Who is most hated - Thatcher or Blair
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sidicks said:
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The government allocate total spending on the NHS, not individual budgets.
If demand is increasing so quickly that significant budget increases are insufficient to fund the required services that just emphasizes that something needs to be done to manage demand....!!
Your very adept at avoiding questions, are you a politician?!Ruskie said:
You disagree? Waiting times for operations? Waiting times for seeing a GP? Waiting times in A&E?
I just checked on my original statement and it wasn't £10m (I suspect this is my counties figure) but £46m reduction in the budget amongst a 6% rise in demand for my trust. How is that not a cut in frontline services budgets as a result of austerity generally?
Spending is up. Significantly. All the figures show this, so any claims about 'austerity' are nonsense.I just checked on my original statement and it wasn't £10m (I suspect this is my counties figure) but £46m reduction in the budget amongst a 6% rise in demand for my trust. How is that not a cut in frontline services budgets as a result of austerity generally?
The government allocate total spending on the NHS, not individual budgets.
If demand is increasing so quickly that significant budget increases are insufficient to fund the required services that just emphasizes that something needs to be done to manage demand....!!
I shouldn't debate this as it is a very emotive subject for me. I care deeply about my job and the patients I help and that makes it hard to be objective at times. The attitudes towards my profession on here never cease to amaze me. Remember though no one wakes up thinking they are going to need us
What's that saying...
You will miss us when we're gone.
Ruskie said:
Your very adept at avoiding questions, are you a politician?!
I shouldn't debate this as it is a very emotive subject for me. I care deeply about my job and the patients I help and that makes it hard to be objective at times. The attitudes towards my profession on here never cease to amaze me. Remember though no one wakes up thinking they are going to need us
What attitude?I shouldn't debate this as it is a very emotive subject for me. I care deeply about my job and the patients I help and that makes it hard to be objective at times. The attitudes towards my profession on here never cease to amaze me. Remember though no one wakes up thinking they are going to need us
I've simply pointed out that despite your claims to the contrary, spending on the NHS has increased significantly under the Coalition - so much for 'austerity'.
Ruskie said:
What's that saying...
You will miss us when we're gone.
Why would you be gone??You will miss us when we're gone.
Spending on the NHS is increasing...
sidicks said:
Ruskie said:
Your very adept at avoiding questions, are you a politician?!
I shouldn't debate this as it is a very emotive subject for me. I care deeply about my job and the patients I help and that makes it hard to be objective at times. The attitudes towards my profession on here never cease to amaze me. Remember though no one wakes up thinking they are going to need us
What attitude?I shouldn't debate this as it is a very emotive subject for me. I care deeply about my job and the patients I help and that makes it hard to be objective at times. The attitudes towards my profession on here never cease to amaze me. Remember though no one wakes up thinking they are going to need us
I've simply pointed out that despite your claims to the contrary, spending on the NHS has increased significantly under the Coalition - so much for 'austerity'.
Ruskie said:
What's that saying...
You will miss us when we're gone.
Why would you be gone??You will miss us when we're gone.
Spending on the NHS is increasing...
Patient transport services are being tendered for by firms like Arriva. Upon till a while ago private ambulances firms were being used to shore up the front line. That was until an investigation into one of the companies revealed they weren't even doing CRB checks on staff encountering patients.
Ruskie said:
No increase in spending by definition is a decrease or a cut.
Nonsense.Do you now what the term 'real' in this context means? It means inflation adjusted. Sidicks has posted the nominal numbers showing an increase in spending of 16bn a year over this parliament! You have produced a quote of someone saying there has been no increase in real terms, ie no increase after inflation. The figures are pretty simple. Nominal spending on the NHS has increased 16bn over 5 years which is more or less a 2.7% increase every year. Between 2010 and 2014 CPI started out around 3% peaked around 5% and is now around 1% and change. Without doing any maths its pretty obvious spending on the NHS has increased in nominal terms and is roughly unchanged after inflation. You're both right but 'no increase in real terms' does not mean cuts, decreases or austerity contrary to your bizarre 'definition'.
You are completely wrong on blaming the cuts in your department on 'austerity'. Whilst I'm sure this is how cuts have been sold to you by someone, its obviously complete b
ks. Any cuts you are seeing are despite an overall increase in NHS spending! Granted, its easier to blame 'austerity' than do 5 minutes research.fblm said:
Nonsense.
It's not about facts. It's an article of faith that they're hard done by. They all know it, they all tell each other how hard done by they are, therefore it's true regardless of any facts to the contrary.How can you possibly be right when all you have is facts and figures against emotion & absolute conviction?
Ruskie said:
Not your attitude but people in general I have encountered.
Patient transport services are being tendered for by firms like Arriva. Upon till a while ago private ambulances firms were being used to shore up the front line. That was until an investigation into one of the companies revealed they weren't even doing CRB checks on staff encountering patients.
What is wrong with a private company being used to allow for peaks and troughs in demand, Patient transport services are being tendered for by firms like Arriva. Upon till a while ago private ambulances firms were being used to shore up the front line. That was until an investigation into one of the companies revealed they weren't even doing CRB checks on staff encountering patients.
The issue that the company is not always using CRB checked staff is not correct but is that the responsibility of the organisation that runs the country or someone more focused and local, like the procurement department.
Rovinghawk said:
fblm said:
Nonsense.
It's not about facts. It's an article of faith that they're hard done by. They all know it, they all tell each other how hard done by they are, therefore it's true regardless of any facts to the contrary.How can you possibly be right when all you have is facts and figures against emotion & absolute conviction?
gruffalo said:
Ruskie said:
Not your attitude but people in general I have encountered.
