps we should have stuck electric probes to their testicles and once they gave information we needed turned the power up and offered them to IMCGMOOH contestants.
They are animals and they deserve no respect whatsoever.

HoHoHo said:

pork911 said:

HoHoHo said:

They are animals and they deserve no respect whatsoever.

let's hope you are never the subject of rendition

I hope so too because they are utter, utter animals and don't play by normal rules.

HoHoHo said:

I've asked a question, are you capable of answering it?
In law, rendition is a "surrender" or "handing over" of persons or property, particularly from one jurisdiction to another.
I'm hoping I'm not handed over to ICIS
And you?

[HD Adam]

Jimbeaux said:

KareemK said:

HD Adam said:

KareemK said:

irocfan said:

Jimbeaux said:

KareemK said:

HD Adam said:

It's exactly an either /or situation.

Sure, we'd all like to sit around in fluffy kitten land singing "Kumbaya" and holding hands but that's not very realistic.

Go on, make a choice. UK or Tribal Hills of Afghanistan/Pakistan right this second.

What a load of tosh.

You won't answer him, will you?

of course he won't screams and shouts and stamps his feet and doesn't come up with a solution to anything, great politician material TBH

Ah good, the wordsmith has arrived, this thread'll really take off now.

Have you chosen yet?

For the hard of thinking I'll restate.

A better UK.

There are no circumstances where the only option is keeping the poor status quo or opting for worse. Your question was ridiculous.

Stop being a drama queen! there is no "better U.K.", there is the one that exist here and now. The question the poster put to you was do you want to live in the UK that is in the real world now or some other place? You did not answer that.

Jimbeaux, we all know he can't answer.

I've deliberately asked him a fixed question like "So, when did you stop beating your wife?" which is unfair in this context.

Of course, we'd all like to live in a better UK or USA but the realists on here know the answer to that.

If you really feel strongly about this Kareem, join Amnesty International or even become a politician and change it from the inside.

If you don't want to do this, STFU and keep letting other people take the decisions you can't stomach. Or show your disgust by leaving for somewhere better.

[jshell]

Jimbeaux said:

There you have it. This is the part that many simply cannot seem to grasp.

Seriously? They just woke up one day, chanted 'death to America' and hijacked some planes? Don't be stupid, it does you a disservice. Even Clooney's film Syriana mapped out the reasons and motivations for disenfrachised people becoming radicalised.

[Countdown]

Am I misreading something or is HoHoHo equating the behaviour of ISIS with the behaviour of the CIA?

[heppers75]

jshell said:

heppers75 said:

jshell said:

irocfan said:

9/11 was the result of a bunch of psychos gaining control of some aircraft and then murdering thousands - US foreign policy was just a convenient excuse

Do you really believe that they just acted without some 'in their own heads' justification? The West has been poking fingers into the middle East for many years and as a consequence they absolutely hate us. It's not so long ago that the US and UK were considering arming ISIS, FFS!

9/11 was an obvious, and stated revenge attack for some of the stuff Western nations have been doing.

US foreign policy, together with other Western nations' foreign policy was exactly the cause and motivation for 9/11.

For the hard of thinking, that doesn't mean it was justified, but a bit of historical accuracy is important when discussing the subject!

It was an attack on a way of life the opposing side do not agree with, fundamentally, it was an attack on an entire civilisation and their ethos because they do not believe in the same sky fairy and what that sky fairy and his mouthpiece said.. If you think it was was anything other than that at a very base and fundamental level - you are a moron!

You need to educate yourself a little. If you think it was just a religious disagreement then you have a very simple view of life and history. Have a wee read at this: http://factsanddetails.com/world/cat58/sub386/item... you may learn a little about Bin Laden and start to understand his motives, rather than just the fantasy that it was a virtual sky-fairy disagreement!

Just another example of our (well, US) meddling in the middle East: The Iran Contra affair which in effect turned Saddam Hussain against the West, to which he'd previously been a 'friend'. He finds out that during the Iran/Iraq war that the US was supplying him with arms and also that the US was funding arms for his enemy, Iran. So, we have the US funding both sides of the same war! No wonder they hate us. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/spec...

Again, I present the above not as justification for the atrocities, but as an attempt to understand them outside of the simplistic garbage spouted here in this thread.

If you really think that 9/11 ... 7/7 and who knows how many other atrocities are not about sky fairies and fundamental beliefs, irrespective of how much of a perversion of the moderate views of them they are - then honestly you are probably a bit of a barn pot... Or trying to divert away from it because it is your chosen sky fairy... Either way... bless!