CIA lied over brutal interrogations

[jshell]

irocfan said:

9/11 was the result of a bunch of psychos gaining control of some aircraft and then murdering thousands - US foreign policy was just a convenient excuse

Do you really believe that they just acted without some 'in their own heads' justification? The West has been poking fingers into the middle East for many years and as a consequence they absolutely hate us. It's not so long ago that the US and UK were considering arming ISIS, FFS!

9/11 was an obvious, and stated revenge attack for some of the stuff Western nations have been doing.

US foreign policy, together with other Western nations' foreign policy was exactly the cause and motivation for 9/11.

For the hard of thinking, that doesn't mean it was justified, but a bit of historical accuracy is important when discussing the subject!

[BooHoo]

pork911 said:

take a read back, even to you it must be clear

Why don't you just explain what you mean? or can't you?

[Silent1]

Jimbeaux said:

They do nasty work in what is a nasty worldwide game; you seem to think it is something different. On your other point, Jose' Rodrigues claims it did produce useful information.

That it may be but if so why do we sign up the conventions against torture etc? If it works then why did the cia refuse to pass intelligence onto the fbi and refuse to let them sit in on interrogations?
Sorry but if we're supposed to lead the world in democracy, secret prisons where we torture people and hide them from the icrc really aren't the way to do it.
Jose Rodrigues hasn't really provided anything to back up his claims and if you read the report about the dirty bomb (iirc) the intelligence they gathered was from a detainee saying someone said they wanted to bomb the U.S, no names or identifying info and they admit they were already on alert for it.

[heppers75]

jshell said:

irocfan said:

9/11 was the result of a bunch of psychos gaining control of some aircraft and then murdering thousands - US foreign policy was just a convenient excuse

Do you really believe that they just acted without some 'in their own heads' justification? The West has been poking fingers into the middle East for many years and as a consequence they absolutely hate us. It's not so long ago that the US and UK were considering arming ISIS, FFS!

9/11 was an obvious, and stated revenge attack for some of the stuff Western nations have been doing.

US foreign policy, together with other Western nations' foreign policy was exactly the cause and motivation for 9/11.

For the hard of thinking, that doesn't mean it was justified, but a bit of historical accuracy is important when discussing the subject!

It was an attack on a way of life the opposing side do not agree with, fundamentally, it was an attack on an entire civilisation and their ethos because they do not believe in the same sky fairy and what that sky fairy and his mouthpiece said.. If you think it was was anything other than that at a very base and fundamental level - you are a moron!

[Silent1]

Baryonyx said:

I'm happy for the US to do what it takes to properly interrogate terrorists. This is hardly newsworthy.

What about then innocent people they mistook for terrorists who had forced rectal rehydrations, water boarding and exposure to 45f temperatures for days whilst naked.
Were they just collateral damage?

[Jimbeaux]

Rovinghawk said:

Jimbeaux said:

The WH even said this could bring harm to Americans, they do it anyway.

You are scared of admitting your behaviour in case you have to face consequences?

Jimbeaux said:

we are just the only dumbasses to up and tell everyone.

And maybe your country will stop torturing and killing prisoners now. You claim the moral high ground yet descend to barbarity when it suits you. I hope we in the UK can adhere to higher standards.

I have no behavior to to answer for in regards to this topic. As to your second point, hope all you like, the U.K. does nasty things too...so you can sleep a little safer.

[HoHoHo]

BooHoo said:

pork911 said:

take a read back, even to you it must be clear

Why don't you just explain what you mean? or can't you?

Don't think he's capable to be honest.

[KareemK]

Jimbeaux said:

KareemK said:

HD Adam said:

It's exactly an either /or situation.

Sure, we'd all like to sit around in fluffy kitten land singing "Kumbaya" and holding hands but that's not very realistic.

Go on, make a choice. UK or Tribal Hills of Afghanistan/Pakistan right this second.

What a load of tosh.

You won't answer him, will you?

Can you not read, I already have.

[Jimbeaux]

Silent1 said:

Jimbeaux said:

They do nasty work in what is a nasty worldwide game; you seem to think it is something different. On your other point, Jose' Rodrigues claims it did produce useful information.

That it may be but if so why do we sign up the conventions against torture etc? If it works then why did the cia refuse to pass intelligence onto the fbi and refuse to let them sit in on interrogations?
Sorry but if we're supposed to lead the world in democracy, secret prisons where we torture people and hide them from the icrc really aren't the way to do it.
Jose Rodrigues hasn't really provided anything to back up his claims and if you read the report about the dirty bomb (iirc) the intelligence they gathered was from a detainee saying someone said they wanted to bomb the U.S, no names or identifying info and they admit they were already on alert for it.

The FBI are to us what MI-5 is to you, domestic. Foreign intel issues are not for the FBI. They are asked often to come and consult out of country. They are given intel if a foreign threat is acting within our borders.

[Jimbeaux]

heppers75 said:

jshell said:

irocfan said:

9/11 was the result of a bunch of psychos gaining control of some aircraft and then murdering thousands - US foreign policy was just a convenient excuse

Do you really believe that they just acted without some 'in their own heads' justification? The West has been poking fingers into the middle East for many years and as a consequence they absolutely hate us. It's not so long ago that the US and UK were considering arming ISIS, FFS!