Patient transport services are being tendered for by firms like Arriva. Upon till a while ago private ambulances firms were being used to shore up the front line. That was until an investigation into one of the companies revealed they weren't even doing CRB checks on staff encountering patients.
What is wrong with a private company being used to allow for peaks and troughs in demand, Patient transport services are being tendered for by firms like Arriva. Upon till a while ago private ambulances firms were being used to shore up the front line. That was until an investigation into one of the companies revealed they weren't even doing CRB checks on staff encountering patients.
The issue that the company is not always using CRB checked staff is not correct but is that the responsibility of the organisation that runs the country or someone more focused and local, like the procurement department.
Private firm takes over. Misses 6 key targets but gets £400,000 bonus anyway out of the public purse.
Ruskie said:
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/ambula...
Private firm takes over. Misses 6 key targets but gets £400,000 bonus anyway out of the public purse.
That's mismanagement & poor contractual arrangements.Private firm takes over. Misses 6 key targets but gets £400,000 bonus anyway out of the public purse.
Where's the austerity and financial cuts you claim?
Ruskie said:
sidicks said:
Ruskie said:
It's a government document!
Indeed. As I understand it, this is a government document that shows NHS budgets scheduled to increase in real terms every year under the Coalition. And the table you refer to shows just one year 2010-2011 where the outcome was not an increased expenditure in real terms (but still was an increase in nominal terms. Other years showed an increase in real terms.If you think thst supports your claims of 'massive cuts and austerity', then that says a lot!!
Not to mention an increase in demand each year that has to be paid for. Read this article and tell me cute aren't having an affect?
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/oct/05/nhs...
In the last 8 years, I have had two pay increases. One was for 1% and the other 1.5%. This might seem horrific to someone in the public sector, but to those in the private sector, it's completely normal.
That's 8 years in which food prices, petrol prices and just about all other prices have gone up by more than that every year, so whilst I have had an increase in two years, and at least unlike many I haven't suffered any absolute reductions, in real terms, I've suffered a drop in my spending power of around 25% over that time.
So... You don't want to see any real term cuts to NHS funding, but your funding source (the taxpayer) has been suffering real term cuts year in, year out! Should the government up my taxes to bite even further into my already reduced disposable income? How long do you think that will be sustainable for?
Or is it maybe time that you started thinking "we really can't actually afford to spend all this money"?
cut and paste from 05 smellygraph
In a submission yesterday ahead of this month's Budget, the Institute of Directors forecast that by 2006 the Labour Government will have created an additional 650,000 public sector jobs.
If current growth rates are maintained, by the end of the decade public sector employment, excluding nationalised industries, will be back above the level of 1979 when Margaret Thatcher came to power committed to cutting down the size of the state.
In a submission yesterday ahead of this month's Budget, the Institute of Directors forecast that by 2006 the Labour Government will have created an additional 650,000 public sector jobs.
If current growth rates are maintained, by the end of the decade public sector employment, excluding nationalised industries, will be back above the level of 1979 when Margaret Thatcher came to power committed to cutting down the size of the state.
Rovinghawk said:
Ruskie said:
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/ambula...
Private firm takes over. Misses 6 key targets but gets £400,000 bonus anyway out of the public purse.
That's mismanagement & poor contractual arrangements.Private firm takes over. Misses 6 key targets but gets £400,000 bonus anyway out of the public purse.
Where's the austerity and financial cuts you claim?
Ruskie said:
Rovinghawk said:
Ruskie said:
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/ambula...
Private firm takes over. Misses 6 key targets but gets £400,000 bonus anyway out of the public purse.
That's mismanagement & poor contractual arrangements.Private firm takes over. Misses 6 key targets but gets £400,000 bonus anyway out of the public purse.
Where's the austerity and financial cuts you claim?
Perfection was never claimed, it doesn't exist.
There will be others but the overall view needs to be taken not a convenient snapshot.
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crankedup said:
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crankedup said:
s2art said:
crankedup said:
Having agreed that Union representation can work in industry we can only conclude that weak Governments lack of sensible regulations, pertaining to Unions, led to the ultimate industrial troubles of the 1970s. Or put another way sat back for too long. Pity, a great pity for our Country.
When you look at the effort Labour, and the Heath governments, put in from the late 60's to the late 70's to try and curtail the worst of the Union excesses I am afraid you are wrong. It took a Thatcher to confront them head on and win. There was no alternative. I am not suggesting that the 1970s 'lets go on strike' mentality was right and proper, not good for the Country. I am saying Governments must hold a share of responsibility for letting the power of Unions grow to the extent of Unions ruling bosses.
sidicks said:
crankedup said:
Nonsense is it sidkips. Your asking me if 'i'm still spouting this nonsense' like I said its not nonsense to many people in the High St.
Indeed, many people have been brainwashed. But the evidence supports the fact that it was a combination of governments, banks and individuals that caused the econmic crash, despite what you or others would suggest.
crankedup said:
We know how the three main culprits were all involved.
So it's just an accident that you only ever focus on one of those culprits?!crankedup said:
But its the bankers who bear the brunt of the blame for the crisis and continuance of disclosures of serious malpractice and criminality
That's your opinion which you are entitled to - plenty of people (including those with much more experience) would suggest otherwise.crankedup said:
confirms public opinion is spot on, the financial industry has been utterly corrupt and its contempt for its customers exposed. You can wriggle all you like and post sill excuses, facts remain.
Given the number of people involved in criminal cases compared to those working in the banking sector, it would be much more accurate to say that parts of the financial sector were clearly corrupt.However, I'd also say that as a proportion, the amount of fraud amongst politicians would be much higher than for the finance sector, as an obvious example.
You might well be able to say the same about criminal activities in many other professions!
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