9/11 was an obvious, and stated revenge attack for some of the stuff Western nations have been doing.

US foreign policy, together with other Western nations' foreign policy was exactly the cause and motivation for 9/11.

For the hard of thinking, that doesn't mean it was justified, but a bit of historical accuracy is important when discussing the subject!

It was an attack on a way of life the opposing side do not agree with, fundamentally, it was an attack on an entire civilisation and their ethos because they do not believe in the same sky fairy and what that sky fairy and his mouthpiece said.. If you think it was was anything other than that at a very base and fundamental level - you are a moron!

There you have it. This is the part that many simply cannot seem to grasp.

[KareemK]

irocfan said:

Jimbeaux said:

KareemK said:

HD Adam said:

It's exactly an either /or situation.

Sure, we'd all like to sit around in fluffy kitten land singing "Kumbaya" and holding hands but that's not very realistic.

Go on, make a choice. UK or Tribal Hills of Afghanistan/Pakistan right this second.

What a load of tosh.

You won't answer him, will you?

of course he won't screams and shouts and stamps his feet and doesn't come up with a solution to anything, great politician material TBH

Ah good, the wordsmith has arrived, this thread'll really take off now.

[Jasandjules]

Unfortunately, we are unable to claim the moral high ground with such conduct. However do you not believe that Guantanamo was already an utter disgrace?

[HD Adam]

KareemK said:

irocfan said:

Jimbeaux said:

KareemK said:

HD Adam said:

It's exactly an either /or situation.

Sure, we'd all like to sit around in fluffy kitten land singing "Kumbaya" and holding hands but that's not very realistic.

Go on, make a choice. UK or Tribal Hills of Afghanistan/Pakistan right this second.

What a load of tosh.

You won't answer him, will you?

of course he won't screams and shouts and stamps his feet and doesn't come up with a solution to anything, great politician material TBH

Ah good, the wordsmith has arrived, this thread'll really take off now.

Have you chosen yet?

[Jimbeaux]

Silent1 said:

Baryonyx said:

I'm happy for the US to do what it takes to properly interrogate terrorists. This is hardly newsworthy.

What about then innocent people they mistook for terrorists who had forced rectal rehydrations, water boarding and exposure to 45f temperatures for days whilst naked.
Were they just collateral damage?

And the countless thousands of civilians we all firebombed in Germany? War is a dirty bh and all sorts of people die.

[Jimbeaux]

KareemK said:

Jimbeaux said:

KareemK said:

HD Adam said:

It's exactly an either /or situation.

Sure, we'd all like to sit around in fluffy kitten land singing "Kumbaya" and holding hands but that's not very realistic.

Go on, make a choice. UK or Tribal Hills of Afghanistan/Pakistan right this second.

What a load of tosh.

You won't answer him, will you?

Can you not read, I already have.

I saw you wrote "What a load of tosh"; did I miss your answer?

[wolves_wanderer]

Silent1 said:

Sadly your thoughts about them being selected are wrong, they had cases of mistaken identity, kidnapping a mentally retarded man to pressure his family bt sending audio tapes of him screaming/crying. In other cases they kept them in cupboards in the countries jail as they knew they didn't qualify to keep them, trust me, just read the first 100 pages of the report if you don't want to read it all.
The intelligence gathered saved no lives and stopped no terrorist plots, it was almost all already known and verified.

I'd save your breath. The fact that nasty people are getting tortured for real is enough to excite the inadequates around here. The fact it seems to be entirely pointless and even counterproductive is irrelevant.

[pork911]

BooHoo said:

pork911 said:

take a read back, even to you it must be clear

Why don't you just explain what you mean? or can't you?

repetition won't make you less thick

it's clear as day in the thread

[KareemK]

HD Adam said:

KareemK said:

irocfan said:

Jimbeaux said:

KareemK said:

HD Adam said:

It's exactly an either /or situation.

Sure, we'd all like to sit around in fluffy kitten land singing "Kumbaya" and holding hands but that's not very realistic.

Go on, make a choice. UK or Tribal Hills of Afghanistan/Pakistan right this second.

What a load of tosh.

You won't answer him, will you?

of course he won't screams and shouts and stamps his feet and doesn't come up with a solution to anything, great politician material TBH

Ah good, the wordsmith has arrived, this thread'll really take off now.

Have you chosen yet?

For the hard of thinking I'll restate.

A better UK.

There are no circumstances where the only option is keeping the poor status quo or opting for worse. Your question was ridiculous.

[Jimbeaux]

KareemK said:

irocfan said:

Jimbeaux said:

KareemK said:

HD Adam said:

It's exactly an either /or situation.

Sure, we'd all like to sit around in fluffy kitten land singing "Kumbaya" and holding hands but that's not very realistic.

Go on, make a choice. UK or Tribal Hills of Afghanistan/Pakistan right this second.

What a load of tosh.

You won't answer him, will you?

of course he won't screams and shouts and stamps his feet and doesn't come up with a solution to anything, great politician material TBH

Ah good, the wordsmith has arrived, this thread'll really take off now.

At least you finally gave a straight answer back on the Ferguson thread, be decisive here too, shock me.

[BooHoo]

pork911 said:

repetition won't make you less thick

it's clear as day in the thread

Could you not just say what you mean and stop throwing insults around?